Deep Red (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
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I mean, okay. I'm not sure how i'm supposed to respond to that?
Raiseth
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By hitting me with a table?
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I don't understand why you keep bringing up the "consequences" we all know are going to be there anyways. I think you're assuming they are going to be life ending things for either akane or mitsuko, and that's a really extreme view to take.
Also Raiseth, I'd never hit you with a table. I appreciate the humor however.
Origami Clock
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I mean, PTSD clearly doesn't exist in the Avatar universe, right?
Oh wait, sorry, I was thinking of MLP.
The whole New World Order, 'advance tech' story model has been done to death, by decent writers and terrible ones, but the one thing they all share is that they tend be be or become a forgettable melange of number go up best exemplified in the Gamer and Planetary Annihilation fic genres.
Oh wait, sorry, I was thinking of MLP.
No offence, but your ideal goal is essentially just the ratfic power fantasy recycled once again into a setting and onto characters that just aren't suited for it.
The whole New World Order, 'advance tech' story model has been done to death, by decent writers and terrible ones, but the one thing they all share is that they tend be be or become a forgettable melange of number go up best exemplified in the Gamer and Planetary Annihilation fic genres.
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I think there's an untapped market for well written lesbian tech advancement and rule the world/stars stories.
Raiseth
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But but
Whyyyyyyyy not?
I intend to run this meme into the ground so hard the next time anyone sees it would be in Australia
Nope, that's like half of Worm fics.
Also, To The Stars could also count, depending on your definition of ruling the stars. Madoka still rocks that Space Jesus look tho.
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Give me one good example of a worm fic that's well written, has taylor as a lesbian and taylor rules the entire world literally and not just figuratively.
Because the idea of consequences doesn't seem to register very well.
Funnily enough, you can torpedo the quest without causing instant character death- though it's funny that you mention that as I think most viewers of the show will be aware of the other being to ascend into a celestial body in canon. That didn't go so well for Yue or everyone close to her, did it?
Then go write one instead? Preferably one that isn't centered around cheerleading and proping up a Kosm-confirmed fascist government that merrily commits war crimes, that's staffed by fascists, and that is going to continue being fascist unless the voters actively vote to change the whole sorry mess instead of being enablers for it?
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Raiseth
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Alright that's just cheating. "Well written", huh. What next?
Would you also like consistent characterization and interesting plot? Maybe even handholding?! You would, wouldn't you.
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Hey, you're the one that said half of the worm fics applied to all of my list, and I was disputing that.
Also, to Ugolino. From my perspective, the people who decided to piss off ozai to the point that ended up in a do or die situation are the ones who torpedoed the quest harder than choosing to conquer it will be. Also, you're making invalid assumptions about the sun goddess route. It's not about becoming a celestial body, it's about becoming more powerful.
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Origami Clock
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So it is just a power fantasy then.Hey, you're the one that said half of the worm fics applied to all of my list, and I was disputing that.
Also, to Ugolino. From my perspective, the people who decided to piss off ozai to the point that ended up in a do or die situation are the ones who torpedoed the quest harder than choosing to conquer it will be. Also, you're making invalid assumptions about the sun goddess route. It's not about becoming a celestial body, it's about becoming more powerful.
Like really, what's the point of being empress of everything? You have the biggest number, and if people say mean things about you you can set them on fire.
It just seems so...juvenile.
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Kosm originally started writing it as a way to have fun and relax while having some angst along the way. Then we started making all kinds of salt regarding the way the votes went, and it turned into something less fun for her.
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Ah yes, whom among us hasn't had fun and relaxed by imagining the machinery of conquest grinding up masses of human lives and turning them to dust.
People who don't play strategy games I imagine. Also a bit of a loaded way to put it.Ah yes, whom among us hasn't had fun and relaxed by imagining the machinery of conquest grinding up masses of human lives and turning them to dust.
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I mean. Mitsuko can probably cut up a mean dish.
"Clearly the people that didn't roll over at every chance for the literal WoG fascist and make Akane into a good little goosestepper were at fault, instead of the ones who successfully agitated for preventably burning her brother's face off out of OOC spite and in the face of common sense."Hey, you're the one that said half of the worm fics applied to all of my list, and I was disputing that.
Also, to Ugolino. From my perspective, the people who decided to piss off ozai to the point that ended up in a do or die situation are the ones who torpedoed the quest harder than choosing to conquer it will be. Also, you're making invalid assumptions about the sun goddess route. It's not about becoming a celestial body, it's about becoming more powerful.
And I wouldn't cherry pick like that with a public resource- let alone try and cite "you'll need all four elements" as a reason to burn the nations, enrage the spirits, and throw the world even further out of balance by murdering the child avatar, never mind the pathetic and broken mess of a person that would render Akane.
You want to play a butcher. You want to master all four elements. You want to throw the natural state of affairs out of balance and destroy the pivot the world rests on- and you think this will somehow make it possible to join the other spirits?
Does the fate of Admiral Zhao ring any bells or did you repress that part of the series because it didn't fit your headcanon?
Anyway, since we're playing the cherrypicking game, here's some relevant context for people that actually read the text rather than what they want to be written in it:
Capturing the avatar is basically another impossible task to add onto the others the wannabe conquerors have on their wishlist.
Here's just a sample of what you left out from your citation:
Sun Goddess path is long term- seeing a trend yet?- and considered a transformation. In other words, Akane won't be the same and it solves precisely none of her real problems in the quest.
The FN and sticking with its current approach and worldview are a fascist state.
Invasion and occupation will obviously not win loyalty from the oppressed.
Destroying the avatar fucks over the world.
Sun goddess could be costly if Akane acts like a mad dog and she can close that outcome off entirely.
The plot actively works against lunatics and for the Avatar in this setting.
I'd go on but frankly the imbalance and dismissal of canon, WoG and common sense by the conquest camp needs a proper autopsy post that isn't happening tonight.
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"The conquest and imperialism were supposed to be a fun, light-hearted romp!" is a pretty fuckin hot take, though, you've gotta admit.
Kosm literally said that the story would become darker if we focussed on that path.
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Raiseth
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I want a buddy cop show where Akane is a serious by the book princess and Mitsuko is an unstable loose cannon five decades away from retirement.
To clarify, yes, I did intend this quest as a low-pressure fanfiction just for fun. But it the conquest wasn't what I was focusing on when I created the quest. The point of the quest for me was character drama and family. We are getting to the point in Akane's life now where her decisions about how to interact with the war will be more open and will have more impact, though.
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Deep Red: "You are Akane, older sister of Zuko and Azula, and Crown Princess of the Fire Nation. And you think, someday, your father is going to kill you."
Low-pressure fanfiction, huh?
i kid, i kid. Dont hit me, please.
hurtcomfort lesbian drama is canon, then. Ok, lets do this.
Low-pressure fanfiction, huh?
i kid, i kid. Dont hit me, please.
hurtcomfort lesbian drama is canon, then. Ok, lets do this.
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I've never advocated for killing the avatar at all, as a one off or permanently. I have said that we would protect ourselves with necessary force if we are attacked, which is an entirely different thing. The fact that akane's ancestors committed genocide is an awful thing, and I'd be open to pretty much any course of action to try and make amends for that. Also, nothing you linked disputes anything I said. To me, Harmony and Balance is doing away with national borders. I also want to minimize death in the process however I can. I'd love to conquer the world with no deaths at all, but I realize that's not possible.
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