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- California
I can find a well intentioned extremist to be sympathetic within a story.
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Deep Red (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
- Thread starter kosm
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Gh055twr1t3r
Idle Prophet
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- United States
I mean, I'm a quester. I vote for options I think are good or correct. I don't go full heel unless that's the point of the quest or in-character. I've figured that "
You want Akane to conquer the world. You can't conquer the world without killing a lot of people. The 100 year war has made the Fire Nation the bad guys since we committed genocide on the Air Nomads beforehand and have labour camps. Even if we stop the labour camps there's still holding the entirety of the Earth Kingdom while quelling rebellions which is a logistical nightmare. The people will hate us. Rebellions will start. You stop the rebellions by killing the people rebelling. You think this is fine because its fictional. I don't think its fine because I sympathize with fictional characters, which includes Akane, and I don't think that's the happy ending. I don't think that Akane wants to kill a lot of people. You think she's fine with it. This is our disconnect.
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Bro, I'm a secular humanist in real life. The idea of real people killing each other makes me sick. I'd rather you didn't put my personal ethics to question because of the choices I make in a work of fiction with no real people involved.
Gh055twr1t3r
Idle Prophet
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- United States
No, I don't think you're a horrible person. I'm sorry if I came across as saying that. I'm saying that you're stated goal of having Akane conquer the world is a horrible ending. The decision-making necessary to get to that point will change Akane into being either a horrible person or a monster. I want you to either admit that that's the ending you want or convince me that we can avoid that somehow. This isn't an attack on you. This is an attack on your idea of how the quest develop.
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- California
Utopia Justifies the Means - TV Tropes
I'm saying I don't want to fall into the moral event horizon to do it, but i'm willing to be a well intentioned villain who rules with benevolence.
I'm saying I don't want to fall into the moral event horizon to do it, but i'm willing to be a well intentioned villain who rules with benevolence.
Gh055twr1t3r
Idle Prophet
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- United States
Okay fair point. I don't think a utopia like that is possible in the world of Avatar. Specifically, I don't think the Fire Nation can maintain that. Ozai more or less pointed holes in that idea in the last update. It's a logistical nightmare. We can't actually hold the entirety of the Earth Kingdom while quelling rebellions. Also, you can't build a utopia if everyone hates your guts.
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- California
I respect your position, and agree with you on most of your points here. I still want to try though.
Gh055twr1t3r
Idle Prophet
- Location
- United States
Okay. I respect your decision but I will fight against it nonetheless. May the votes decide.
- Location
- California
Guys, we need to stop with the rudeness on all sides here. It's really stressing out the QM, and I really really don't want the quest to end because people have differences and take it out poorly on each other. I apologize for the rude things i've said to everyone, and I'm going to make a serious effort to be kinder to everyone. Please, let's just enjoy the quest however it goes please.
WinterLantern
Smoked bird
- Location
- North England
Is it odd that i'd be fine with Akane becoming a monster conquering the world? It'd be interesting to read imo
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- Heaven
I'm not. I'm here for an Akane quest not Ozai quest.
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- The Library
Guys, If Akane's goal is not to conquer the world, what is it?
Seriously, if she stops, she dies, she's already a villain, perhaps if she left to capture the avatar, then we could make it so that the avatar subverted her.
What else is there for the princess of a successful, rich empire if not to expand the empire's reach somehow, economically, politically or militarily?
Seriously, if she stops, she dies, she's already a villain, perhaps if she left to capture the avatar, then we could make it so that the avatar subverted her.
What else is there for the princess of a successful, rich empire if not to expand the empire's reach somehow, economically, politically or militarily?
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- California
It's fine for you to pursue whatever path you want.
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
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- USA, Earth
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- She/Her
Escape her abusive father.
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- Here & There
Legalize gay marriage.
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- ...
Gay strong genious female fight toxic alpha male.
many interesting, much drama, such brave. But i prefer it to be, at best, a sideplot.
RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
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- USA, Earth
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- She/Her
To what?
What goal in the entire setting would actually be more challenging than defeating Ozai, without requiring the defeat of Ozai as a prerequisite?
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See, now its "defeat of Ozai"! Maybe you mean even politically! Maybe you actually want to see him as cunning politician and not as abusive father! maybe you also want to see process of building reputation, powerbase and other political and military staff. Maybe you also want to see how beeing stuck on wrong side of war making Akane life harder(edit: or easier)! Maybe you also want "Escape her abusive father" to be just an obvious allegory and not overdone hurtcomfort story!
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RadiantPhoenix
Trudging up the Hill
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- USA, Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her
You're the one who introduced "defeat Ozai" and then said it should be a sideplot.
I was pointing out that even escaping Ozai would require more effort on Akane's part than world conquest would.
EDIT: Or, at least, pointing out that it would be another goal for her to work towards.
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- The Library
Really, escape? Just run away, do nothing about anything else and just run away? Then what?
Also, then what's the point of being a princess?
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Oh, im sorry. I didnt notice where you "was pointing escaping Ozai would require more effort on Akane's part than world conquest would"
like a side mission! or a subplot! edit: or allegory! Good idea im all for it!
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- Here & There
Honestly seems like a good question that Akane needs to address because so far capitulating to Ozai is doing her royalty status and her personal health no favors.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
It was all a tactical maneuver to get semi-exiled to the Earth Kingdom in order to find the sturdiest, heaviest, most murderous table in the world because Akane heard a rumour the Earth Kingdom's furniture is way more ugly and durable than the Fire Nation's.
( or at least I hope so )
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Possible Quest End:
- Drop a table on Ozai and declare yourself emancipated/renounce him as the father he could never be.
- Get married with Mitsuko and slap anyone who protests with a table.
- Either Azula or Zuko gets the throne. Gift the other one a table as a consolation prize. A very nice table.
- Defeat the Avatar. At Pai Sho. Flip the table once victorious.
- Help that Tanaka dude find a girlfriend, because he seems like a cool guy after all. Or maybe just gift him a table.
Actually:
- Find your calling as the world's first Table Bender. Or just as a carpenter. That makes the best, deadliests tables in the world. That would be OK, too.
Who cares about thrones? Thrones are chairs, not tables.
- Drop a table on Ozai and declare yourself emancipated/renounce him as the father he could never be.
- Get married with Mitsuko and slap anyone who protests with a table.
- Either Azula or Zuko gets the throne. Gift the other one a table as a consolation prize. A very nice table.
- Defeat the Avatar. At Pai Sho. Flip the table once victorious.
- Help that Tanaka dude find a girlfriend, because he seems like a cool guy after all. Or maybe just gift him a table.
Actually:
- Find your calling as the world's first Table Bender. Or just as a carpenter. That makes the best, deadliests tables in the world. That would be OK, too.
Who cares about thrones? Thrones are chairs, not tables.
- Location
- California
Possible Quest End:
Become sun goddess
Rule the entire world, change national policies to be more humane.
Legalize gay marriage, marry mitsuko.
Develop more advanced tech.
Expand into the stars and conquer the universe.
Become sun goddess
Rule the entire world, change national policies to be more humane.
Legalize gay marriage, marry mitsuko.
Develop more advanced tech.
Expand into the stars and conquer the universe.