Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Dear reader! Whether you are new here, archive-reading and whatnot, or you are already someone who has been with us for quite a while, I would like to say a few words that I believe are best kept close to mind.

-This is an MLP quest. And more importantly, none of us are gratuitously cruel. So good things will happen on this quest, and I hope that enough good things have already happened to prove that.
-This is also a horror quest, so bad things will happen. Bad things might happen to good characters if you are not able to protect them, and you most certainly will not be able to intervene if you lack the tools to do so.
-And finally, this is a quest in which you jostle with powers greater than yourself, with all that it entails.

Please, do keep those things in mind as you go forward. But ultimately, this is also a quest in which it is hoped we all have fun! So if any of the above points is not exactly your cup of tea, or somehow make the experience as a whole "not worth it", then this quest might not be for you. Which is fine! Individual tastes are a thing, so don't think any more about it if you don't want to read anymore. And regardless, I hope you have a lovely day!

PSA for whoever needs to hear it:

Readers should take their own mental health into consideration when voting and not subject themselves to triggering narrative elements like rape or constant mental torture of a friend just for the Greatest Good of a world that doesn't exist.

If those are fine for you or Regrettable is even more triggering, then GREAT! More power to you. But you aren't a bad or selfish person for picking the option that keeps the characters you've emotionally connected with safe. [REDACTED for spoiler warning]

This is a high intensity quest that doesn't hold back when it comes to horror and negative consequences. Take care of yourself.
(Quote slightly edited to avoid spoilers)
 
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I also want to be clear: the above is NOT to be taken as aggression, condescension,or similar tones.

I just quite literally have trouble understanding what's the problem with my posts, and as nobody else told me anything against it (and a couple posters actually appeared to agree with me) my first instinct is to question if this is a "me" problem, or a "you" problem, if it's even a problem in the first place.
 
To everyone else: please tell me if you agree with tapkomet about my posts. As long as it's only one poster, I'm inclined to believe they're exaggerating, as I really don't see what the problem is. If more people agree (especially the qm), that's different.
... wasn't he unsatisfied with me first?

But no, as I said before, it can end up that, depending on amount of topics covered, posts/story to respond, and a couple other factors (99.99% mobile), that I end up doing the same.

So as far as I'm concerned, we're on this sinking ship together.
 
... wasn't he unsatisfied with me first?

But no, as I said before, it can end up that, depending on amount of topics covered, posts/story to respond, and a couple other factors (99.99% mobile), that I end up doing the same.

So as far as I'm concerned, we're on this sinking ship together.
I don't recall which one of you I called out first. But I saw Pittauro's post most recently after I learned the proper term, so that's why I tagged him.
this, and also I react that way because I'm writing while I'm reading, and I'm reacting to these specific points.

@tapkomet If I'm answering to multiple posts, obviously I have to separate my post in multiple parts.

If I'm reacting to the update, splitting the post like that is the whole point.

I don't think I'm doing anything wrong here. If you really find it unreadable, feel free to skip my posts.
Mmm, I dunno tbh. I do find your posts to frequently be very hard to parse, which is I think what the rule is talking about. We'll see if anyone else agrees, I guess. If it's just me who's put off by it, I can just ignore the posts.
 
Sacraments, both possible and taken
Instead of putting this information on a sub-spoiler of another Informational threadmark, I hope placing this here will make things easier to access and check every now and then.I'll make sure to post the updates on the "QM's word" at the end of updates whenever you learn or notice something that might warrant this change.


SACRAMENTS


-In order to reach Level 5 in a Lore, you require FOUR Level 4 scraps, as well as a Sacrament.
-Sacraments may be achieved in two ways. Through "actions of your own" or through "invitation by one who is very great".
-Keep in mind that there are no superior options. The effort to achieve Sacrament through "actions of your own" will not make the direction your Lore studies take "better" or "superior".
-It is also important to note that the direction, theme and "flavor" your advance in said Lore will be tied to the nature of the Sacrament itself. (Reader's interpretation and discussion is advised)
-Consider the "Invitation" statuses as WoG. Don't worry about asking to make sure. If I forget to update a certain status-quo (a previously glad patron will now ask for a favor, etc) I'll let you all know before a voting period is over.

MOTH
Actions of your own: "You have never really liked yourself. That is an ugly truth you have always denied, and that you attempted to bury underneath the love that others feel for you. But perhaps, and only perhaps, it is time to embrace that, and learn to be somepony else."
-Pick a single character with whom you have a "Confidant-level" relationship or higher. That character will be permanently locked as an "acquaintance". For somepony must realize that you have donned a mask, for it to truly exist.
-You must reach 4/4 scraps of Moth before taking this action.

The Master's Invitation: "Ah, excellent. You have come far. Come, little Velvet, follow me. I shall teach you how to reach where the light of Glory shines not, where the trees grow too thick for anything but shadows to exist."
-Accompany the Master into the "The Depths of the Woods" location, situated in the Woods.
-You must reach 4/4 scraps of Moth before taking this action.

-UNAVAILABLE: to the best of your knowledge, the Master is gone.

LANTERN
Actions of your own: "Books, much like any physical object, are immutable. Or rather, they cannot change themselves, and must be changed by an outside force such as a pony. And their immutability is what makes them so easy for your hoofs to understand. But can you apply your talents to mutable things? Do these flashes and sensations you feel every time you... touch a pony, can they possibly mean something?"
-Pick a Prisoner, or a character you have a "Minion-level" relationship with, and perform an action dedicated to "The Conversation".
-In order to succeed, "The Conversation" will require a Lantern Knowledge test of CD 100 (does not apply any other status, other than Lantern 4 (+40) and any Lantern Influence you have).
-Regardless of success or failure, "The Conversation" will destroy your prisoner of Minion without leaving a body. (But you only need to succeed once)
-You must reach 4/4 scraps of Lantern before taking this action.

Baldomare's Invitation: "Fine! I will teach you that language. I will teach you all the languages! Well, except for Vak. But nopony can speak that anymore. Still, don't expect me to do it for free. And I don't see any Sprintia on you, so you will have to pay with something else!"
-"Lend" FOUR followers to Baldomare. They will all embark on a SHORT expedition with her to an unknown location.
-The expedition will not cost you funds, nor will they cost actions from the followers. But it will cost one action from Baldomare herself.
-The expedition is DANGEROUS. And although Baldomare is not at risk of being wounded, your followers risk being wounded/destroyed.
-Mares-in-the-Light count as TWO followers, for the sake of calculation. The Daughter-of-Axes counts as THREE.
-You must reach 4/4 scraps of Lantern before taking this action, as she will insist of settling her debt (and teaching you) the moment she returns.

FORGE
Actions of your own: Lore level insufficient
Invitation: You do not know any creature that may help you

EDGE
Actions of your own: "There is only one way a pony, anypony, may proceed further without an invitation from above. He must reach higher by slaying a worthy foe. That is the truth of Edge, which applies to all ponies. Since Issus they have striven so."
-You must reach at least 3/4 scraps of Edge before taking this action.
-You must kill a "worthy opponent" in battle.
-Velvet Covers will recognize a worthy opponent when she sees one, provided she is Level 4 in Edge.
-Known "worthy opponents": Princess Celestia, Princess Cadance, Mareinette, Comet Feet.
-WARNING: By definition, Velvet Covers is now also a "worthy opponent".

Biedde's Invidation: (You must first summon him to learn of his terms)

The Wolf's Invitation: "There exists a wound that never stops growing, a cut that has never ceased. To know it is to know Agony."
-Seek audience with the Wolf-Divided. (Costs one Mansus-action.)
-This action will give you both Edge AND Winter Sacraments.
-This action may be taken with your "free" monthly Mansus action.
-[THIS IS A REGRETTABLE ACTION]

WINTER
Actions of your own: "You will only ever stop being afraid of it when you truly understand it. You cannot run from it, any longer. You must understand what it means to die. You must... understand death."
-Perform, three times, the "Investigating the End" action. (Costs 30 bits per action, rolls using your Winter level)
-This action is the equivalent of performing a "The End is Beautiful" ritual WITHOUT specifying a target.
-Each time you do so, somepony, somewhere, will die.
-No ponies in your contact list will die.

The Wolf's Invitation: "He will give you what you desire, and you will beg for it as He does. He will give you the knowledge of what it means to End."
-Seek audience with the Wolf-Divided. (Costs one Mansus-action.)
-This action will give you both Winter AND Edge Sacraments.
-This action may be taken with your "free" monthly Mansus action.
-[THIS IS A REGRETTABLE ACTION]

Invitation: You do not know any creature that may help you

HEART
Actions of your own: Lore level insufficient

Mareinette's Invitation: "[Heart]?" (She is willing to offer you a Sacrament, but will need you to reach Level 4 in the Lore of Heart before telling you more).

GRAIL
Actions of your own: "You have always been terrified that they would leave you. But now? Now you can make sure that they never will."
-At any point in time, have three ponies in your contact list with whom you have a Minion (or Minion-equivalent) social bond.
-With those three ponies in tow, perform "The Act".
-Velvet Covers may refuse to use certain ponies for this action (they will be listed here)
-You must reach 4/4 scraps of Grail before taking this action.

Mareinette's Invitation: "[Grail]!" (There are bounties and resources available in the bodies of every pony. But first, one must develop the appropriate organs to harvest them. She will teach you.)
-Pick a Prisoner, or a character you have a "Minion-level" relationship with, and perform an action dedicated to "An invitation to dinner".
-"An invitation to dinner" cannot fail, but it will destroy your selected contact/prisoner without leaving a corpse.

KNOCK
Actions of your own: "Jade Whistle already did it before, with only a noose and a chair, so you are sure that you can learn how to do it properly. To spare her from having to ever do that again, if nothing else."
-Fully research the "To cut the skin of the world" project.
-You do NOT yet know how many actions this will take, or what will be its costs or demands.

The Daughter-of-Axes' invitation: "Ae sppose ae can wash yer hoof, s'long as ye wash mine as well. Ae need ye te run me an errant. Do tha' an' ae'll make et worth yer time. Bu' get sum'more Knock on ye farst, or else ye won' survive th' trip."
-Successfully complete her request on the "Through the foggy mirror" action. You do not know how many actions this will take.
-Your forays into the "Through the foggy mirror" action may be spaced through however many turns you wish, and you may invest however many actions per turn you wish into it. But the Daughter-of-Axes must be summoned every time you want to try it.
-You must reach 4/4 scraps of Knock before taking this action.

SECRET HISTORIES
Actions of your own: "You are afraid of doing this, but there might be a History where you are not. Regardless, it is time you learn more about how this works, these recent memories that at the same time are and are not your own."
-Perform, three times, an action dedicated to studying the memories and glimpses you have of other Histories. [Costs one action each]
-This is a dangerous action.

Baldomare's Invitation: "I suppose it's better for me to show you than not... Especially given the Brand you chose. Or could it be that your Brand chose you instead? It has been known to happen... Regardless. I'll do it for free, with how I can see this is what you really want. Come back to me when you are ready, then pack for a long hike."
-Complete the Beyond the Map's Edge expedition, taking Baldomare as a companion.
-You must reach 4/4 scraps of Secret Histories before taking this action.
 
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So which Info threadmark will sacraments go under?
I've posted one specifically for that.

Which reminds me I also have to update the "Known Rituals and Lore invocations"...

I'll get to that after catching up to speed.

Perhaps this was the secret to no longer being afraid. Familiarity.
This was quite the insightful read on the situation.

I take it that was our family idle interaction?
Oh. No, it was not.

Oh wow, that's really good
...Well that's all kinds of bullshit, especially when we're about to roll a pretty big SH roll this turn.
So were setting up to make some kind of world shattering book acquisition in Canterlot, and were bringing Twilight with us.

This is gonna be SO good.
Let me just mention that if you had chosen to purchase the Artifact next turn, and studied it on the turn AFTER the Canterlotian book search, the grief would have been Wolf-worthy.

"If only we had this re-roll LAST TURN"

Shame you decided to go for it this turn...

Can we apply this to the "search for an expedition site" personal action?
Slippery slope. But yes. This artifact is heavily focused on academic research, but since expedition searches rely heavily on going over maps and history books, it only barely applies.

Also, unless we get another interlude, it looks like the 3-4 transition is less stressful then the 2-3 one is. I was previously a bit concerned that letting one Aspect get to level 4 while others are still on 2 would imbalance us, or cause another freakout, but I think we're clear on that front.
For the sake of a final and clear allaying of worries. The next thresholds are the level 5.

I retain the right to be silent for anything that comes after that thought :V

The Blank Plains are described as not meant for living ponies. The only time we were there and were not in transit, we were directed home by a person unaffected by Blank Plains. I'm not sure we will be so lucky next time. I would prefer to avoid them.
I'm pretty sure that our Brand makes us immune to the Blank Plains' mental effects, though I could be wrong.
That being said, I think the Blank Plains are probably safe to explore. Velvet's desire to reach the Glory was enough of a motivation for her to reach the Branding Door, so it can probably safely see us through the Orchard of Lights, or whatever else we find.
I won't influence or insert needless worries by saying that something is or isn't dangerous, but let me say this.

You are not immune to the effects of the Blank Plains.
Lower floors can be expected to be safer/calmer/less damaged than higher floors (at least based on the tiny pool of samples you currently have).
I will not throw a Game Over on your faces because you walked into the Blank Plains and botched three "1" rolls is a row. This is a game that is meant to be fun and playable, and there is no fun in pulling traps like that without explicitly saying that this is either "a very bad idea" or "very dangerous" beforehand. Slaps to the wrist or loss of certain things might (and must) apply, but not a downright death because of a single option pick.

In the game, there's never any indication that any part of the Mansus is dangerous in that way
I don't have a quote right now, but the Mansus is pretty dangerous. It is stated in several places (in the CS game) that you "dare not approach" this or that, and I recall that you save a detective from some sort of trap (after he reveals to you some dirty secret that translates as a "Favor from Authority").

"Ok, I know I have been kind of absent from the palace these last few months, but..."
"Celly proceeds to be sad because her subjects think she has been too absent."

I take it to mean the Blank Plains are safe to go into, at least for us, though I'd appreciate a few words on the why/how @BirdBodhisattva
Blank Plains can be explored, yes.

And pardon my vagueness, but I refuse to use the word "safely" for anything relating to the Mansus or the Lores. Words, knives and thoughts are not safe, yet we cannot avoid their use.

I'm assuming that when a reroll is used, we get to choose the higher of the original and new rolls, as opposed to being stuck with the new roll specifically. Is this correct, @BirdBodhisattva? (If not, the Averages section in particular doesn't hold; everything else should remain correct.)
Higher roll will always be chosen, and there might be times when I even elect not to chose to "burn" your re-roll to begin with.

More importantly, hidden rolls exist, and some of them could be well served with re-rolls once/if you spread out to more level 4 Lores.

This is explicitly to affect circumstances in the way that would "benefit Velvet Covers the most".

Also, let me just say I do love these math-ing outs. The ability SV has to crunch everything down to numbers is frightening sometimes, but I do appreciate these posts!

As nice as that book reading scene was, wasn't it also a blatant violation of Velvet's agreement with Storm Chaser? You know, the whole, don't involve the family in the occult thing? And then she just spends a day reading an occult book with her family.
[] Tell your husband that you tricked your family into studying the Lores, and that you have directly and blatantly breached his trust. (Lose one scrap of MARRIAGE Lore)
[] What...? Why?! No you won't. Why would you ever do that?

Voting opened :V

Jokes aside (and please, kindly take that as a joke. Pardon if I misinterpreted you tone, if you are being serious) that could be seen as a slippery slope of sorts. But you really were just reading a crazy magical book with your family, and whatever conclusions you drew on the side were kept exclusively inside your head. I don't think you could say you involved your family in the Lores any more than you can say that you are not acting properly because you only got out of your bed so soon because of high Winter and Heart.

But this does indeed point out the inherent flaw in the understanding between you and Stormchaser. It would be the same as if he was scared of "math", and yet you are using "math" to balance out your family's financial life. He would be able to clearly see if you started teaching "math" to Silky, but can you avoid "math" as transparently as he would like, now that you know it?

Also, voting not opened. Please, don't... don't flood the thread with fake votes.
 
... whoo boy.

Now, I understand that, if we convince Teresa, we could have a risk-free Sacrament. (Same for The Master, but y'all don't trust him one bit, soooo...)

But here's the thing: we would have little control as for its direction.

Although there's no "improvement", it would be the difference between choosing the Colonel's path or the Lionsmith's. The Vagabond's search or the Three Queens' end.

Such as that, by choosing to be assisted, we tread the path already once woven.

In contrast, Velvet's own actions might either be something new... or something lost, and found once more.

... though now I do have a question, @BirdBodhisattva: can the Sacrament actions change over time and understanding, or do they stay as they are until the heat death of the universe?

[] Tell your husband that you tricked your family into studying the Lores, and that you have directly and blatantly breached his trust. (Lose one scrap of MARRIAGE Lore)
[:V] Tell your husband that you tricked your family into studying the Lores, and that you have directly and blatantly breached his trust. (Lose one scrap of MARRIAGE Lore)

I mean, we already choose this path once... might as well stick to it!
 
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So, if we do make a Sacrament ourselves, how do we want to use the Secret Histories?

At first glance I can think of 4 options, assuming I understand Sacraments correctly:
  1. Searching for things/locations. As a Sacrament we can do something involving finding things far away from us, or going out to search for books ourselves and focusing on how our perceptions behave, or trying to find the centerpiece of a place (either in real life or somewhere other than the Dreamlands in the Mansus). Likely extends to finding anything it would be possible for us to find with our capabilities, which once we learn teleportation or another movement ability should extend to the entire country and anything in it susceptible to our Lantern-touch.
  2. Similar to the previous, acquiring information more generally. One of these Sacraments should likely involve locating objects, but we can also try remembering conversations or Lantern-touch usages or experiments. We could essentially have the ability to find out anything near-instantly, if we had the resources on hand; said resources would have to be more 'on hand' than the location option due to being more general, but we would have more general benefits as well. "What would the Master say if we asked her for ____ yesterday afternoon", for instance, or "What would _____ have told me if I asked different questions". Very good for information collection. This can also be used to refine our approach to any important actions.
  3. On the other hand, we could try to make a Sacrament on knowing history, lower-case H. Studying the Shattered Stairs and the Artifact would be good places to start for this. It would likely let us know about important events in the past, such as the Master's history or the way the Mansus was broken or what happened to the gods. Not directly applicable, but very useful for meta-level decision-making
  4. Which brings me to the last option I thought of, specializing in influencing the Histories. Unlike the prior two (which were inspired by SH3), this is based on the various actions we've done that "changed the Histories", "changed the course of Fate", etc., as well as Stormchaser's ability. We could focus on identifying important events, making predictions of future Histories, trying to influence the course of a situation, etc. This is likely a difficult Sacrament, but it could give us our family's importance-sense and (more importantly) the ability to find or create moments when 'Fate gives over control to us' (or whatever Bird's wording was when we found Selene). We started out in a good position and made some good decisions, which is why we've been so influential so far, but this ability could drastically increase our ability to find and influence events we care about, which is particularly important considering we have to prepare the world for the Worms. Mechanically, maybe it would manifest as a significant roll bonus scaling based on QM fiat of how important an event or a roll in that event is, or a warning when Velvet notices something is particularly important, or the inverse, predicting when an action will be pointless, or more information on the likely course of every action option we have if we choose it.
I think it's obvious that I like the 4th option best, but all of them seem interesting to me.
 
I feel this deserves a separate post, now that I reached here.

Since this is, thankfully, on the level of a pleasant conversation, I'll just say my own opinion about the subject.

Personally, I am extremely fond of Pittauro's posts.

Please, to everyone else who is reading this, kindly don't see this in a wrong light. I absolutely love every single post, reaction, answer, omake, art, theory (conspiracy or otherwise) and every last bit of discussion that happens here. I once hear that the OP is held responsible if things on a thread run out of control, and that is a "duty" of sorts for them. But being the "first line" of moderation (unofficial, of course) of this thread is something that motivates me to write more and more often.

But since this is on the subject specifically about "reaction posts" (and Pittauro is not the only one who does them, although he undoubtedly does them the most often), allow me to say that I am quite fond of them.

For several reasons, which I think apply to many authors. In SV and other places.

Writers are not perfect, and most of us are on a constant process of learning and evolution. So seeing the honest reaction of a reader "as they go" allows us (or at least me) to gauge the mood of a reader during their first read-though. Having reliable feedback of whether this or that scene caused this or that reaction is extremely beneficial.

It also, I dare say, has the same effect of being with a friend as they watch a movie for the first time, and seeing how they react to your favorite scene.

And historically (referring particularly to Pittauro as well, since his posts are the ones in question) he usually posts his entire "reaction", and then puts his personal thoughts and interpretations on the very end in an organized manner.

That's my personal take on the matter.

Regarding any other posts, in which both Pittauro and several other readers quote multiple other posts and answer them in turn, is not something I'd exactly classify as spaghetti posting. Specifically because it is the only way to participate in a large conversation and answer multiple people at once without spamming different posts. Heavens, I do it myself whenever I'm "catching up" with the thread.

But still, being the OP does not entitle me to the correct interpretation. This is just my opinion as someone who has been accompanying the thread.
 
though now I do have a question, @BirdBodhisattva: can the Sacrament actions change over time and understanding, or do they stay as they are until the heat death of the universe?
Don't quote me on this, but for now I have no intentions to change the "own action" Sacrament.

The whole point is, even, that you are stuck behind a wall and can't learn any more until you perform it. So your understanding changing over time is the very antithesis of the writer's cultist's-block you will experiment.

So, if we do make a Sacrament ourselves, how do we want to use the Secret Histories?
Hmm... pardon if I misunderstood your intentions. But allow me to make my point clearer, in case my wording has caused confusion.

So, uh... Achieving a Sacrament won't exactly prompt choices of "what next?". The choice of which sacrament to choose IS the "what next?" choice to begin with. That's in part what I meant when I said a Sacrament of your own action is not superior to an invitation.

Asking Baldomare for Sacrament will take you down a certain path, and using three actions to study your current History-memories will take you down another path.

They will, of course, be linked to the theme and basis of the Sacrament. But it's not something you will be able to precisely pinpoint without extrapolation.

Like it was mentioned, it is akin to choosing between the Colonel and the Lionsmith, for Edge. What exactly you will take from it is up to debate, but it will be linked to the patron you chose.
 
Mmm, I dunno tbh. I do find your posts to frequently be very hard to parse, which is I think what the rule is talking about. We'll see if anyone else agrees, I guess. If it's just me who's put off by it, I can just ignore the posts.
I can sort of understand when I'm splitting a specific post (not counting the actual updates I'm reacting to), and I'll try to avoid that, but if I'm quoting more users in one post.. well, it's either that, or making multiple posts (which would mean double-triple-xple posting, which is probably worse).

my posts can be a bit... complex, but that sometime happens because I'm answering to whatever caught my eye in the previous x pages.


EDIT: also everything Birdbodhisattva said. I imagine a "live" reaction offers something that a "post everything at the end" reaction doesn't.

Not worse, but they tackle the thing from two different directions and in different ways.

And about answers to multiple posts... well, as he says. It's either one post answering to many (and quotes are quite needed there to "separate" the answers, NOT answering to some at all, or multiple posts.

And multiple posts are, I think, generally worse. The occasional one is fine, but having 3 or 4 posts in a row would become annoying pretty soon for everyone I imagine.
-Keep in mind that there are no superior options. The effort to achieve Sacrament through "actions of your own" will not make the direction your Lore studies take "better" or "superior".
SECRET HISTORIES
Actions of your own: Delve deeper into your own perception. Perform, three times, an action dedicated to studying the memories and glimpses you have of other Histories. [Costs one action each] [Is a dangerous action]
Invitation: Baldomare, the mysterious creature that inhabits the Blank Plains, might be willing to offer you Sacrament. [Summoning Baldomare required for further information]

question: you say no direction is better/superior, but am I right in assuming that, for example, the sacrament Baldomare would offer and the one we'd achieve would give us different benefits?

Or all sacraments unlock the chance to choose our own path, and these choices have nothing to do with the way we unlock the choice itself (as in, it doesn't matter if we have Baldomare unlock SH Sacrament or we do it with our actions, we get the same possible choices)?



Right now I'm likely leaning towards Baldomare invitation.. depending on her price. I doubt she'd offer it for free, but the price should be relatively reasonable.

Let me just mention that if you had chosen to purchase the Artifact next turn, and studied it on the turn AFTER the Canterlotian book search, the grief would have been Wolf-worthy.

"If only we had this re-roll LAST TURN"

Shame you decided to go for it this turn...
In regard to this.. in hindsight, it makes a LOT of sense.

After all, while "a realization" can shake you, a "confidant certainty" is usually comes with acceptance, and has a calming effect.


Hmm... pardon if I misunderstood your intentions. But allow me to make my point clearer, in case my wording has caused confusion.

So, uh... Achieving a Sacrament won't exactly prompt choices of "what next?". The choice of which sacrament to choose IS the "what next?" choice to begin with. That's in part what I meant when I said a Sacrament of your own action is not superior to an invitation.

Asking Baldomare for Sacrament will take you down a certain path, and using three actions to study your current History-memories will take you down another path.

They will, of course, be linked to the theme and basis of the Sacrament. But it's not something you will be able to precisely pinpoint without extrapolation.

Like it was mentioned, it is akin to choosing between the Colonel and the Lionsmith, for Edge. What exactly you will take from it is up to debate, but it will be linked to the patron you chose.
ok, so Baldomare Sacrament and "through our actions" sacrament are different.

Do we get to know what Baldomare's sacrament would do/mean BEFORE taking it? Do we only get the one single "do it yourself" option, or is there a chance of unlocking alternative sacraments that we could go for?

If we go through the three actions required to unlock our sacrament, but we end up not liking the effects, could we instead decide to go for the Baldomare's version?

Is there any way to go for "multiple" paths?
 
Do we get to know what Baldomare's sacrament would do/mean BEFORE taking it? Do we only get the one single "do it yourself" option, or is there a chance of unlocking alternative sacraments that we could go for?

If we go through the three actions required to unlock our sacrament, but we end up not liking the effects, could we instead decide to go for the Baldomare's version?

Is there any way to go for "multiple" paths?
"No" for all of the above (and again, don't quote me on this, but for now the "actions of your own" options will not change, and no new ones will be offered).

A Sacrament is a commitment.

"A scar, like a betrayal, cannot be taken back".
 
I think that if Pittauro's reaction-to-chapter posts are too uncomfortable to read for someone, they can just... Not read it. Honestly, that's what I'm doing most of the time :D
Seriously. It's indeed a pain to read them, but they're obviously targeted towards people that don't feel pain from reading them, and, considering the amount of reactions these posts get, it's quite successful. It's not like someone is harmed by it. Attempts to stop Pittauro from posting his chapter-reactions because its painful to read is literally attempts to stop people from having harmless fun because you can't enjoy it.
 
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mh.. there's a strong implication that there's (at least) as many ways to focus on a lore as there are people, and that we're basically choosing between "our path" and "someone else's path" for each sacrament.


...We probably don't want to choose the Master's "way of the moth" then. Not over our own. Not after Jade just expressed her worry about us not being ourselves anymore.


Honestly, I'm strongly inclined to go our own path for each lore.. though I suppose I could be convinced otherwise, at least in some cases.

Still, asking Baldomare about her own "sacrament" versions, and the path she took with Lantern and SH would be wise. It's, in a way, the decision between going for somethink known versus something unknown.

Unknown could be better or worse. It will also be "OUR" path, no matter what.

I think that if Pittauro's reaction posts are too uncomfortable to read for someone, they can just... Not read it. Honestly, that's what I'm doing with it most of the time :D
..I'm conflicted between being thankful for the "support", and being.. somewhat amusingly offended? It's a strange feeling :rofl:
 
..I'm conflicted between being thankful for the "support", and being.. somewhat amusingly offended? It's a strange feeling :rofl:
Speaking of, can anyone here explain the meaning of "bemused" to me? It feels like it would be a good word for this, but I've never really understood it at all on anything but an intuitive level, even after dictionaries.

Teach me, SV! You're my only (remaining) hope!
 
Speaking of, can anyone here explain the meaning of "bemused" to me? It feels like it would be a good word for this, but I've never really understood it at all on anything but an intuitive level, even after dictionaries.

Teach me, SV! You're my only (remaining) hope!
from what I know, it's sort of a less intense "confused" or "perplexed".

Then again, english is not my first language, so maybe someone else can go in more details?
 
Actions of your own: Delve deeper into your own perception. Perform, three times, an action dedicated to studying the memories and glimpses you have of other Histories. [Costs one action each] [Is a dangerous action]
I can see two ways of reading what you describe here. One way is that we have a new action "delved deeper into your own perception (0/3)", which we can use to further this path, the same way we have a [to paraphrase] "explore the Ascent of Knives (0/2)" action. A second way is that we have an action to use our SH 3 talent in a similar way to how we might use the Reflection of the Tapestry ritual, where we specify what we are looking at or looking for and dive into our perception to search.

A different way of framing the question. Is this action primarily a step along the path towards the Sacrament? Or does it serve its own goals, with enlightenment being not-so-much a prize of our actions but a consequence?
 
Speaking of, can anyone here explain the meaning of "bemused" to me? It feels like it would be a good word for this, but I've never really understood it at all on anything but an intuitive level, even after dictionaries.

Teach me, SV! You're my only (remaining) hope!
Differences between amused and bemused, as I understand them. (WARNING: Eng is 3rd language, so get a second opinion!)

-Amused: Funny, brings a smile even as it exasperates you. Ex: Silky's hug charges leave Velvet amused time after time.

-Bemused: confused by action/reaction, but on a lesser level than shocked/bewildered. Ex: The constant negativity surrounding Windy always leave poor little Dawn bemused.
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Not sure if it's one of those words that have a different meaning based on context though, as I've seen be-mused used in place of a-mused far too often.
Totally intentional :tongue:
But seriously. Attempts to stop Pittauro from posting his chapter-reactions because its painful to read is literally attempts to stop people from having harmless fun because you can't enjoy it.
Eh, he did say if he was the only one feeling that way that he would just skip them, so it's not like he was that angry over it or such.

It's more like... it annoyed him, I guess?

Edit: Grammar, because auto-correct, and punctuation.
 
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I'm personally leaning towards going for our own Sacrament instead of Baldomares. Although i must admit i would love to know what hers is, i think that it really just.. fits for us to dig into our own History. (Also it'll hopefully be tuned to reflect what we personally would like, i trust you QM!!)
 
I'm personally leaning towards going for our own Sacrament instead of Baldomares. Although i must admit i would love to know what hers is, i think that it really just.. fits for us to dig into our own History. (Also it'll hopefully be tuned to reflect what we personally would like, i trust you QM!!)
well, we quite literally know nothing about Baldomare's SH inclination, and further speculation should probably wait until we get to actually have a real discussion with her.

We can, instead, speculate about our OWN version of the sacrament.

first, I want to mention the SH 4 description has been added to to Velvet's sheet.

-Level 4: Coincidences do not exist. Alignments exist. Cause and effect exists. The logic that determines where a lightning is most likely to strike exists. But coincidences do not exist. Not, at least, in the superstitious way that most ponies believe they do. (Further +5 when attempting to find something. Gains a single re-roll for Secret Histories per month/turn, to be used on the result that would benefit Velvet Covers the most.)

Coincidences do not exist. Everything happen for a reason.

Of course that reason could always not be a good or satisfying one...




now, back to the sacrament talk
Actions of your own: Delve deeper into your own perception. Perform, three times, an action dedicated to studying the memories and glimpses you have of other Histories. [Costs one action each] [Is a dangerous action]

Velvet's sacrament is focused on the self. It seems reasonable to presume the effects and the direction of our SH will then be centered on herself, and, to be more precise, on her alternate selfs.

I imagine her path would, in the long term, lead to perfect awareness of all the paths the other Velvets could have taken, and their possible results.

This has both obvious dangers, and INCREDIBLY powerful benefits


First, the dangers: By immersing herself so deeply in her other selves' lives and perceptions, she risks losing touch with her own history/reality. She risks disconnecting from her families and friends.

I don't think I really need to talk more about this, we already saw how scared she was of this power in particular. Take that worry, and bring it up to 11. That's the risk we're facing.

She could be hit hard by other Velvets' failures. She could underestimate her problems because she saw some other Velvet face them and solve them.

She could try the same approach another Velvet took, and learn that no, it won't work the same for her.




But let's talk about the benefits: we're likely to gain full control of Velvets alternate postcognition.

We might be able to learn the consequences of, say, talking to Celestia or the Master, without actually doing so. We might learn the best approach to convince them to do things our way by looking at how other Velvets faced the same problem, and seeing what worked and what didn't.

Of course, there's always a chance the same approach won't work for us. Maybe we miss a key detail in our presentation, maybe what would have worked on the Master of Celestia one day wouldn't work on them the next one because they're in a different mood, or something happened to change their point of view... but still, it's more information on how they'd react, which IS an advantage.

What else? Maybe we want to learn what the consequence of a different path would have been, and learn from other Velvet's successed and mistakes.

What would have happened if we had brought Selene to Celestia? what if we brought her to the Master? What can we learn from their reactions in these scenarios?

What if we had been closer to Copper? We could have been there to learn and doubts and fears... but this way, we could learn them even without having been there.






I'll summarize Velvet's sacrament in a simple sentence: Velvet's sacrament is the power of "What if", applied to her own past. From that she can learn, and improve her actions, leading to a better future.




thoughts?
 
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