Does Anonkun have ranked voting? It might not do much with the binary choices, but could it help make better a clearer consensus when it can apply?
Deep Red (Avatar: The Last Airbender)
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But anyway, I have come to the conclusion that arguing here is practically useless and anybody willing to contribute meaningfully will be present for the quest anyway and will surely be reasonable enough to be convincing so I will see them there rather than clog things up here with arguments that boil down to "No you were mean", "No you are wrong."
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Well, there were some things treading the line, for sure.
Look, I'm sorry that you seem intent on derailing things again by making it personal, but you're just going to have to come to terms with the fact that people have impressions of the voterbase/quest and ideas for how to handle them that may differ from those of a small gaggle of established voters insisting that everything is fine at length.
I think its entirely reasonable to think Deep red would benefit from changes to how voters approach things due to their mixed track record and adding new blood seems like the easiest way to do that. A lot of the ideas/memes being pushed atm seem counterproductive- and new voters may well know to avoid problems many of the current ones can't or won't.
Basically, my sole goal here is to read a voter screw-up free Deep Red and no matter how defensive one gets, that isn't what the votes chat is currently providing.
You guys can make that happen- if you see an update in progress, just vote for what makes sense.
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Rule 3 - Be Civil: Blowing up at other users is not civil.
You know, Ugolino, I spent quite a lot of time trying to avoid tagging in - trying to avoid dealing with whatever BS was going on over here, because posting when I'm annoyed or angry is a fantastic way to get into trouble. I even slept on this post for a while and made it a lot more polite than it originally was, because I thought that you might have had some decent, if rather combative and obtuse opinions.
Well, having had some time to sleep and waking up to see this mess, I'm going to be as polite but as frank as I can be here.
You, Ugolino, are just as bad as the so-called "incompetents" you claim to be above, except unlike those people, you won't even grace us "low-life rabble" with your enlightened presence. Instead, you seem quite content to sit upon your ivory tower, flicking boogys down at those "beneath" you while scoffing at their "poor choices." You see, Ugolino, I find this to be f*cking infuriating, because you are so content that you know the "right plan" and yet are unwilling to actually try to take part in the quest - instead, you seem content to put down the people actually trying to do stuff and vote while hiding behind the walls of this forum.
So, I'm going to speak my mind - f*ck off with your self-important bullsh*t. You go out of your way to antagonize the anonkun voters for being stupid, when you really should be taking a good long look at your own behavior.
Stop: Let's Calm Down
Algalon
Herald of the Titans
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let's calm down
Alright, everybody take a deep breath to calm down and maybe step away from the keyboard for a few minutes.
@Antix_Shadows , if you think somebody is breaking the rules, the use the Report function. Repeatedly bringing up your perceived slights has done nothing but derailed the thread but also almost started a shouting match. If you cannot get along with somebody else, then there is always the Ignore function. Take a Staff Notice and a 24 hour break from this thread to calm down.
@Kufufu this post of yours did not help at all. If somebody feels they are under attack from you, then responding with examples of what a 'real insult' would look like is not going to make things better. Quite the contrary, in fact. Also, no matter how polite you word it or try to justify it behind "just making an example", this was still directing insults towards Antix-Shadows and the exact opposite of being mindful of the situation at hand. Take 25 points and a three-day threadban.
I would like for everybody to take this to heart: If you feel attacked or mocked, or just plain cannot get along with a certain person, then make use of the Report and Ignore functions. Responding to incivility with further incivility is like fighting fire with more fire. All you get is an inferno, or in this case a thread devolving into a shouting match. Please respect your fellow users and be mindful of how your posting could be received. In the end, we're all here to enjoy ourselves.
I apologize for the interruption and thank you for your attention. Thread re-opened.
@Antix_Shadows , if you think somebody is breaking the rules, the use the Report function. Repeatedly bringing up your perceived slights has done nothing but derailed the thread but also almost started a shouting match. If you cannot get along with somebody else, then there is always the Ignore function. Take a Staff Notice and a 24 hour break from this thread to calm down.
@Kufufu this post of yours did not help at all. If somebody feels they are under attack from you, then responding with examples of what a 'real insult' would look like is not going to make things better. Quite the contrary, in fact. Also, no matter how polite you word it or try to justify it behind "just making an example", this was still directing insults towards Antix-Shadows and the exact opposite of being mindful of the situation at hand. Take 25 points and a three-day threadban.
same goes for you, @S-159A1 . If Kufufu's behavior infuriates you, then either report any posts you believe are not civil. Telling him to "fuck off" is the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. Take 25 points and a 3-day threadban as well.
I would like for everybody to take this to heart: If you feel attacked or mocked, or just plain cannot get along with a certain person, then make use of the Report and Ignore functions. Responding to incivility with further incivility is like fighting fire with more fire. All you get is an inferno, or in this case a thread devolving into a shouting match. Please respect your fellow users and be mindful of how your posting could be received. In the end, we're all here to enjoy ourselves.
I apologize for the interruption and thank you for your attention. Thread re-opened.
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Not quite ranked, but you can vote for as many options as you like, if the QM has it turned on. Kosm usually does that, so you can vote for add ins and things.
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The problem with that line of reasoning is that, barring a repeat of the "Phoenix King" thing that put Azula on the throne for a day, Akane's chances of actually ending up on the throne of the Fire Nation are pretty much zero.There is this thing called subtlety, you might want to try it.
Right now, we're not trying to plot treason with the army. I seriously doubt that we'll take over the Fire Nation by military might, when the world itself pushes protagonist logic where individuals like Iroh and Aang can decide the fate of entire nations. We're building a powerbase so that the army won't resist when we take over, be it by Agni Kai, "tragic accident" with a table, or "foreign assassins".
In short, we probably won't directly involve the army in our coup, we just need to make sure Ozai can't use it against us when the time comes.
Putting aside the fact that Akane would be required to marry a guy and produce a biological heir. And even assuming the wheels of Destiny weren't already turning to put Zuko on the throne. There's very little chance Iroh would actually support Akane over Zuko given Akane's similarity to Ozai and Azula.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
If you have the support of the military and other big wigs-and considering that for all intents and purposes Akane is still heir aparent to the throne for the public. We still are able to maneuver, you've set yourself completely into one course of action and dont believe anything else can produce results.
Also on to the other matter there is an argument to be made about improving the voterbase considering the prevalent sentiment of Zuko haters, admitted and not and the ever present worry of vote rigging since it is far too simple to do so in Anonkun.
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But Akane's not going to have that support.
There is a little more then 2 years till the Avatar awakens and everything kicks off. Most, if not all of that time, is going to be spent in the Earth kingdom and or Fire Nation colonies far away from the people she would actually have to politically connect too.
On top of that, the one way that still exists for Akane to quickly build up a political bloc now that she has burned her bridges with Iroh, IE through a marriage to the son of a leader of an already existing bloc, is locked out to Akane.
In the end, the most Akane could potentially hope for given her position is the support of a few field commanders and maybe a couple of governors from the Fire Nation colony's. And that's nowhere near enough to overcome Iroh's already existent mainland support bloc and the fact that Zuko is, oddly enough, really good at making alliances with people.
Tyran
Blatant Product Placement (pro bono)
There is another way to get the throne, but you aren't going to like it, much less the voterbase.
Hijack Canon, get the support of the Avatar and other foreign backers. Iroh will fold against such support. But again I doubt you would like it, much less the voterbase.
Hijack Canon, get the support of the Avatar and other foreign backers. Iroh will fold against such support. But again I doubt you would like it, much less the voterbase.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Why is everyone discussing options for taking the Fire Nation Throne like it's a good thing? I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Seriously tho, what's wrong with being a political advisor to Zuko, for example, while having more discretion and opportunity to live with your waifu and baby sword?
*looks at Zuko haters*
*looks at Glorious Empire of Sun will rise again supporters*
*looks at why don't we become the sun goddess campers*
Oh, right.
Still think my priorities are better.
*looks at Zuko haters*
*looks at Glorious Empire of Sun will rise again supporters*
*looks at why don't we become the sun goddess campers*
Oh, right.
Still think my priorities are better.
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That might have been possible if the voters had started building the characterization necessary for pulling that off back when Akane was a young child.
But they took Akane down the Azula personality route instead of the Zuko one.
I disagree a bit. She's done a good job overall, but Kosm has made mistakes and to say that she hasn't is blind.
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The Fire Lord's will is absolute, so once we have the throne we make our own rules and won't need to marry.
And why would we need Iroh's support? Ozai has pretty much eliminated his brother's supporters from all influential positions. Iroh doesn't have a powerbase since Ozai was far more cunning than in canon.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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Two years is a pretty short time to coup the firelord given he is in a well-established position lol
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If you think "The Fire Lords will is absolute" is an actual thing, I have an invisible Airbender bridge over the Great Divide to sell you. :lol
Fact is, as Zuko found out after taking the position, even if the people love you and you have the support of the entire Military through Iroh, you're going to be politically fighting tooth and nail to actually get stuff done, all the while having to dodge assassins and coup plots.
And that was just with Zuko making minor changes.
Try to make a major one like abolishing the unbroken Imperial line, and Akane would be overthrown for Zuko before the month is out.
Ozai got Iroh to leave to keep people from rallying around him...
Further, the idea that Iroh doesn't have a power base completely ignores the fact that he is the Grand Lotus.
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I mean, it's not actually necessary? I'm sure there must be procedures or at least precedent for allowing the Fire Lord to be succeeded by a close relative who isn't their direct offspring. It's not strict primogeniture for certain, given that Ozai was able to succeed Azulon.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
You should probably be more specific.
Fair enough.
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Azulon to Ozai was still a direct line of inheritance.
And allowing anything other then direct line of inheritance outside of extreme circumstances like the entire royal family being killed quickly leads to succession crisis. So any even half way operational inheritance based government quickly patches those sorts of loopholes or doesn't tend to survive.
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