Yep. Sypha's eleven, Artemis is seventeen.
Fire Emblem: Last of the Manakete
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Yep. Sypha's eleven, Artemis is seventeen.
Ryumancer
Dragons Are Romance
I feel as though there's a third option you may be overlooking: Internal strife. We've gotten a bit more than hints that a war or similar was going on, Manakete vs Manakete, after all, but we really still don't know why or have actual context for it.
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Trueeee 'nuf! Yeah you're right, it's FE so good odds a dragon is at the root of the problem somewhere...
Yeah I was like 90% sure this was the case but I'm running off very little sleep and I've been working for like 13 hrs on top of a 1 hr commute either way. Can't think rn lol
Anyway that explains Sypha's earnestness lol, I didn't realize she was so young. I really do appreciate the dynamic it creates though...
Most importantly this quest was such a delight to come back to after exhaustion so thank you so much!
Just as a note on the the idea of turning Ryza's old home into a Manakete resurgence fief; it's worth considering the opinions of Manakete that actually survived what humans got up to here. If they still exist I'd be somewhat surprised if they were willing to openly declare their existence and become citizens of a territory that directly answered to human nobility.
Ryza, a well adjusted child with no personal experience with what happened almost flew off the handle just hearing about some of what's going on. The potential bad blood actual survivors of it might have goes a long way to explain those dragon myths.
How many times do you need to find someone screwing with your family's corpses before you flip your lid and burn down the place where they took them? Once the dragon is loose, how much further do you need to get pushed to go after people for being nearby and benefiting from it? I'm guessing not many and not much.
The dragon book also brings up another complication; apparently Manakete need a lot of self awareness and emotional control to healthily engage with their dragon and avoid incidents.
Whatever their apocalypse was, creating orphan Manakete with little to no knowledge or culture to fall back on for handling those issues sounds like something that basically sets up dragon sized time bombs that can go off any time in the next millennium.
Not that it means anything to us right now, but it's worth considering when making long term plans that involve trying to find survivors.
Ryza, a well adjusted child with no personal experience with what happened almost flew off the handle just hearing about some of what's going on. The potential bad blood actual survivors of it might have goes a long way to explain those dragon myths.
How many times do you need to find someone screwing with your family's corpses before you flip your lid and burn down the place where they took them? Once the dragon is loose, how much further do you need to get pushed to go after people for being nearby and benefiting from it? I'm guessing not many and not much.
The dragon book also brings up another complication; apparently Manakete need a lot of self awareness and emotional control to healthily engage with their dragon and avoid incidents.
Whatever their apocalypse was, creating orphan Manakete with little to no knowledge or culture to fall back on for handling those issues sounds like something that basically sets up dragon sized time bombs that can go off any time in the next millennium.
Not that it means anything to us right now, but it's worth considering when making long term plans that involve trying to find survivors.
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Good point. Then again if we are the last Manakete, then we can't bring them back. So yeah, first we need to find more living Manaketes, then we can go and start making long-term plans from there.
Yeah. I was just bringing it up because I saw st least one post about it recently, and whether we need to be a knight or not to do it.
If that's coming up as an argument, I think it's worth evaluating it from the side of other hypothetical Manakete rather than simply considering human politics.
[X] You'll follow through on Artemis's suggestion. You love magic, and you like to think you're good at it. Besides, you'd been planning on talking to Mistress Flarestone anyways. If you can become friends with her and the other Revisionists, they could probably help you get to the Marble Hall and get accredited, which would give you legitimacy in the world. You might even get to meet Apollo, and you think Artemis would like that. It'll all just take a while.
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"Heteronornative" doesn't mean "not LGBTQIA+". It's a worldview that treats the non-LGBTQIA+ as normal, default, expected. Whatever your personal identity, you were making heteronormative arguments. You were doing heteronormativity, you were being aphobic, and you're bitching now that someone's calling it out.
Re: Deciding whether S-rank means marriage: I don't see why it has to be complicated. There are two simple solutions I can see:
- Implement some kind of basic dialogue choices into the support conversations, like in Persona games.
- I'm imagining dialogue choices that influences how the support cutscene plays out, maybe changes a few lines of dialogue in later supports, and perhaps changes the mechanics of the support. Like, if two characters get in trouble and decide to stay and fight, they boost each others' Defense extra, but if they run for it they boost Speed instead. Or something that takes longer than five seconds to think of.
- And of course, in the S-rank support conversation, there's a decision over whether they get married or not.
- People marry their first qualified S-rank relationship. Kinda like how in FEA, Chrom marries whatever woman he has the most support with at the timeskip (with some caveats, like tie-breakers and 'not Lissa').
...I don't have anything relevant to add to the Quest-relevant conversations, but I'm glad people are having them!
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The 1st one is kinda too much for my pea brain to understand lol. Like, wtf does "If they run = +Speed" mean? I don't know if I'm just stupid or if that is a different set of mechanics entirely cause you can't really "run away" in FE. You just "reposition". I believe that sort of system would just work better for a action game than a strategic one.
And for 2, giving everyone Avatar supports doesn't seem like a bad idea, but it opens up the idea of some really weird marriages, which isn't a bad thing at all, just really different.
Personally, I'm happy with the system we have atm. Having a character with multiple S supports I feel would change what it meant, due to the fact that the role you want it to fulfill was quite literally the A support before FE decided to let players pair characters. That's how I feel about it anyway.
What I've taken from this discussion is that dating sims were a mistake, and FE should have stuck to absurd mook death tolls and silly outfits. 
Barondoctor
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And that if you're going to do the children mechanic you need to commit to it by killing the parent generation and waiting.What I've taken from this discussion is that dating sims were a mistake, and FE should have stuck to absurd mook death tolls and silly outfits.
I suppose by that standard Ryza is the Generation 2 Protagonist for Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Dragon War. It's just instead of 20 years between G1 and G2 it's 1000.
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I want to know who the gen 1 protag was
Probably her father since Ryza is a daddy's girl. From the hypothetical game writer perspective it makes the whole thing more heart rending for the player.
Not that it wouldn't be otherwise, but it's easier to manage if you establish the relationships like that.
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Ah, then I assume the skull is Ryza's mom. That's unfortunate.
BritishGrenadier
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[X] You'll follow through on Artemis's suggestion. You love magic, and you like to think you're good at it. Besides, you'd been planning on talking to Mistress Flarestone anyways. If you can become friends with her and the other Revisionists, they could probably help you get to the Marble Hall and get accredited, which would give you legitimacy in the world. You might even get to meet Apollo, and you think Artemis would like that. It'll all just take a while.
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[X] You will take Archduke Letoro up on his offer, despite Artemis's reservations. A deer in the claw is worth three in the forest, after all, and it will give you a place in the world. It will be a challenge, having to adjust to what human society seems to expect, but you trust Artemis to ensure that you're treated fairly. Hopefully you'll be able to keep the fighting part of your role to a minimum, or at least point it at deserving targets.
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I feel like I did a bad job of communicating the ideas.
Idea 1 is just adding basic dialogue choices to support conversations. Like, in Alice and Bob's support conversation, Alice and Bob could try to steal candy from Charlotte and get in trouble. The player could choose to have them either run away from Charlotte or fight and defend their stolen candy. This changes how the scene plays out, and possibly also the stat bonuses Alice and Bob get from their support.
Idea 2 isn't about enabling extra Avatar supports. I'm not sure what you think I said or how it's different from what recent FE games have been doing. What I meant was that characters would marry the first eligible character they got an S-rank support with, but not characters that they are ineligible to marry or ones they reach S-rank with after marrying.
What it means right now is "marriage is more important than all other relationships". Changing that meaning is the point.
I don't think we know enough generation 1 characters to make that judgement. But I do agree that Ryza's dad seems likelier than her mom; Ryza's mom gives off more Ogma vibes than Lord vibes.
[X] You'll follow through on Artemis's suggestion. You love magic, and you like to think you're good at it. Besides, you'd been planning on talking to Mistress Flarestone anyways. If you can become friends with her and the other Revisionists, they could probably help you get to the Marble Hall and get accredited, which would give you legitimacy in the world. You might even get to meet Apollo, and you think Artemis would like that. It'll all just take a while.
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[X] You'll follow through on Artemis's suggestion. You love magic, and you like to think you're good at it. Besides, you'd been planning on talking to Mistress Flarestone anyways. If you can become friends with her and the other Revisionists, they could probably help you get to the Marble Hall and get accredited, which would give you legitimacy in the world. You might even get to meet Apollo, and you think Artemis would like that. It'll all just take a while.
Almost forgot to actually vote this time.
Almost forgot to actually vote this time.
[x] You'll follow through on Artemis's suggestion. You love magic, and you like to think you're good at it. Besides, you'd been planning on talking to Mistress Flarestone anyways. If you can become friends with her and the other Revisionists, they could probably help you get to the Marble Hall and get accredited, which would give you legitimacy in the world. You might even get to meet Apollo, and you think Artemis would like that. It'll all just take a while.
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[X] You'll follow through on Artemis's suggestion. You love magic, and you like to think you're good at it. Besides, you'd been planning on talking to Mistress Flarestone anyways. If you can become friends with her and the other Revisionists, they could probably help you get to the Marble Hall and get accredited, which would give you legitimacy in the world. You might even get to meet Apollo, and you think Artemis would like that. It'll all just take a while.
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Pretty decisive win for the Path of the Mage, and since you've already voted for learning Light Magic it'll be a good segway.
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It would probably be more "Yer a wizard, Ryza?!" ;P
Miho Chan
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I'm a Wizard after Thousands of Years of Being Asleep so I can Potentially Avoid Losing my Ancestral Home!?