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Hmm...
I'll have to think a bit. I might switch my West + CK combo to Lunar + Sidereal. Definitely keeping Lord Strategos though. If I have to accept Ody being a member of Exalted society he damn well better be on top.
I'll have to think a bit. I might switch my West + CK combo to Lunar + Sidereal. Definitely keeping Lord Strategos though. If I have to accept Ody being a member of Exalted society he damn well better be on top.
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Except that the XP bonus is such a large part of its benefits that choosing it becomes basically pointless the moment people decide to take enough other options that lowering Heartlessness becomes necessary, which it very easily might, choosing Lord Strategos ensures Odyssial has to spend even more time and effort fending off jealous assholes if its combined with other non-personal options, which most people choosing it are doing, and having access to the Sword of Creation didn't actually stop people from killing Odyssial during the Ursupation (though he probably used it to cause even more collateral damage), does jack shit for Ulyssian until he has the resources to take control of it and paints a big enough target on Ulyssian's back that he'll likely become center of even more Sidereal and Ebon Dragon plots than he'd be anyways.
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1. If we have enough base XP then we would still be gaining net XP even with buying off Heartlessness, and since we probably aren't going to try and buy off all of Ody's Heartlessness we'll likely be keeping at least one 20% in full.
2. We don't have to spend time fending off rivals, especially at Greatness 10.
3. Why would Odyssial cause collateral damage for no reason? He may have flaws, but so far as we know being a collosal dick isn't one of them. He's explicitly planning towards the future with his whole reincarnation plan. His chances of reincarnation are reduced if the chances of all reincarnation is reduced because the workd is broken.
4. Honestly, I don't think that any of Ody's enemies have enough resources that they have some that they could hold back against Uly but not hold back against Uly who may one day hold the Sword.
5. In relation to Ody's enemies surviving to the Second Age:
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Yes, people will inevitably seek to undermine us. Such is the nature of power; possessed by one, it is desired by others. There will be those that envy us regardless; the acquisition of additional glory just provokes them to overt action. Yet the problem is also somewhat self-resolving; Odyssial passively crushes his enemies, no need to spend additional actions on it in the future, and the higher our Greatness, the more absolute their ruin is.
This in turn discourages those who would follow in their footsteps, further uniting the Exalted Host behind the Lord Strategos and synergizing nicely with the boost to Greatness that the LS provides. And yes, having the Sword means Odyssial still loses in the end, but all of the options have that in common. No matter what we do, the Usurpation succeeds; all we can do is build the greatest possible legacy. Having chosen the path of the invincible general, are we now to discard it trivially?
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If people didn't want to play politics and be a leader there were two quite good and personal power boosting options they could have chosen. I wonder why they didn't?
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We literally have WoG that jealous assholes won't pose a noticable obstacle. And if we plan to buy down Heartlessness the XP bonus would be crucial.
Why, it's almost as if their arguments about wanting to lead others and become a great commander were disingenuous, a mere mask for base sentimentality and a desire to weaken the First Age's greatest luminary out of some puerile desire for socialization!
It seems like we get bonus XP multiplier for each point of Heartless might rather than just Heartlessness as well so the final multiplier is likely to be absolutely fantastic. This means picking Lord Strategos and taking bonus options and then later buying down the Heartlessness seems to be a completely viable strategy (appropriate for the lord of strategies) although only up to a limit considering that if we buy off too much heartlessness we'll be losing more XP then we gain eventually since we pay off heartlessness before applying the multiplier after all.
The fact that taking Lord Strategos as bonus option is synergistic with taking itself as a bonus option means it's a fantastic choice and can picked up along with Protector of the West if that's your what you desire.
This, basically. It supports taking bonus options and making the most of the opportunity afforded us here to chart the course of the First Age. Seriously, how many Exalted games have ever allowed such a thing?
Also, it specifically notes the episode of the Odyssian Horse, and how in the bloody hell can you have a Ulysses expy without the Trojan Horse? It's just not right. Between this, all the other myriad synergistic benefits, and the fact that the Primordials fear us personally... I don't know how anyone can pass this up.
Yeah. We know that buying down Heartlessness costs at least 100k, but we should be getting at least 140k from each Heartless Might point. The only reason I'm not trying to buy everything is that Rihaku hasn't yet clarified whether you can buy Heartlessness down as soon as it increases because of Heartless Might.
I don't particularly want to buy Heartlessness down, honestly. We should only throw away experience to cripple ourselves if we're in serious danger of hitting eleven, which I think is universally agreed by everyone to be bad news bears. Other than that? We're a First Age Solar. The greatest, most ruthless, and most determined of the Exalted host. That is the concept from which Odyssial sprung, and I'll be damned if I don't see him live up to it.
That is an interesting point. And Lytek was the result of G9H8, so it would be cool to see the results of more. Still, other people seem to be attatched to making Odyssial not a First Age Solar, so I'll have to compromise a little bit to get the stuff I really want.
Still, people should consider that should they so desire they could get every current option.
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I honestly think Odyssial should be a fanfiction than a quest. The players corrupt Odyssial optimization. Wasting his potential to be a bit nicer to people who decided to fuck with him and his allies.
It's disgusting how people don't want to push it to the limit for Odyssial.
It's disgusting how people don't want to push it to the limit for Odyssial.
I would laugh if Lea don't care about Odyssial anymore. Like, she got over him and move on. No longer as allies or enemies or even friends after thousands of years. I can just imagine the tears from the players.
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Well, let's be honest here, Ulysses neglecting his wife to pursue warfare is a concept that is not without historical support.
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Yeah. That's kinda where I'm coming from. Odyssial isn't about helping the common man, though that may be an incidental effect of his efforts to improve Creation, or compromising, or turning the other cheek. I mean, that kind of thing is fine and cool, but this is absolutely not the place for it. Take that half-heartedness to another quest; Odyssial is about the relentless and ruthless pursuit of advantage. About taking the universe's limits on how awesome one man can be and going: "Fuck that, I'm going to surpass the sun and keep going." Do you guys remember how fucking awesome it was when we learned about him? How everybody was simultaneously curious and terrified and wearing a shit-eating grin, because holy shit this guy is the bee's knees? I want that. I want that sense of wonder. Don't poison that for me by attempting to turn him into something he's not. There are a thousand other quests out there where you can be the hero, have your cake and eat it too while surrounded by adoring and prosperous peasants. Let me and those of similar opinions have this one.
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[X] Lord Strategos
[X] Protector of the West
[X] The Conquering King
Hi guys. I heard we want ourselves a great leader. So I put a lord on top of king so that we can lead while we rule. Oh, and do some protecting on the side. But that`s not important, so ignore it :3
[X] Protector of the West
[X] The Conquering King
Hi guys. I heard we want ourselves a great leader. So I put a lord on top of king so that we can lead while we rule. Oh, and do some protecting on the side. But that`s not important, so ignore it :3
[X] Lord Strategos
[X] The Sword of Endings
[X] The Rose Blossoms
[X] The Sword of Endings
[X] The Rose Blossoms
For those of you picking Lord Strategos you should also strongly consider picking up The Conquering King.
Note that The Conquering king gives 100k bonus XP and that with each bonus option Lord Strategos gives +20% total XP. So if we assume we have 700k XP that means taking the option has given us a total of 260XP. In addition The Conquering king effectively reduces heartlessness and with the bonus XP it should be simple enough to buy off the heartlessness gain with XP.
The result is that we'll likely be effectively getting the option for free and the synergies of these two options goes further than XP gain as benefits to rulership from The Conquering king should combine well with extended rulership over the celestial host that Lord Strategos brings.
Note that The Conquering king gives 100k bonus XP and that with each bonus option Lord Strategos gives +20% total XP. So if we assume we have 700k XP that means taking the option has given us a total of 260XP. In addition The Conquering king effectively reduces heartlessness and with the bonus XP it should be simple enough to buy off the heartlessness gain with XP.
The result is that we'll likely be effectively getting the option for free and the synergies of these two options goes further than XP gain as benefits to rulership from The Conquering king should combine well with extended rulership over the celestial host that Lord Strategos brings.
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[X] Protector of the West
[X] The Sword of Endings
[X] The Rose Blossoms
On my phone right now, will try to write up my reasons later when I have access to a keyboard.
[X] The Sword of Endings
[X] The Rose Blossoms
On my phone right now, will try to write up my reasons later when I have access to a keyboard.
[X] Lord Strategos
[X] The Rose Blossoms
[X] The Sword of Endings
[X] The Rose Blossoms
[X] The Sword of Endings
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Actually, upon further consideration, I'm gonna have to change my vote to
[X] Lord Strategos
[X] Rose Blossoms
[X] The Sword of Endings
The opportunity to curb unnecessary Solar excesses (in favor of more worthwhile excesses, like excess power and excess optimization) would be amazing. I don't really care about the Sword of Creation thing. Then if the Lord Strategos could just get the other Solars to do their fucking jobs, all of Creation would become the shining jewel Protector of the West would create in the west! Plus, more free time for Siddie/Lea adventures whenever he's not trying to wrangle Desus.
Ody would be the worst boss, seriously.
[X] Lord Strategos
[X] Rose Blossoms
[X] The Sword of Endings
The opportunity to curb unnecessary Solar excesses (in favor of more worthwhile excesses, like excess power and excess optimization) would be amazing. I don't really care about the Sword of Creation thing. Then if the Lord Strategos could just get the other Solars to do their fucking jobs, all of Creation would become the shining jewel Protector of the West would create in the west! Plus, more free time for Siddie/Lea adventures whenever he's not trying to wrangle Desus.
Ody would be the worst boss, seriously.