Last I checked, Anubis's thing was "He got Ascended, did some shit, the Ancients punished him by descending him halfway but still letting him have superpowers and true immortality and what not and then just let him go for some sort of lesson to him and his ascender"

Ah, you refer to that.

Well, the thing is... Anubis was not left half-ascended as a punishment. He was left half-ascended as a punishment for other character for interfering with "lower lifeforms" or something like that. IIRC the ascended ancients had strict "no interference" and since the character kept interfering (I can't remember the name, Uma? Three letter name) they punished her by allowing something to happen that she tried to stop.

So not really case of "let me turn you into immortal as a punishment and let you go". More of "because you keep breaking rules, I am going to allow this asshole to stay immortal and let him go"
 
Cain from Vampire the Masquerade.
"You were the first person to kill someone, now go do it some more!"
Eh, I'm no theologian so I can't attest to whether it would apply in Caine's case but this could be genuinely hellish. If Caine regrets his murder then forcing him to continually spill (or in his case- suck) blood for the rest of eternity could be a pretty brutal punishment. He's being forced to replicate his crime endlessly for the rest of time. That's not going to be fun.

It wouldn't bother him if he's completely guiltless but I feel safe in assuming that Yahweh wouldn't hand out that punishment if he was. God is, after all, presumably capable of seeing the emotional consequences of the punishment.
 
Eh, I'm no theologian so I can't attest to whether it would apply in Caine's case but this could be genuinely hellish. If Caine regrets his murder then forcing him to continually spill (or in his case- suck) blood for the rest of eternity could be a pretty brutal punishment. He's being forced to replicate his crime endlessly for the rest of time. That's not going to be fun.

It wouldn't bother him if he's completely guiltless but I feel safe in assuming that Yahweh wouldn't hand out that punishment if he was. God is, after all, presumably capable of seeing the emotional consequences of the punishment.
Depends on which version of WoD you take as being the real one and/or which one connects to Vampire. In at least one, God is an alien machine that barely comprehends independence, much less morality.
 
Depends on which version of WoD you take as being the real one and/or which one connects to Vampire. In at least one, God is an alien machine that barely comprehends independence, much less morality.
There is no "version of WoD", it's not a single coherent setting. Vampire has fundamentally different metaphysics from Mage which has fundamentally different metaphysics from Werewolf, and so on.

I know that some writers have gestured to the idea but it's never worked and shouldn't be taken literally. The individual gamelines were not written with the assumption that they were all in a single world. For good reason, it wouldn't work. In the case of Vampire it's safe to assume that God is just the Christian Biblical God. Weird alien theo-machines are fine for Daemon but they don't fit any of VTM's themes.
 
Yes, the classic "to punish you I will make everyone else suffer" trick.
A favorite of sadistic authoritarians everywhere.
Yes? We're talking about the Old Testament God here, punishments that fuck over innocents are kind of His whole deal.

You made a specific argument (it doesn't make sense to force a murderer to kill forever) I was pointing out how it does make sense. I'm not making an argument in favor of vampiric punishment lol.
 
Admittedly I like how it was used in the end of Arcane, well, that was just cause of Jayce and Viktor, but I don't really care much for shows that build up two sides as enemies then they pivot at the end and they band up against one mutual enemy that seeks to destroy all of them.

Feels like it just wants to sidestep the brewing conflict and not look like they're picking sides. Come on, I wanna see who'll win. Don't chicken out.
 
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Or alternatively, why were they fighting in the first place if they can trust each other so easily now?

It comes across as being pointlessly antagonistic, or baselessly trusting.

The Enemy of my Enemy is my Enemy's Enemy. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Or alternatively, why were they fighting in the first place if they can trust each other so easily now?

In a better, or at least longer-form (since there isn't room for everything all the time) story, they can't, and that's actually elaborated on as they have to work through it.

But also think about how many times people are, in fact, pointlessly antagonistic. There is a reason why we tend to have this big list of justifications for violence and war we check and why people try to engineer those justifications in their head or in reality; we know what kind of assholes we are. "I hate dude with funny hat and wrong god" can in fact vanish shockingly fast if your life is directly threatened.
 
But also think about how many times people are, in fact, pointlessly antagonistic.

True, but truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense.
A narrative has to actually lay out the conflict, and if they are planning to "resolve" it suddenly, the conflict is often set up as a strawman to make it easier to sort out.

The Elves love living on the surface and hate living underground.
The Dwarves love living underground and hate living on the surface.
They were at war for a bajillion years until a white man came up to them and pointed out that they should stop.

Furthermore, if both sides are supposed to be likable, then there is another layer of difficulty in the setup.
If they are presented as being in conflict because they are stupid, bigoted, assholes, then I don't really like reading about them much.

Then when they do team up, they tend to trivialize any problems and conflicts they already had.
I remember one book series where the finale of the first trilogy was rescuing a girl who had been captured and tortured for several days.
The main character of the next trilogy was that girl.
The love interest was the person who had tortured her.

They had an explanation for his sudden change of heart, but did anybody think "maybe she doesn't want to hang around someone who looks, sounds, and smells like the person who tortured her?"
No.

So as a cliche in stories, I see it screwed up more often than I see it done correctly.
 
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