Idle.Entity said:
she likely has something power-wise to help her recruit/ manage people
And/or just make them. I doubt the systems running her current drones are the upper limit of what she can achieve with artificial intelligence, and she may not be limited to non-biological systems, either, once she's built up enough.

After all, if her shard's speciality is building a civilization potentially from scratch, well, a civilization includes people, doesn't it?
 
Yeah, I could see a scenario where Vista might also be one of the capes that takes advantage of Tay's tropical paradise kinda like Amy. Her home life is canonically awful, she triggered due to her parents fighting, super messy divorce, the whole deal. And yet, she still lives with them (at least as much as she is forced to by I think the Youth Guard). Thus why she spends so much time as Vista. I've seen a few takes on her where she identifies with her heroic persona more than her legal name. If things got Earth-Bet enough for her, where she just couldn't take it anymore? I could see Vista bailing out.

Also, even with the frankly minimal characterization the early wards got in Worm, they're still more interesting to read about than Emma. Not just because Emma didn't get a lot either, but because Emma is just an unbelievably shallow person. Beyond her delusions, Emma has all the depth of a puddle. I know some people might call that unrealistic, but I've met people who were honestly that shallow before.
 
With a little planning, she could end up running either a Cape resort/vacation spot, or a retirement community.

It doesn't matter who you are (or were). Leave the old grudges behind and just relax. If you must fight, do so back home. While you are at the Respite Resort, those concerns are as nothing.

Ready to retire? Want to settle down and have children, but can't find a safe place to do so? Pregnant and just want to take a year or so off? We have just the bungalow for you!
 
With a little planning, she could end up running either a Cape resort/vacation spot, or a retirement community.

It doesn't matter who you are (or were). Leave the old grudges behind and just relax. If you must fight, do so back home. While you are at the Respite Resort, those concerns are as nothing.

Ready to retire? Want to settle down and have children, but can't find a safe place to do so? Pregnant and just want to take a year or so off? We have just the bungalow for you!
Taylor: One the one hand, more money to fund expansion. On the other, remaining connected to Earth Bet for the foreseeable future. Yeah, doesn't clear the cost-benefit analysis.
 
I'm really hoping this story leans into Vista bailing out and joining the Colonists. There are STARTLINGLY FEW stories that I'm AWARE of where Vista just goes "Nope. Fuck this, I'm done. You figure it out." The girl can line-of-sight distances into congruent space. Isn't the Medhall building like 20 stories or something?

20 stories up is a hell of view, so maybe a minute or two going vertical to reach Medhall's roof, then seconds to be a fair distance away. Someone PLEASE double check behind me but I'm pretty sure 20 stories is about 217 feet or so. That means that from the roof, Vista could see a bit over 18.7 miles or so, then pinch the distance together. So one step away for nearly 19 miles is absurd.

If Vista wants to leave, she's leaving, and having her act as a viable fast travel option for Taylor and crew while getting her AWAY from her shit parents and the festering hole that is Brockton Bay seems like a good/interesting idea, if only for the ethics/novelty of it. That also slots in well with the concept of this Taylor wanting to help people, and being joyful about those people being able to help her in turn.

I apologize if this comes across as ranty/pushy. I get weird when I'm sleep deprived. Bed for me. Sandy, thanks again for being awesome. *headpats*
 
I'm really hoping this story leans into Vista bailing out and joining the Colonists. There are STARTLINGLY FEW stories that I'm AWARE of where Vista just goes "Nope. Fuck this, I'm done. You figure it out." The girl can line-of-sight distances into congruent space. Isn't the Medhall building like 20 stories or something?

*snip*
the biggest problem with taking vista over, is that she has canonically drunk the kool-aid.
There needs to be an inciting incident for her disillusionment with the rest of the system first.
I mean as it stands, from her POV, sure the YG are not her friends, but the PRT and protectorate are fighting the good fight, and if only the YG would let her do more, or not have her have to deal with her shitty parents....

she doesn't yet see that she is being used, and that there is zero loyalty coming the other way
 
the biggest problem with taking vista over, is that she has canonically drunk the kool-aid.
There needs to be an inciting incident for her disillusionment with the rest of the system first.
I mean as it stands, from her POV, sure the YG are not her friends, but the PRT and protectorate are fighting the good fight, and if only the YG would let her do more, or not have her have to deal with her shitty parents....

she doesn't yet see that she is being used, and that there is zero loyalty coming the other way

Completely agree with you about Vista. However, considering what we have seen of Emma's plans for the wards, I can see Vista watching Emma pulling stupid shit getting swept under the rug combined with hearing about Taylor from Amy and Vicky being enough for Vista to realize the whole PRT is full of shit.
 
the biggest problem with taking vista over, is that she has canonically drunk the kool-aid.

Completely agree with you about Vista. However, considering what we have seen of Emma's plans for the wards, I can see Vista watching Emma pulling stupid shit getting swept under the rug combined with hearing about Taylor from Amy and Vicky being enough for Vista to realize the whole PRT is full of shit.
I think the biggest draw for Vista will be, 'you'll be on an entirely different world from your parents'. It's certainly something the Wards can't offer her.
 
I think the biggest draw for Vista will be, 'you'll be on an entirely different world from your parents'. It's certainly something the Wards can't offer her.

Honestly, I can think of the perfect setup.

I have no doubt Vista is having her limits pushed as far as her parents are concerned, and the Wards are essentially her only escape. This is why she tolerates practically any level of crap the PRT, PR, or YG pull on her.

But with the upcoming shitstorm approaching thanks to Danny and (to a lesser extent) Emma, her total time spent with the Wards will likely be curtailed heavily as that shakes out.

Now, I suspect Vista would be running headlong into a pretty significant outburst, and would likely do as her power lets her. Run away, at least for a bit. A couple hours at night, wandering around and otherwise just being left alone to think and get her frustrations to cool.

...Except, who is that in the shadows? It's that Tinker! What's she doing?

And as any good Ward should(n't) do, she investigates!

And cha-ching, she discovers a way away from all the bullshit in her life! She's still pretty angry and frustrated with the whole damn mess, from her parents to the PRT...so why wouldn't she take it?

If nothing else, her new friend is making regular trips, so she can always come back if she decides not to stay...
 
Honestly, I can think of the perfect setup.

I have no doubt Vista is having her limits pushed as far as her parents are concerned, and the Wards are essentially her only escape. This is why she tolerates practically any level of crap the PRT, PR, or YG pull on her.

But with the upcoming shitstorm approaching thanks to Danny and (to a lesser extent) Emma, her total time spent with the Wards will likely be curtailed heavily as that shakes out.

Now, I suspect Vista would be running headlong into a pretty significant outburst, and would likely do as her power lets her. Run away, at least for a bit. A couple hours at night, wandering around and otherwise just being left alone to think and get her frustrations to cool.

...Except, who is that in the shadows? It's that Tinker! What's she doing?

And as any good Ward should(n't) do, she investigates!

And cha-ching, she discovers a way away from all the bullshit in her life! She's still pretty angry and frustrated with the whole damn mess, from her parents to the PRT...so why wouldn't she take it?

If nothing else, her new friend is making regular trips, so she can always come back if she decides not to stay...
I guess, but the trouble is finding a way for Missy not to blame Taylor for the restrictions that the Alphabets put on her, and realize it's 'cause the alphabets were playing fast and loose already and have now f'ed up.

aka, getting young kids ( and adults at times too) to realise that the proximal 'cause' isn't really the genitive cause of something negative, can be a challenge
 
I guess, but the trouble is finding a way for Missy not to blame Taylor for the restrictions that the Alphabets put on her, and realize it's 'cause the alphabets were playing fast and loose already and have now f'ed up.
Okay, I'm curious. What do you think Missy would be blaming on Taylor? If, as some have suggested, Emma's actions against Taylor or Danny's colossal fuck-up lead to Missy's Vista time being restricted, how would she come to conclude that it is the fault of a third party?
 
Okay, I'm curious. What do you think Missy would be blaming on Taylor? If, as some have suggested, Emma's actions against Taylor or Danny's colossal fuck-up lead to Missy's Vista time being restricted, how would she come to conclude that it is the fault of a third party?

I think there's a bit of meta here, assuming that Missy somehow knows (in advance) that Hausōs is the same Taylor that both Emma and Danny are involved with. Once she figures that out, she'll probably ask for more information from Taylor and end up the most 'in the know' outside of Cauldron. It will certainly be awkward for Missy, deciding if she should tell Taylor about her father, and would make for some interesting drama when the reveal happens, of the "did you know?!" sort.
 
I guess, but the trouble is finding a way for Missy not to blame Taylor for the restrictions that the Alphabets put on her, and realize it's 'cause the alphabets were playing fast and loose already and have now f'ed up.

aka, getting young kids ( and adults at times too) to realise that the proximal 'cause' isn't really the genitive cause of something negative, can be a challenge

I think there's a bit of meta here, assuming that Missy somehow knows (in advance) that Hausōs is the same Taylor that both Emma and Danny are involved with. Once she figures that out, she'll probably ask for more information from Taylor and end up the most 'in the know' outside of Cauldron. It will certainly be awkward for Missy, deciding if she should tell Taylor about her father, and would make for some interesting drama when the reveal happens, of the "did you know?!" sort.

Honestly, Missy wouldn't put it together immediately, but she would put it together pretty fast.

And, of all the Wards, Missy is perhaps the most sympathetic to having a shit parent. I think she's smart enough to not blame Taylor for Danny's actions.

The key here is that while Taylor may be involved in the shitstorm battering the PRT, she's not actually doing any of it. Her involvement is more as evidence rather than as a participant. And Missy would probably recognize that.

As for Missy telling Taylor...Honestly, I think it'd be a moot point? What's liable to cause the situation to spiral into a mess big enough to cause Missy problems is a public confrontation between the two remaining Heberts, after all.
 
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Instead, presumably, whatever the person making the report sounds like, the person receiving it expects that secure contact line access is only given to people who can be trusted with it and that the report should be taken fully seriously.
Considering that Kenzie is currently part of WEDGDG, and is only ~8... I'm betting on Vista being in contact with Watchdog herself, here (and, by extension, a direct line to Cauldron.)
 
Considering that Kenzie is currently part of WEDGDG, and is only ~8... I'm betting on Vista being in contact with Watchdog herself, here (and, by extension, a direct line to Cauldron.)
...Maybe it's that I'm sick at the moment and a bit out of it, but I'm not understanding you here, sorry. Though I'm not remembering a Kenzie, so maybe it'd make more sense if I did.
 
She's a Ward character. A quick check on the occasionally-reliable fandom.com wiki suggests she's a 2011 trigger so might not even be a parahuman yet.
She's supposed to have triggered early in the year, but it may not have happened yet.

But yeah, still no idea how that might or might not be relevant here
Not directly relevant to the story, but she's an illustration that age is not a primary factor when it comes to Watchdog making use of information from parahumans.
 
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