...Kyne? As in, the Nordic goddess of storms?

Is this a subtle Elder Scrolls crossover/fusion?
Yes, that Kyne. And eeeh, *waggles hand*, depends on how you want to read it. The religion involved only features Kyne herself and isn't particularly tied to Elder Scrolls lore. It's primarily just a reference meant to build out Taylor's character and, to an extent, her mother's.
 
So will Legend eventually join the colony so that it's not just lesbians:V (Why is there no other gay man in worm)
I'll have you know, there's currently no lesbians on Tǩóymos! Taylor's demisexual (and favors girls), and Emily's bi (favoring girls).
She called it a cult, that's where the "nut" comes from
Cult of (Deity) was the standard way of referring to the devotees of a specific deity in a polytheistic environment. IE, Cult of Apollo or Cult of Horus.
 
Taylor was established to be mildly religious last chapter, and her circumstances are the kind that can make people more religious. Also, not liking your implication that people who are actively religious are nuts.
I mean, I know people of different faiths who are actively religious and I wouldn't call them nuts. However, if someone I know actively and honestly started to believe in and worship gods from a video game, then I'd probably call them nuts.

Now, I did look through the thread and found your explanation, that it is an existing minor religion in your Earth-Bet, which means I wouldn't call Taylor nutty for following it. However, without that extra info, which is not available in the story posts, it did look to me that Taylor was a fan of the Elder Scrolls and just started praying to one of their gods for some unknown reason. Which did make me question her a bit.
 
I mean, I know people of different faiths who are actively religious and I wouldn't call them nuts. However, if someone I know actively and honestly started to believe in and worship gods from a video game, then I'd probably call them nuts.

Now, I did look through the thread and found your explanation, that it is an existing minor religion in your Earth-Bet, which means I wouldn't call Taylor nutty for following it. However, without that extra info, which is not available in the story posts, it did look to me that Taylor was a fan of the Elder Scrolls and just started praying to one of their gods for some unknown reason. Which did make me question her a bit.
If what Mom had taught me was right, that was as good a sign as any that the Storm Hawk wanted me to stop moping.
This bit from the first part of the new chapter establishes it in-story. I hadn't thought to get it in the chapter before that, but I did set it up that this isn't just something Taylor's doing on her own.
 
This bit from the first part of the new chapter establishes it in-story. I hadn't thought to get it in the chapter before that, but I did set it up that this isn't just something Taylor's doing on her own.
That's fair, I forgot about that sentence when I wrote my post.

It's just personally, it felt a bit, I don't know, weird? a bit off? off-putting? Really not sure what the right word to describe it is. I've nothing against making Taylor religious, or making her believe in a non-IRL religion. I doubt I would've stopped to think about it, if she had prayed/thanked a "generic" nature deity, aside from maybe a quick "huh, that's a neat idea". It's just by using a deity from a game series that I play quite a lot, it pulls me a bit out of the story, as I start wondering about the reason and consequences (e.g. is this actually a crossover? Will we see the other divines or daedra? Why does she [and her mother] believe in it? etc.). The same would've happened if she had prayed to other deities that are closely related to a game/book/show, like Arceus or Andraste.
 
I think you mean 'morale boost' here? Given the effects it had on Taylor, I don't really think we can class this particular fruit as providing a moral boost... although to be fair, insulting Emma and Nazis are both moral options, so there's that.
The errant E has been found and put in place.
 
Taylor is certainly picking up. The only thing I can say is that she got her priority straight.
 
So, as far as I know, most Worm universes (that is, canon and various fics, not in-universe alternate Earths) are atheist materialist, but I'm starting to wonder if this is one of the minority that isn't.

Either that, or possibly Taylor's power has some undocumented component that looked at her religion and went "Sure, why not?".


Sandy River DL said:
The PRT's response will get addressed in the Emma Interlude, but it boils down if they believe the by then third-hand accounting.
Yeah, sure, Zenith is new... but she joined up with the Heroes voluntarily and has a useful power. Her accuser, meanwhile, was not only a villain with known antiauthoritarian views, but one who was clearly high at the time the accusation was made. On the one hand, the PRT could decide to take the accusation seriously, which is a waste of time, an embarrassment, and a blow to Wards morale if it's false and an even bigger embarrassment and a loss of badly needed capepower if it's true... oooor they could just sweep it under the rug using any of a number of plausible excuses, hoping either it indeed isn't true or, if it is, Emma will shape up in her new environment.

So, uh. Yeah, right after Taylor said anything about it, I was wondering if something would come of it... but after a bit of thought, it doesn't seem particularly likely, at least in the near term.

Now, here's another thing to worry about, though: that not-orange Taylor threw. Where did it end up, and is anyone going to analyze it? Probably not, if if they do, and given how likely that "they" might be to include Nazis... Well, I'm not sure at the moment what they could actually do with the information that it's no known fruit, but it seems like it's more of a risk than them not having that information.
 
So, as far as I know, most Worm universes (that is, canon and various fics, not in-universe alternate Earths) are atheist materialist, but I'm starting to wonder if this is one of the minority that isn't.
If I can do what I hope to do, that'll be a lingering question never answered either way.

As for the rest? Later~
 
I mean, if you were from Bet and had the opportunity to get into a tropical getaway free from all of the madness and Idiotball tainted ground water, wouldn't you take it, even if you had to help build it?

Hell, we're not even from Earth-Bet and we'd probably take that offer. Work is more satisfying when we can actually see something come of it rather than spiraling in the Sisyphean capitalism nightmare that we live in currently.
 
So, uh. Yeah, right after Taylor said anything about it, I was wondering if something would come of it... but after a bit of thought, it doesn't seem particularly likely, at least in the near term.

And of course, when the PRT/PRoT finds out that Taylor is an Interdimensional Colonization Tinker... well, that's going to be the greatest interlude ever. I live for the "oh shit we dun goofed like nobodies goofed before" scenes xD
 
I figure they'd at least have someone look into it so they're not taken by surprise if it is true, but it probably wouldn't be a high-priority investigation.
 
I wonder if any other cults will end up represented here. A goddess of the hunt and wild places is good for a frontier survivalist, but once you move onto agriculture and building an actual settlement you might expect to see a deity of the harvest, the hearth, and potentially the sea given their location. To be seen, I supposed.
The PRT's response will get addressed in the Emma Interlude, but it boils down if they believe the by then third-hand accounting. As for how Emma's on patrol this fast? Combat cape, plus Piggot.
Given Taylor was also tripping hard and throwing around potentially potentially biotinkered drugged fruits, I'm guessing this will be relatively easy to write off as "She was stoned and had no idea who I was".
 
Cult of (Deity) was the standard way of referring to the devotees of a specific deity in a polytheistic environment. IE, Cult of Apollo or Cult of Horus
I see. I think if I were a group of people worshiping deity and called ourselves a cult in the past I might think about rebranding in the modern climate. Lot of people probably don't hear cult and think good things nowadays
 
Yes, that Kyne. And eeeh, *waggles hand*, depends on how you want to read it. The religion involved only features Kyne herself and isn't particularly tied to Elder Scrolls lore. It's primarily just a reference meant to build out Taylor's character and, to an extent, her mother's.

The issue that I have with this is that it doesn't expand Taylor's characterization; instead it makes Taylor into a different Taylor, splitting her into two; the Taylor of Neolithic I through IV, and the Taylor of V and VI; more so in VI than in V.

The Taylor of Neolithic I through IV is methodical and practical, with a major axe to grind against a lot of people, most especially the people who held power or authority over her who failed her, which is literally all of them. That the Taylor of Neolithic V and VI is religious at all is jarring. The fact that you have a Taylor with serious listed issues against Authority figures praising anyone for anything at all - and yes, Gods and Goddesses are Authority figures - does not compute with her prior authority issues; this can be reconciled but not without rewriting a good deal of Neolithic I through IV.

The last line of the quote in particular makes the disconnect between the two Taylors even worse, because it was added to the story after the base characterization was done; something done without thinking anything through and without asking yourself the following question: 'Would this character as described so far be like this?'

The rough equivalent for what you've done here is taking a Christian, and showing them praising Christ and God for their good fortune in chapters one through four, but then in chapter five they suddenly praise Zeus for the same sort of things instead, with no explanation or buildup. It's very weird.

Could the Taylor of I through IV do the same things in parts V and VI? Yes, she'd do almost all of them; she found traces of the Hot Springs in III, she's been searching for local sources of food this entire time, she's wanted more people in the village she's building for at least two parts, etc. She would have different expressions and expectations about it; different words and reactions.

Would the Taylor of V and VI do the same things as the Taylor of parts I through IV? Probably, but she would have had different reactions and phrasing in a lot of places.

Is it possible to reconcile these two Taylors into one being? I don't think so. Is it possible to rewrite it, so that either the religious aspect is missing or more prevalent, absolutely. It's relatively easy, as the differences aren't huge; they are the same person in many ways, but they aren't the same, and that's a key issue in character continuity.

There are also the larger plot implications. Being religious, especially a minor religion like this Kyne worship is implied to be, would absolutely be something Taylor was bullied for. Likely repeatedly, as she would seek solace in it, and her doing so would be a tool to use against her.

It also can't be a minor bit of characterization, because of what the existence of 'Kyne' and related Cult/s implies about the wider world; Taylor being some kind of pagan, Wiccan, etc., would require less worldbuilding to support it and have less impact, but not no impact.

TL;DR: Whether you want to use this bit of characterization or not you'll need to rewrite at least some of what you've already written to make everything mesh better.
 
i agree with the person above me.

Though I have to say I find turning a canonically atheist character into a religious one is distasteful in my opinion if its not actually required for plot. Cause being religious despite what people say changes you down to how you view the world. Faith is required and a person like taylor should be having a major lack of faith. So to make it work you would have to change events to reinforce this faith and give us a reason she hasn't abandoned it. It being something passed down by her mom is a good starting point.

But what I'm really trying to get here is this is a major character change that didn't need to happen and will have a drastic impact on the story despite what you think unless you plan on acting like said religion doesn't actually exist, then again what is the point of the change in the first place?

also for fleshing out the mom, she was a feminist that spent time in lustrum's gang canonically so if anything an ideology would be passed down instead of an obscure religion though even this would be an unnecessary change for the sake of change.
 
i agree with the person above me.

Though I have to say I find turning a canonically atheist character into a religious one is distasteful in my opinion if its not actually required for plot. Cause being religious despite what people say changes you down to how you view the world. Faith is required and a person like taylor should be having a major lack of faith. So to make it work you would have to change events to reinforce this faith and give us a reason she hasn't abandoned it. It being something passed down by her mom is a good starting point.

But what I'm really trying to get here is this is a major character change that didn't need to happen and will have a drastic impact on the story despite what you think unless you plan on acting like said religion doesn't actually exist, then again what is the point of the change in the first place?

also for fleshing out the mom, she was a feminist that spent time in lustrum's gang canonically so if anything an ideology would be passed down instead of an obscure religion though even this would be an unnecessary change for the sake of change.
Wildbow had everyone having largely abandoned religion for reasons that have, historically, made religion stronger. Which is dumb. Taylor being religious here is as much a result of me ignoring the original writer's stupidity as her being demisexual or actually being a cape geek. While sure, I could have made her agnostic I am also a fan of Nemesis13's works, where she follows an unspecified goddess.

The way I see it, the events of Worm prior to the start of Canon would see a rise in both doomsday movements from the Abrahamic Faiths and a wave of neopaganism, which in this fic includes a minor religion centered on TES' Kyne, only that series doesn't exist in-universe. Which is, yes, a dramatic change. But one that doesn't actually effect much, just as the Roman Empire mandating Christianity didn't actually make the empire any better at the whole 'treat others with kindness and respect' thing.

Annette, having more character than just 'ex-Lustrumite' and 'English Literature Professor', shares the religion she adopted while in the movement with her daughter, along with her ideology of gender equality. Because people do that and Wildbow didn't actually mesh any character backgrounds when characters weren't actively appearing in the story. Anyway. Taylor goes along with it because she's a serious mama's girl, and doesn't let go after Annette's death for that reason. Her faith gives her comfort through the bullying mainly as a link to her mother, right up until she starts embracing it for its own worth in Neolithic VI. At which point she's a standard 'passive-turned-active' believer. Just in a faith that has no RL baggage.

TL;DR, Wildbow is a hack and I'm fixing his mess. My way.

Now excuse me, I need to get back to hunting continuity errors that seem to have come up thanks to the hiatus.
 
Okay, I just started reading this about 24 hours ago, so these quotes may be a little aged.
Must be some hella coffee to have that many steps…
She couldn't wait ten years for String Theory's coffee maker to finish.
Taylor was not the first to have that particular vial formula and none of the other recipients had been anywhere near what she got in anything but PRT threat rating.
Ah, but were the other recipients properly Administrated?
No mention of any Tinker fugues either which is odd in and of itself.

she's a vial Cape dude. She doesn't have shard fuck with mind go brrr.
She had a fugue during her testing, so I don't know what you two are talking about.
"Because they'd emphasize your legs Taylor," the other girl replied, a grin evident in her voice. "You've got nice legs and I've heard that being able to show off can improve self-confidence."
In the name of @Datcord, THAT COUNTS! THAT'S GOING ON THE CHART!
Etymology. You want the study of the origin of words, not the study of insects, this isn't canon Taylor.
What's the difference between an etymologist and an entomologist? The etymologist knows the difference.
Honestly it's kind of sad that Amy's response to "homeless Tinker has topical getaway" is "take me with you after I snap."
Looked more like 'take me with you when I hit the snapping point, so I don't snap'.
 
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