Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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Dear reader! Whether you are new here, archive-reading and whatnot, or you are already someone who has been with us for quite a while, I would like to say a few words that I believe are best kept close to mind.

-This is an MLP quest. And more importantly, none of us are gratuitously cruel. So good things will happen on this quest, and I hope that enough good things have already happened to prove that.
-This is also a horror quest, so bad things will happen. Bad things might happen to good characters if you are not able to protect them, and you most certainly will not be able to intervene if you lack the tools to do so.
-And finally, this is a quest in which you jostle with powers greater than yourself, with all that it entails.

Please, do keep those things in mind as you go forward. But ultimately, this is also a quest in which it is hoped we all have fun! So if any of the above points is not exactly your cup of tea, or somehow make the experience as a whole "not worth it", then this quest might not be for you. Which is fine! Individual tastes are a thing, so don't think any more about it if you don't want to read anymore. And regardless, I hope you have a lovely day!

PSA for whoever needs to hear it:

Readers should take their own mental health into consideration when voting and not subject themselves to triggering narrative elements like rape or constant mental torture of a friend just for the Greatest Good of a world that doesn't exist.

If those are fine for you or Regrettable is even more triggering, then GREAT! More power to you. But you aren't a bad or selfish person for picking the option that keeps the characters you've emotionally connected with safe. [REDACTED for spoiler warning]

This is a high intensity quest that doesn't hold back when it comes to horror and negative consequences. Take care of yourself.
(Quote slightly edited to avoid spoilers)
 
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Personally I agree that the Mansus has a tendency—a tendency, not necessarily an inherent nature—to make things worse. Power corrupts, and all that. I also, however, find it strange to decry an entire half of the setting as a red herring and try to limit it as much as possible.
Especially since part of our current problems (the cult having access to the magical "nuke" that are the Windigoes instead of the less collateral prone Mares-In-The-Mirror) are precisely because we skipped on exploring the Mansus for so long, to the point that Bird had to give us a malus to force us to explore more.
 
It's more dangerous then reality in every place we've seen, though the danger varies. We have not seen ANY places or people that I would say are better than reality to balance it out.
the mansus is more dangerous/worse than the inhabited places in Equestria.

That's all we can say for certain. We KNOW from the guards' deaths that there's plenty of dangerous places both IN and AROUND Equestria, that this world is a deathworld outside of actual settled territory, and we know nothing about how life is in any country other than Equestria.


Like, just from the mlp movie we saw how there's a town not that far off Equestria where slavery is an option.

Griffonstone is a dump where only money matters and fun is outlawed.

The hippogriffs are hiding undersea from the conquering Tyrant that is the Storm King.

the Kirin gave up their emotions and ability to speak to stop going Nirik!

And then there's the changelings
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Life in this world is maybe decent if you keep to your town in Equestria. Outside of it it sucks. a lot.

Also I have to wonder about the talking Cows and Mules, and just what kind of lives they lead.
 
I mean, I imagine any settlement located near areas with lots of trees will keep at least a few axes handy for emergency woodcutting.
 
So the real question is: what is going on with the worms? How are they locked out of this world? Are we reinforcing that lock or chipping away at it? Is there a deadline when they will break in, or is there just a fear that such a thing exists? Why haven't the worms already eaten the world while Luna was their prisoner?

They come from Nowhere, and are locked out of the world via the metaphorical distance between the real and the unreal. Dreams are a blurrier ground, and thus their current point of ingress. As for reinforcing the lock or chipping away at it, we have done neither at this point, really. We don't go around smashing dream doors, but we aren't going around shoring them up either. We kind of just avoid the whole thing as much as we can. If we get Luna + Lores up and running we will definitely have strengthened the lock. There is no concrete deadline, only the knowledge that the Worms are literally at the doors of ponies' minds, scratching, gnawing, ever-probing to get in. Finally, the Worms didn't eat the world while Luna was their prisoner because Nightmare Moon got magically banished by Celestia utilizing the Elements of Harmony, and when she returned said Worm got annihilated by the Element of Harmony in under 24 Hours.

the Kirin gave up their emotions and ability to speak to stop going Nirik!
What's a Nirik?
 
Wow that was one intense scene, so glad to see you posting once more Bird! This quest is exceptional and waiting for it to update has been agonizing but oh so sweet.

Anyway, I am deeply disappointed at the lack of Scottish accent in my pony quest and frankly I don't believe I can stomach the emotional crisis it has caused in me :V
 
Precisely how is avoiding getting more power going to make things better in the short and long run?

I think you misunderstand the problem. As I keep repeating, more power makes things better for us and worse for everyone else.

It's the selfish choice.

No one having the power is the best. Only us having the power is second best. Every additional person or thing is another chance the world is going to be fucked up. And that's cumulative.

So you seem to be missing the issue.

Something I feel has to change on the Mansus's side that's for certain and seemingly the main place that can affect that change is the Glory. What that change maybe depends, for all we know your goal (seperating mansus from reality) can be accomplished up there, or reformating the Mansus into something less alien or hostile. Whatever it is we can't do it down here.

Cool. I'm assuming that the ability to change Mansus when you reach glory is OOC knowledge? Because there's certainly no hints of it in the story.

Or, as far as I understand, in the CS game, where reaching glory wasn't actually a possibility.

So I'm not going to count on the idea that we can change Mansus without constraints to how we want it.

This feels a bit disingenuous to the QM. Generally speaking we have to trust they're telling the truth and we've seen that the powers of the Mansus are not a red herring for better or worse.

We have seen that Mansus powers are powers and we need power to survive. Not quite the same thing as 'this is the way to save the world'.

Given that this is a crossover and not just a CS world, it's possible that those answers are all part of the harmony mystery chain, not the Mansus one. And we've done far less on that then on Mansus.

So if you want to base Velvet's in-character actions on entirely OOC information, that's your call.

I disagree with it is all.

As for reinforcing the lock or chipping away at it, we have done neither at this point, really

Any evidence for this? It's a theory based on 1/2 the world and deductive logic, so I'm really not sure. There are variables in this world that are not in the CS world.

Finally, the Worms didn't eat the world while Luna was their prisoner because Nightmare Moon got magically

Implying that all of the worms were inside and exiled with nightmare moon.

Except we found some in the dream world on their own. So there's 1000 years that they operated more or less unopposed and didn't succeed.

It's the removal of Luna as a guardian that raises the question of why the world didn't fall without her. There implication is that worms are not a near term (in Velvet's lifetime) threat.
 
No one having the power is the best. Only is having the power is second best. Every additional person or thing is another chance the world is going to be fucked up. And that's cumulative.
That's just wrong. No one having too much power is nice, but we already have powerful and not-particularly-nice entities running around and fucking things up, and the Worms slowly making their way towards Equestria. We can only choose whether to pursue power for ourselves so we can try to do something about said fuck-ups with the risk of creating some of our own, or just sit back and play the helpless civilian while letting those screw-ups pile up unopposed until we get the Mother of Wolves ending except with something else taking the place of the wolves (and that's about scenarios that don't involve eternal torment by Worms).

There's no such thing as not making a choice. Inaction and fleeing from responsibility is still a decision.
 
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Right.

So if you aren't actively laying the groundwork for an ending better than mother of wolves, there's no point.

I'm just laying out what I see as necessary for a better ending to be stable.

Which, at this point, means not writing manuscripts and not teaching anyone we aren't already committed to teaching.
 
Implying that all of the worms were inside and exiled with nightmare moon.

Except we found some in the dream world on their own. So there's 1000 years that they operated more or less unopposed and didn't succeed.

It's the removal of Luna as a guardian that raises the question of why the world didn't fall without her. There implication is that worms are not a near term (in Velvet's lifetime) threat.

Ah, here I thought your thought process was, "why didn't the worms just waltz on in when they had control over the person who could open all the doors," not, "why didn't the worms successfully force their way in while Luna was not guarding the doors." My misunderstanding. My answer to that conundrum would be that it is simply because no big worms have rolled up since the one the made Nightmare Moon showed up. Why that is, is unknown. Might simply be an issue of rarity, where the big worms are really that few and far between. Maybe they are still searching for glory and thus ignore harmony, leaving it to the small fry. But if one does appear, there will be serious trouble.
 
Honestly at this point our best option might be to just bum rush the top of the moon. Master didn't even have any reaction or comment that we found the tower. we pretty much have to be the one to push for reversing history in the Mansus. Such a history reversal is very similar to almost the same as reversing history for the world. The only downside would be the need for us to take multiple risky action to actually get our secret history sacrament ot reach it might take a few more turns than a Twilight rescue.

weirdly I can't tell if reverting the Mansus with the moon save state would dissapear the Master because he is a result of the moth burning up, but by deciding the history of the moon is correct. He would no longer exist. Well this need more investigation
 
Cool. I'm assuming that the ability to change Mansus when you reach glory is OOC knowledge? Because there's certainly no hints of it in the story.

Or, as far as I understand, in the CS game, where reaching glory wasn't actually a possibility.

So I'm not going to count on the idea that we can change Mansus without constraints to how we want it.
I mean OOC those who changed the Mansus before came from the Glory, but in the story (to my knowledge) we know its at the top of everything and the centre of things. If things can't be changed there then they just can't be changed.

I mean why were you assuming there weren't going to be constraints?

And no, you can reach the glory in cultist simulator, you don't stay there very long and the hours are already there, but to become Long you have to pass the Tricuspid gate, go to the Glory briefly and return immortal.

We have seen that Mansus powers are powers and we need power to survive. Not quite the same thing as 'this is the way to save the world'.

Given that this is a crossover and not just a CS world, it's possible that those answers are all part of the harmony mystery chain, not the Mansus one. And we've done far less on that then on Mansus.

So if you want to base Velvet's in-character actions on entirely OOC information, that's your call.

I disagree with it is all.
I'm not sure why you are calling it OOC information when its a fairly reasonable thing based on what she knows and her current skill set as far as I can tell, but I'm not disregarding the harmony chain at all. I would rather not hobble myself and would pursue both if possible.

Who knows our best bet might be to replace the glory with the harmony, I don't know but I would love to find out.

I think you misunderstand the problem. As I keep repeating, more power makes things better for us and worse for everyone else.

It's the selfish choice.

No one having the power is the best. Only us having the power is second best. Every additional person or thing is another chance the world is going to be fucked up. And that's cumulative.

So you seem to be missing the issue.
Then Celestia is really screwed as the strongest being around.

Implying that all of the worms were inside and exiled with nightmare moon.

Except we found some in the dream world on their own. So there's 1000 years that they operated more or less unopposed and didn't succeed.

It's the removal of Luna as a guardian that raises the question of why the world didn't fall without her. There implication is that worms are not a near term (in Velvet's lifetime) threat.
The worms are weird, and depend on questions we don't know the answers too.

For example, there's far fewer of them than there should be assuming there's a bunch of dead hours, enough to easily overwhelm reality, seeing as just the Sun in Splendour dying was enough to give them a decisive edge.

There are also things that might be keeping them back on both sides that have nothing to do with Luna (off the top of my head the presence of the harmony and someone implementing the Protections for all things that Exist.)

As well as other possibilities as well.

Honestly at this point our best option might be to just bum rush the top of the moon. Master didn't even have any reaction or comment that we found the tower. we pretty much have to be the one to push for reversing history in the Mansus. Such a history reversal is very similar to almost the same as reversing history for the world. The only downside would be the need for us to take multiple risky action to actually get our secret history sacrament ot reach it might take a few more turns than a Twilight rescue.

weirdly I can't tell if reverting the Mansus with the moon save state would dissapear the Master because he is a result of the moth burning up, but by deciding the history of the moon is correct. He would no longer exist. Well this need more investigation
I'd be in favour of looking into the house of the moon too. Seeing if the Wheel still turns and all that.

Right.

So if you aren't actively laying the groundwork for an ending better than mother of wolves, there's no point.

I'm just laying out what I see as necessary for a better ending to be stable.

Which, at this point, means not writing manuscripts and not teaching anyone we aren't already committed to teaching.
So ignore the problem and hope it goes away?

If you really feel its such a big deal then try to do something about it, something we'll have a much better chance of doing once the master is dead.

Them gone means the most active malicious mansus force is gone and we can investigate what occured and what might be done.

At least keep an open mind to the idea (not that I was advocating for teaching many people in the first place.)
 
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I think you misunderstand the problem. As I keep repeating, more power makes things better for us and worse for everyone else.

It's the selfish choice.

No one having the power is the best. Only is having the power is second best. Every additional person or thing is another chance the world is going to be fucked up. And that's cumulative.

So you seem to be missing the issue.

You seem to be misunderstanding why I was questioning your logic.

Fine, let me rephrase my question, how does Velvet getting more power or removing detrimental traits to her make things worse for everyone else around her ? How does avoiding power or removing detrimental traits to her make it better for everyone else? It does not remove the already existent beings with power, it does not remove each of the characters agency in their pursuits. It does not hinder any of them if Velvet stops attempting getting more power or removing detrimental traits to her. I can understand trying to restrict its spread but that is a task which is frankly infeasible to do so too any major degrees due to lacking the ability to do so. So how does Velvet's choice to avoid getting more power or removing detrimental traits to her affect any of what I just mentioned in such a manner? How is it all going to lead to a better outcome for everyone else instead of something worse occurring instead?

As for it being a selfish choice, precisely what choices would be not selfish for you? Explain please.

As for wishing of no one having the power, that is an impossibility since it is a power which has its own agency to chose, give or help such as harmony has its own agency to chose, give or help. So how do you propose Velvet prevents its spread?
 
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I'd be in favour of looking into the house of the moon too. Seeing if the Wheel still turns and all that.
I wonder if we reach the Glory we could pull the Wheel from the HotM, even if we don't achieve the Moon ending? Maybe that would even unfuck the Woods from being a horrid nightmare forest.

Honestly, the Wheel would probably be one of the better Hours to come back. It was the once-protector of the World's Skin, which could only help with the Worm thing.
 
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I completely understand many of the arguments being presented here, and agree with many of them.

I'll just mention that I already gave my own opinion, though.

I suppose. I'll keep it short and sweet then. Taking in account everything she knows, everything she doesn't know, and the direction that the wind is blowing, I really, really think she should aim at the top of the House.
 
I admit I'm not usually the one to be doing this to others (usually its the other way around) but are you ok @Glau this seems to be getting to you quite badly?

I too was rather surprised by the dark turn things took recently, but before declaring a fundament of reality something that needs to be thrown out with the trash lets see what we can accomplish when we're not working for a bastard and have an in with learning about harmony stuff to offset it as well?

So how do you propose Velvet prevents its spread?
Well Celestia might be amenable to establishing a surveillance state ATM :p

I can understand trying to restrict its spread but that is a task which is frankly infeasible to do so too major degrees due to lacking the ability to do so.
Well right now. With enough power theoretically we could do it, but unfortunately stopping it in the waking world would (ironically) either be a bigger giveaway that it exists or require a lot of tyranny to enforce a masquerade, as well as requiring training people in the Mansus to be able to combat it (its no coincidence that a detective for the supernatural suppression agency can be played in Cultist simulator, or that Madam the "not" sage knight talks about that same organisation trying to recruit her.)

It might be a bit more manageable within the Mansus itself, if you have the right stuff for it, but it'd still be a full time job unless you were insanely strong or have the ability to seal the doors with tests you've devised.

However the nature of the setting and knock mean that any door can be opened or ended.

I wonder if we reach the Glory we could pull the Wheel from the HotM, even if we don't achieve the Moon ending? Maybe that would even unfuck the Woods from being a horrid nightmare forest.
No idea, but it does beg the question, if the Wheel is stopped and the Heart is stilled whose protecting the world?

I completely understand many of the arguments being presented here, and agree with many of them.

I'll just mention that I already gave my own opinion, though.
Yeh. Of course you didn't say how we'd reach the top of the house.

Plenty of paths remain unexplored (harmony etc), but I think going up is fairly inevitable, regardless of the means.
 
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Are axes common on farms? I legitimately don't know. If it were a logging community or something, I wouldn't even question it, but considering the Everfree…
Axes are extremely useful implements for whenever anything needs cutting with force.

This happens a lot on a farm. From old roots, to trees that spring up in fallow fields, to rope that is too sturdy for a knife to cut quickly.

Axes are probably fairly ubiquitous. This was probably just a firewood axe or the like sharpened recently, and that isn't particularly suspicious since they need it regularly.
 
Axes are extremely useful implements for whenever anything needs cutting with force.

This happens a lot on a farm. From old roots, to trees that spring up in fallow fields, to rope that is too sturdy for a knife to cut quickly.

Axes are probably fairly ubiquitous. This was probably just a firewood axe or the like sharpened recently, and that isn't particularly suspicious since they need it regularly.
Also I imagine most places don't have central heating or if they do its a stove.

Which means axe for chopping fire wood.

People use a crap ton of wood. Forests were once considered a military resource for a good reason.

…Top of the House is pretty definitively the Glory? The Moon and Harmony are completely different things, in different places.
Well the Moon might be in the same place as the glory just on the flipside :p

But, I was refering to them more in the sense in seeing what they do and how they might affect a trudge upwards, helping (maybe hindering) and how that could shake up what happens there.

The glory is up there right now who knows what we could put there instead. Goal's open if you will.
 
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Well Celestia might be amenable to establishing a surveillance state ATM :p


Well right now. With enough power theoretically we could do it, but unfortunately stopping it in the waking world would (ironically) either be a bigger giveaway that it exists or require a lot of tyranny to enforce a masquerade, as well as requiring training people in the Mansus to be able to combat it (its no coincidence that a detective for the supernatural suppression agency can be played in Cultist simulator, or that Madam the "not" sage knight talks about that same organisation trying to recruit her.)

It might be a bit more manageable within the Mansus itself, if you have the right stuff for it, but it'd still be a full time job unless you were insanely strong or have the ability to seal the doors with tests you've devised.

However the nature of the setting and knock mean that any door can be opened or ended.

I am aware that Velvet could potentially do so through Celestia and Princess Candance, the problem with trying to prevent its spread is not only the current inability of Velvet to prevent but also the fact we know from the update that Master is likely scattering Cultists all around Esquestria.

As for the second, what you stated is correct, the nature of the power makes it so that it requires both large amounts of infrastructure, training, funds, materials and more to attempt to manage and contain it. Something which is difficult at best for the Suppression Bureau who has far more time reach the requirements I noted and can still fail due to the power being extremely subtle when it needs to be.

The only way to manage is as Bird stated is to reach the top of the Mansus for it is through there you have the ability to do so completely due to having access to the fundamental foundation and root access to the reality that is the Mansus that can no longer be contested by any hour and any below them.
 
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