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shepsquared said:
Walk their dog with a noose? Seems like a bit of a cheap variation of a choke chain, which I don't get the purpose of either...
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Very smart and strong but destructive puppies who will not stop pulling on the leash. Although the little guy in question eventually figured out how to escape a choke chain altogether, so it was a short-lived solution.
 
Setting up someone to die (often in a far more brutal way) in a situation where they could do nothing to avoid it or did nothing to cause it being treated as "better" morally than simply killing them.
 
Nobody said:
Setting up someone to die (often in a far more brutal way) in a situation where they could do nothing to avoid it or did nothing to cause it being treated as "better" morally than simply killing them.
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Oh yes, it really isn't.

And on a similar note, "I technically didn't kill them so it's ok."

It's like, ok, Batman, you sent an immortal into space to drift endlessly... and he has no powers except for his immortality, normal everyday prison with standard guards could hold him! That's a bit much, don't you think?
 
Though honestly Batman can't win on this front, at least among internet criticisms. If he sends people to jail, readers invoke the Joker thing and say, "Why doesn't he murder them, the system's clearly broken so it's okay to just take the law into your own hands, right?" If he actually distrusts the ability of prisons to hold them and finds other means, it's that he's a dangerous and vile vigilante who is not trusting the system, like he should.
 
The Laurent said:
Though honestly Batman can't win on this front, at least among internet criticisms. If he sends people to jail, readers invoke the Joker thing and say, "Why doesn't he murder them, the system's clearly broken so it's okay to just take the law into your own hands, right?" If he actually distrusts the ability of prisons to hold them and finds other means, it's that he's a dangerous and vile vigilante who is not trusting the system, like he should.
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It depends a lot on the criminal. Like, locking up Penguin is fine. He doesn't need to kill the Penguin let alone a fate-worse-than-death him. This guy was probably *less dangerous* than Penguin. If he got out again, it's not the end of the world, he's a fairly easy catch, and it's not like he was the Ten Eyed Man, who no jail could realistically hold due to having optic nerves on each of his fingertips.

He trusts the system too much in terms of Joker because Joker escapes easily and regularly and is a walking slaughterhouse, but really it's fine to put most villains in prison.
 
Setting aside the issue of Joker Immunity people who go on about why doesn't batman kill the joker puts the burden and authority of killing the joker on batman when its society in the DC universe that decided that the joker shouldn't be put to death for his crimes in spite of how dangerous he is.
 
Alane1 said:
Setting aside the issue of Joker Immunity people who go on about why doesn't batman kill the joker puts the burden and authority of killing the joker on batman when its society in the DC universe that decided that the joker shouldn't be put to death for his crimes in spite of how dangerous he is.
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Yea, the system's response to Joker is more to blame than Batman is.

The willingness to use bypass-the-system solutions that aren't technically kills and often disproportionate is a different problem.
 
Alane1 said:
Setting aside the issue of Joker Immunity people who go on about why doesn't batman kill the joker puts the burden and authority of killing the joker on batman when its society in the DC universe that decided that the joker shouldn't be put to death for his crimes in spite of how dangerous he is.
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Yeah but if the system was allowed to work Batman would not exist or be in jail himself. The Joker should have been gunned down by the police a thousand times, as he hasn't due to being a demi god the one guy who consistently stops him should probably take some responsibility for knowingly handing him over to people incapable of doing so.
 
mesonoxian said:
It isn't treated as a joke in story. The bronze age Ten-eyed Man is treated as a completely serious, lethal adversary in his first appearance. In real life, of course, it is dumb as hell.

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He's also an insane vietnam era special forces vet, Rambo style. The hands give him 360 degree vision and can be used as periscopes to look around corners and such. He's strictly street level, but his background is basically the same as The Punisher, plus the fingers thing. He's also an expert sniper and tends to have explosives on hand.
 
Arawn_Emrys said:
He's also an insane vietnam era special forces vet, Rambo style. The hands give him 360 degree vision and can be used as periscopes to look around corners and such. He's strictly street level, but his background is basically the same as The Punisher, plus the fingers thing. He's also an expert sniper and tends to have explosives on hand.
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You mean... at his finger tips?
 
Q99 said:
Here's one that bugs me: "This enemy has an unstoppable attack and invincible armor! I know, let's make it attack itself!" *Does so, splits it open*

It'd be really nice if at least one time it was the *attack* that was weaker than the defense!
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That's a cliche? I only remember one instance of it - the Omnidroid in The Incredibles.
 


"Because of his... special abilities... Reardon has virtual 360 degree vision. Without the box, escape would be child's play for him." -Actual quote



Here's one that bugs me: "This enemy has an unstoppable attack and invincible armor! I know, let's make it attack itself!" *Does so, splits it open*

It'd be really nice if at least one time it was the *attack* that was weaker than the defense!

(Mechasaurian's post came when I was consolidating two posts to avoid a doublepost)
Mechasaurian said:
That's a cliche? I only remember one instance of it - the Omnidroid in The Incredibles.
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Yu Yu Hakusho does it in one of the Dark Tournament matches with a robot villain, Shiryu in Saint Seiya, Naruto's 3rd Raikage, a minor villain in Grrlpower, I've seen it a number of times.
 
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Q99 said:


"Because of his... special abilities... Reardon has virtual 360 degree vision. Without the box, escape would be child's play for him." -Actual quote



Here's one that bugs me: "This enemy has an unstoppable attack and invincible armor! I know, let's make it attack itself!" *Does so, splits it open*

It'd be really nice if at least one time it was the *attack* that was weaker than the defense!

(Mechasaurian's post came when I was consolidating two posts to avoid a doublepost)


Yu Yu Hakusho does it in one of the Dark Tournament matches with a robot villain, Shiryu in Saint Seiya, Naruto's 3rd Raikage, a minor villain in Grrlpower, I've seen it a number of times.
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With the Raikage it makes perfect sense, though? Lightning is very good at attacking: if you want great defense, that's earth.

There's literally an earth jutsu that makes you basically immune to all attacks except ones with Lightning. Sooo...
 
The Laurent said:
I think he means, like, eating a whole apple noisily or something?

"Hey, so I was thinking that we should--"
*crunch, crunch, crunch*
"Perhaps we might..."
*louder crunching.*
"Oh can you stop that!"
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That's part of it.

Basically, I've seen works where a character, mainly a bad guy, act like a jerk. Then they have that character eat an apple all smug like, in order to reinforce that characterization.
 
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