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this is not the doot. i wrote the doot and I threw it out because you need a better doot and I was writing Nadeshiko too much like Tomoyo. this, combined with job-onboarding slowness, and briefly succumbing to Despair (as mentioned earlier) has resulted in a very long doot time!

Despair remains at bay! though, my cute meguca is visiting another universe for a while, and I miss her.

doot tomorrow evening or Tuesday morning
i'm committing to this for my own sake, so I do it
 
so that she could be better at killing things
This doot proved to be somewhat delicate, as it ties together two-and-a-half different bundles of plot and story. I have taken far longer than planned, to get it right.

> Discuss the matter with Nadeshiko.

The problem with this plan, of course, is the evil-mirror-universe Clarisse. You don't trust her not to try something. You're not sure whether she has access to spy on you with time windows anymore, because she sent Simona away... but either way, you don't want to let her mess anything up. You'll have to be prepared this time, and plan it out.

In the meantime, you have a pressing matter.

[X][Kyouko] Explain we are concerned about how fast this is going now
-[X] With the rate we are going, having a kid by the end of the week wouldn't be surprising


Kyouko looks at you with alarm when you joke about having a kid.
"Huh?" she asks. "We weren't doing anything like that, were we?"
"Well…" you say.
"Like… seriously?" she asks.

You hadn't quite realized what you'd gotten yourself into with this girl.
Consider, then, Kyouko. She has neglected her education. She is without a family, and even when she had a family, it was a conservative family which celebrated a certain measure of innocence and purity. No one ever told her explicitly about the birds and the bees. Nor did anyone previously tell her to go look it up in her onboard knowledge-base. Oh, there was plenty of incidental exposure to the world, and she could have put two and two together — if she had engaged with any of it, rather than just brushing it aside as icky stuff. Now she is before you, like Eve in the garden: she realizes the specific nature of the impulses which have been driving her, and she is ashamed.
Oh, innocence.
You think this is outlandish? It is common enough, with the right sort of family.

Kyouko is soon hiding under the covers, and you are doing your best to temper your frustration with her upbringing, that you might not start a religious debate over the matter… or for that matter, drive her to despair.
"Desire itself is a natural phenomenon," you note to her. "From my understanding, Christian theology around the matter generally acknowledges this, and doesn't condemn it directly. There are some very unfortunate exceptions, of course, but it's a question of how to integrate that into a virtuous life, and that's why they teach certain things about the family and how to structure your life. And, of course, about the boundaries that the two of us set for ourselves, together.."
You wait a moment for a response.
"I don't want to go to Hell," says Kyouko.
You take a deep breath.
"Kyouko… if you legitimately didn't know what you were doing… I don't think you'd go to Hell for anything."
"I thought you didn't believe in Hell," she replies.
"I'm approaching the matter from my understanding of extant Christian theology," says Clarisse. "Which, I must admit, is not my field of expertise, and is full of exceptions and variety in interpretation, but…"
"I thought I was strong against temptation!" says Kyouko, flinging off the covers. "But it turns out I didn't even know what it looked like!"
You are becoming very alarmed. This sort of situation would be an excellent opportunity for a magical girl to plant the seeds of a curse within her own soul.
"You — I'm quite confident you can be strong resist temptation," you tell her. (It's a good thing that this Kyouko doesn't know what the other Kyouko is famous for in the future, or she'd have something to say about that.) "It's like you said. You just didn't know what it looked like. An innocent mistake. Maybe that's not nothing, but I am confident there's more to your soul than that!"
"Yeah," she snarls, "there's plenty of Sloth and Gluttony there too," she says. "A bit of pride, maybe? And utterly consumed, by lust."
You shake your head.
"Come now, Kyouko," you tell her, "isn't that too melodramatic? You are hardly so depraved that anyone should say you're utterly consumed."
... There is, after all, so much further she could go.
Kyouko looks you in the eye.
"Show me," she says.
"Show you what?" you ask.
"Show me that I'm not utterly consumed. Show me... show me myself. The person that I can be. Give me a sign."
Something clicks.

She wants another chance.
Indeed, she wants to be tested.
You can do that. You can do it in a way that means something.
"Okay," you say. "Stay there."

The first thing you do is change back into the abominatio—
— Clarisse, are you calling my handiwork an abomination? Goodness. I am shaking my head.
You change back into the dress that represents so many things that you hate, the abomination, if you insist.
The second thing you do, simultaneously, is to speak with the shard of Sakura's soul about your plan. You will need her help, after all.
She thinks she can make it happen.

Kyouko looks at you again.
"Here we go," you say. "I need your help. Actually, I need someone else's help, but it will be slightly hazardous to pursue it, and I need you to keep me safe. It's important. It will require fortitude and self-denial. You can do this."
"... I'm listening," she says.
"I'm going to visit another world. That world's Clarisse will therefore come here to be me for a little while. I don't want her to mess anything up, so I would like to set up containment, so that she does not have access to any objects of power."
You extract the feather. "This is part of a magical girl's magic," you say, to be clear. "She'll be my other guard, and will be the first line of defense. She'll also be able to tell for certain when I come back. I am going to send you encryption keys, and entrust you my physical safety."
With the feather, you inscribe a circle around yourself, to keep you contained. If it works for the Star Empire, it can work for you. It's even the same magic.
When you are finished, you hand the feather, Kinomoto Sakura, to Sakura Kyouko.
"The world of the Star Empire is depraved," you warn her, "in the way that you yourself are not. There is way too much kissing over there. Treat me as if I am possessed by a demon. She may tempt you, but you be strong against that temptation. You will not allow her to sow doubt in your mind. And if she is in distress, and begs your aid, you will treat it as a ploy."

You step over the circle, and to the other side.



You are in a quiet room beside a garden.
That's not really right; the garden extends into the room from outside, spilling over the windowsill. It's wilder than the rest of the gardens here. Carefully aimed lights shine down on the indoor foliage.
There is a circle here too, of a differing design, which fades away quickly as you arrive.
And as it turns out, you're still wearing a very cute dress.
...
... It's cute, Clarisse, I promise.
...
... Okay, Let's agree to disagree.

The person you want to talk to is sitting on a tree branch. In contrast to you, she is quite unadorned, wearing only a very plain linen dress, and no shoes.
"Hello, Clarisse," says Shizuki Nadeshiko. "Have you come all the way here for counsel? It must be very important."
You nod.
"Sit down," she says, "and tell me what troubles you."
You are for a moment unsure of where to start.
Perhaps keep it on the simplest physical plane.
"I was considering taking lessons in ballet," you say, taking a seat nearby her. "But I am not sure that it is a wise course of action."
She closes her eyes before speaking, perhaps to imagine.
"I wonder why you might want to do this thing," she says. "Is it for the joy of the movement itself? For the pleasure of the performance? For the pleasure of the attention? Because it is a program of hard work to which you can commit yourself deeply?"
She opens her eyes and looks at you.
"I thought it might be a way to a different kind of magic, one which would permit me to transcend the bondage of the Incubators. It is not for the sake of the dance itself."
She considers this a moment.
"If you wish to use dance as your way of magic," she tells you, "you cannot skimp on your commitments. Pursue it in earnest, and make it the core of your identity, sharing the hopes and dreams and sorrows of those who have walked this way before you, indulging the traditions. Work to be the prima donna, and dance for the world."
"This is only conditionally necessary?" you ask, to clarify. "If I wanted to do magic as dance specifically?"
She nods.
"Magic is sometimes quite sensitive to firsts, but it values traditions and commitments more strongly. One of the tricks of the incubator system is to force both at once: a contract to fight forever, and a powerful first wish to shape those powers for ever. But you are not party to such a contract, and you are not the first creature to work magic. You are not bound to approach it in such a way, not after just one occasion."
"I see," you say, processing these concepts. "That's … probably for the best, I suppose."
She tilts her head and looks at you.
"You sound like I'm crushing your dream," she says. "There is something more."
You're unsure how to put it.
"I'm not sure this is my dream," you say. "No, I'm sure it's not. It contradicts so many things I want in my life. But when I think about it, I have a feeling, and it's not something I can control."
"There is a Greek word," she says. "Akrasia. A failure of self-control. Acting against your better judgment, and thus harming yourself. Is it on account of this that you worry?"
You ponder a moment.
"A little," you admit, "but I am perhaps more concerned that my judgment is at risk. I have found contradictions in my original programming that I cannot reconcile, and while I still pursue similar aims, it no longer compels me directly, as it once did. In its absence, my priorities confuse me, and I find myself... fascinated by things which I feel I ought not be."
"Do any of these things happen to involve romance?" she asks, very seriously.
"Yes," you admit. "That would be the area of focus."
"My preliminary diagnosis," concludes Nadeshiko, gravely, "is that you are a teenage girl. Take two love poems and call me in the morning."
She drops her act of seriousness and smiles a very big smile.
You blink in disbelief.
"I … I'm slightly under the impression it's more than that!" you exclaim.
"Oh?" she asks, making a show of being taken aback. "You might be surprised."
"I'm not supposed to want these things!" you object.
She laughs with delight. "Oh my! My dear Clarisse is afflicted with a serious case of forbidden love!"
"I'm serious!" you say.
"Oh, I know that you are," she says. "And perhaps, next, you will tell me how delighted you are to imagine yourself giving up everything, for such a love."
"I —"
You are slightly speechless. She does understand.
"But … but… why??" you ask, frustrated at her for having such answers. "I didn't have this before, not like this, and I don't recall asking for it!"
"Well, what I understand of it is this," she says. "You've always had a genome as a part of you, but because of the shape of your body, not all of it was active. Recently, you have found new parts of it expressed, and a specific, messy, human part of it is one of them. What you make of this is up to you. Have you been compromised? Are you experiencing a part of yourself that you didn't even know you had? Was it wrongly taken away from you, in the first place?"
You frown.
Nadeshiko continues. "As for the specifics of why — well, some of that is my fault. We're related, you see."
(Of course in principle, she should be a rather distant relationship at this point, but, well, what's a six sigma genetic profile between friends?)
"The other reason why," she begins, then pauses. "I will tell it to you in a moment, actually. First, back to the matter of your choice. What do you think of my garden?" she asks.
"It's quite lovely," you say, politely, not seeing the connection.
"What do you think of the place that it is in?" she asks. "The palace. The heart of the Star Empire, at the center of human civilization. Is it lovely? What of this juxtaposition? Is it not unsettling?"
"Profoundly," you say.
She nods.
"My path does not confront this directly. I sit here, before the seat of injustice, and I do not raise a hand against it. Rather, I pull the world ever so gently towards mercy and compassion, through small acts of kindness, care, and counsel. I cultivate myself and my manners that I might incarnate a symbol of gentleness, of meekness, of compassion. Those whose hearts I slowly move are neither those most in need of a gentle touch, nor those who most deserve such things themselves. I do not even work to heal the world. I may from time to time, in passing, help the lowly, and it is a great joy, but my true work is to sow the seeds of change in those who would harm it, that they might not. The fruits of my labor are distant and uncertain, my joys are mingled with sorrow, and too many of my days are spent in waiting. Now, tell me, is this the sort of existence that you seek for yourself?"
You shake your head no.
"That's not what I want," you say.
She nods.
"A person has many differing motives, goals, duties, purposes, passions," she says. "They are often in conflict, and one has to choose. No one escapes this. But few souls, whether clever or fortunate, will see them aligned more than not. Some will find or create the opportunities to make them happy without changing themselves. Others cultivate their own feelings like a garden, adapting to thrive in the niche where they are."
"I think if you pursued the path you described, you would appreciate the intensive pursuit of technical excellence, and having a structure to your life, and maybe even being the center of attention. You would be happy because you were loved, and that is no small thing. But that world is a little too small, too rarefied. You would act more directly than I do, perhaps, but you would need to be the sort of a symbol that you ought not be. It would crush something in you, and leave you ruined."
You nod. It seems quite a decisive opinion on the matter.
"Thank you," you say.
She gives you a hug, smiling.
"Now, then, this is very important," she says, letting you go, and she becomes more serious. "It is about Ryouko. Both of them, perhaps, but your Ryouko, specifically."
"Yes?" you ask.
"Her wish," says Nadeshiko. "One thing she wanted was to find her place in the universe. For this to happen she must understand she fits into history, and learn the stories of those who came before her, and how those stories have shaped her."
You nod. "People do seem to like telling her things about the family history," you agree.
"With that in mind," she asks, "would you say that she is passionate, like the others? With the sort of passion that you, yourself, have experienced?"
"... Well, not in the same way, no," you say, confused. "She's different."
"But sometimes, she does lose control," says Nadeshiko, "and loses herself in intense emotions, and acts without regard to her own well-being."
"No?" you say, confused for a moment. "She's never felt like that, and the only time she ever loses control is when —"
You stop, and you realize the other time that you lost control.
Kyuubey deserved it, of course, but, the intensity of the feeling, the disregard for everything else but your goal… You didn't feel the same reckless disregard for your own life; it wasn't quite on the line. But Ryouko has, and she felt the same way. And if Nadeshiko is saying they're the same, if that's the part that she says you share with Ryouko…
"Are you suggesting," you ask her, alarmed, "that part of her passion was taken from her, so that she would be better at … at killing things?"
Nadeshiko nods.
You feel a terrible sinking feeling inside.
"I think there is something she needs to see in you," says Nadeshiko, "for as you are right now, you are closer to what Ryouko might have been, than she is herself—"



"Clarisse?" calls Kyouko. "Are you back?"
"She's back," says a tiny voice.
You look over. Kyouko is not holding the feather any more; instead there is a very small magical girl sitting on Kyouko's shoulder, like an angel, with fluffy white wings. She is not simply miniature, she has silly proportions as well, a chibi angel.
She extends her miniature star staff, twirls it about, and dismisses the barrier.
"Um," says Kyouko. "She asked to borrow an illusion."
You nod. An angel on her shoulder is probably a comforting to her, as well.
"How bad was it?" you ask.
"She said mean things about my father, and tested my commitment to my faith," said Kyouko. "But of course it didn't work."
"What did she say exactly?" you ask.
"She said that he preached lies, and that I'm likely to turn into a witch," says Kyouko.
You are not certain what her intent is with that. Is she legitimately concerned, or did she just do something clever?
She did leave a note, with the only access that you granted her.

Article:
Dear Clarisse,
I understand we've had some difficulties in seeing eye to eye. Allow me to explain my position: I was stuck with an infinitely bad timeline. I sought to replace it. That wasn't the hard part, the hard part was not erasing Ryouko from existence permanently. I am confident that you will understand this was of the utmost importance.

Ryouko's existence is fragile. It is not that her genetics are extensively engineered: there are remarkable statistical improbabilities throughout her family tree. Someone has steered fate across many generations to make her possible; she is not a natural occurrence. This is why I sent Simona to copy the two of you from another existence.

It's not going to work. Here is where I went wrong: I can't count to two.

There was interference even before I contacted you — and no, it wasn't your cleverness, or your time loop shenanigans, it's someone I didn't account for, someone with time powers. I naturally suspect your friend Homura. It would fit, for she was not a magical girl in my timeline, and I did not think to account for such a thing: but I cannot understand her motives, and doubt that she has such guile.

I have no idea how your current universe has a stable independent existence. It would take a shockingly large amount of magic power to make it happen, and the godlike entity who I've met is not providing it. This is alarming.

The plan that I outlined for you to save your home universe is sound, it just happens to involve promoting it from a simulation to a reality, granting it an existence independent of any computer. This is actually incredibly straightforward: it just requires absurd amounts of power: I understand you have found sources of power which begin to be capable. (You continue to need Nanami's railgun to attack the Squid homeworld and destroy the Overmind — in your Governance universe, naturally; I don't know that they've even built it yet in 2011.)

And here is the counting:
Nanami's wish didn't create any new human bodies, it just reconfigured them. I know this. When I sent Simona to get you from the Governance timeline, I didn't realize that you were sharing a body with Ryouko, nor that Mami had another AI inside her either. I had never in my wildest dreams imagined such things would be done; I had thought your universe was supposed to the Princess's new model of integrity and ethics.

I thought you were going to bring two bodies, a Ryouko and a Clarisse. But you only brought one, and now I'm not certain that it was saved from the labyrinth at all, and now I have a really, really bad feeling that something absolutely terrible is going to happen to the Princess, because it's already happened


The letter cuts out. She must have just been expressing that thought when you returned.
You take a deep breath.
"Thank you," you tell Kyouko, and give her a quick hug. "There. A hug should be safe. That was ... something. I'm going to change back, okay?"
Kyouko nods. She seems to be doing better.



In retrospect you're not sure it was wise to have done that. You may have been slightly under the influence of something Kyouko said. While it worked out, it is troubling in principle. You're troubled by what you've learned, but it's not yet clear there's something you can do about it.

What is clear is that having Oriko's help, her bona fide help, might be a great boon, to this and other efforts.

> Try to get the group to give Oriko some freedom
>> Argue she has been very helpful if a bit annoying


For instance:
> Attempt to get in touch with the magical girls somehow, even if they are in a "crusader" faction. Perhaps you could defuse the issue.
Ryouko's physical safety remains important, after all. And this world isn't nothing.

"They have a better sense of the world's power structure," says Oriko. "I believe there were a few targeted sorties into various cities, with a modicum of discretion, and then approached the United Nations quite openly."
"Thank you again," you tell her. "This has, again, been quite helpful. I wonder, Oriko. Would you be willing to consider working with us in earnest?"

"You know what the funny thing is, Clarisse?" Oriko asks, shaking her head. "Kyouko, when she was working with me, talked sometimes about building a better world. We have spoken since, while she was serving as guard. And none of her lectures could never sway me, because I already know that I have a reason to live, and it is the essence of my wish. She could never tell me to desist. But one offhanded remark about trust, and I am compelled to tell you that I have been working behind your back this very evening."
This is also a bad feeling. Was she talking with the other Clarisse? Is that even possible?
"... Just now?" you ask.
"No," she says. "When you were distracting Kyouko, earlier."
You frown.
"What did you do??" you ask.
"Oh, I spoke with your invisible friend," she says, with a smirk.
You frown.
"Kirika?" you ask. "Hinata Aina? Miroko Mikuru."
She shakes her head. "Not at all."
"Yuma?" you ask.
"The funny part," says Oriko, disregarding these questions, "is just how brazen she can be."
"What are you trying to accomplish?" you demand.
"I am trying to save humanity. In this case, from an alien menace," she says. "Which presently involves no small amount of managing you, so that you don't get yourself killed, cause any diplomatic incidents with the aliens, or let people start time wars by leaving magical artifacts unprotected."



> Oriko is "helping." Can you tell?

[ ] Disregard Oriko's meddling and proceed to extend her trust anyway.
[ ] Question Oriko further about the interloper, but don't use any more magic on her.
[ ] Revive the idea of using magic to ensure her loyalty.
- [ ] Get Kyouko to make more suggestions to Oriko and further adjust her anything-goes, "at all costs" attitude
- [ ] Get her to swear an oath of loyalty
-- [ ] To Ryouko
-- [ ] To the Gang of Nice
-- [ ] To you
- [ ] (write in some other approach)
[ ] Oriko is too much trouble. Put her on ice.
- [ ] Keep her soul somewhere, and get Nanami to help preserve her body in a tank.
- [ ] Lock her up in a magic circle indefinitely.
(This will occupy your Sakura feather.)
[ ] You've figured out who the interloper is just now. Confront (write in) directly.
Please supply detailed reasoning to support your conclusion, but outside the vote block.
 
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Kyouko is soon hiding under the covers, and you are doing your best to temper your frustration with her upbringing

Avoid shocking Kyouko unintentionally. We are going to have to have more of these conversations, but we should probably plan them better.


The first thing you do is change back into the abominatio—
— Clarisse, are you calling my handiwork an abomination? Goodness. I am shaking my head.
You change back into the dress that represents so many things that you hate, the abomination, if you insist.

Clarisse is clearly wrong here. They are cute, however...


I think if you pursued the path you described, you would appreciate the intensive pursuit of technical excellence, and having a structure to your life, and maybe even being the center of attention. You would be happy because you were loved, and that is no small thing. But that world is a little too small, too rarefied. You would act more directly than I do, perhaps, but you would need to be the sort of a symbol that you ought not be. It would crush something in you, and leave you ruined.

Its a long converaation, however I'll just take the last bit. Clearly we could do ballet, but its clearly a case that we would have to stop being Clarrisse to do it. But magic requires 'traditions and commitments' to use it. So the question becomes where we might find those. Other forms of art of course have the same issue with Ballet. However, as mentioned by @Boomshroom, Clarisse is an amazing mathmetician and it is the method she uses to view souls (viewing them as waves instead of music). I would say that maths mets the requirements of having traditions and commitments so would that be a good option?

However it ultimately means we should only wear the cute dresses on dates with Kyouko.

"Are you suggesting," you ask her, alarmed, "that part of her passion was taken from her, so that she would be better at … at killing things?"
Nadeshiko nods.
You feel a terrible sinking feeling inside.
"I think there is something she needs to see in you," says Nadeshiko, "for as you are right now, you are closer to what Ryouko might have been, than she is herself—"

I have no idea what we need to show Ryouko, any guesses?


There was interference even before I contacted you — and no, it wasn't your cleverness, or your time loop shenanigans, it's someone I didn't account for, someone with time powers. I naturally suspect your friend Homura. It would fit, for she was not a magical girl in my timeline, and I did not think to account for such a thing: but I cannot understand her motives, and doubt that she has such guile.

I think SE!Clarisse doesn't know about goverence!Homura. Only explanation I can think of that would make her not understand the motives or think she would not be the sort of person who could.


I have no idea how your universe has a stable independent existence. It would take a shockingly large amount of magic power to make it happen, and the godlike entity who I've met is not providing it. This is alarming.

Is this referring to the real goverence timeline, which has been massively manipulated by god!madoka? Also doesn't that mean that the manipulations to Ryouko are a result of god!madoka messing with things?


"I am trying to save humanity. In this case, from an alien menace," she says. "Which presently involves no small amount of managing you, so that you don't get yourself killed, cause any diplomatic incidents with the aliens, or let people start time wars by leaving magical artifacts unprotected."

I'm thinking questioning without magic for this? I really don't want to use it but she does continue to make trusting her very hard.

Also I have no clue on the interloper.
 
The problem seems to be Oriko doesn't trust us to not go off and yeeted ourself for some ill-defined reason, and, uh, I'm not sure how to solve that.
 
This is so very confusing, but I love it.
I have no idea how your current universe has a stable independent existence. It would take a shockingly large amount of magic power to make it happen, and the godlike entity who I've met is not providing it. This is alarming.
Does the other universe not have Madoka? What godlike entity is she talking about?

About Oriko, I want to trust her. I know that in Oriko is supposed to a bad person in the TTS lore, but here she seems to genuinely want to help, and I want to give her a chance.
 
I trust Oriko to have broadly similar goal to us, but that might necessarily means she'll prod our own path because, well, she doesn't trust us, etc. See previous statement.

Not sure how to solve it. Maybe some kind of grand gesture of trust, but what kind? Plus we gotta sell 'em to other magical girls too, and on and on. Bah.
 
I have no idea what we need to show Ryouko, any guesses?
Passion.

Also I have no clue on the interloper.
Hmm.


Maybe you could set a trap!

Also doesn't that mean that the manipulations to Ryouko are a result of god!madoka messing with things?
My theory is that Ryouko probably manipulated her own family tree after the fact with her wish magic.

About Oriko, I want to trust her. I know that in Oriko is supposed to a bad person in the TTS lore,
(vague Symmetry Diamond noises)

Does the other universe not have Madoka? What godlike entity is she talking about?
As you recall, the other universe has edgydoka, aka Gretchen.
It seems this Clarisse doesn't know her by that name, or doesn't want to mention it.

This is so very confusing, but I love it.
TODO make a diagram.
 
I trust Oriko to have broadly similar goal to us, but that might necessarily means she'll prod our own path because, well, she doesn't trust us, etc. See previous statement.

Not sure how to solve it. Maybe some kind of grand gesture of trust, but what kind? Plus we gotta sell 'em to other magical girls too, and on and on. Bah.
But Oriko doesn't want gestures of trust. She will laugh those off. They will accomplish nothing other than giving her another excuse to exercise that sharp tongue.

She wants to know that the world won't randomly end at any point because Clarisse just went and did something without thinking it through.

Is she exaggerating the risks? Probably. I can't imagine that her personality and her wish really lend themselves to healthy levels of worrying about outcomes.

But fundamentally, I don't think that Oriko is being abrasive and controlling because she feels left out, excluded, untrusted, etc.

Oriko is being abrasive and controlling because, um, she's a control freak; because she catastrophizes, fixates on the worst possible outcomes of any choice; because Clarisse is, as has been the topic of discussion lately, passionate and impulsive and sometimes possessed of a willful disregard for consequence.

Because Clarisse has an abundance of power but - in Oriko's biased perspective - nowhere near enough caution to go with it.

If you want Oriko to stop being a problem, then...

stop doing things that make her afraid, I guess.

Don't rush in. Hold back. Be careful. Stop leaving valuable magical artifacts unprotected. Consult her, but also don't lean on her - Oriko doesn't want to be Clarisse's minder and advisor, she wants Clarisse not to need minding.

And while doing all of this, accept that it may very well never be enough. It might not be realistic or practical to assuage Oriko's worries. It might not be possible to do so.
 
About Oriko, I want to trust her. I know that in Oriko is supposed to a bad person in the TTS lore, but here she seems to genuinely want to help, and I want to give her a chance.
She did act as an antagonist to the main characters, but from what I can tell, it wasn't out of malice. From what I was able to gather, she appears to have done it to play as a villain rather than truly being one. The main characters needed a threat that they could band together against and Oriko decided to expand her team to be said threat.
 
./~ interloper shenanigans are the most fun; I am imagining just what goes through Clarisse's head when she finally puts it together.

She did act as an antagonist to the main characters, but from what I can tell, it wasn't out of malice. From what I was able to gather, she appears to have done it to play as a villain rather than truly being one. The main characters needed a threat that they could band together against and Oriko decided to expand her team to be said threat.
She was an overt and deliberate antagonist in Oriko Magica, by the end. Saving the world, and all.

Oriko is being abrasive and controlling because, um, she's a control freak; because she catastrophizes, fixates on the worst possible outcomes of any choice...

Oriko's father, as you recall, was a politician, with a bit of a messianic flair, promising a bright new world. She was a happy girl, pretty, popular, bright future ahead of her. She was the kind of carefree girl who would dance about, from the thrill of successfully baking a cake. But her father was an embezzler, and he committed suicide when his scheme was discovered. Oriko was shunned and emotionally abused by her classmates until she was very close to throwing her life away. Then she did throw it away, except an Incubator caught it. Now, Oriko is working towards a bright future once more! Hooray!

... Does she really have faith in it?

In the idea that the people she is saving even deserve it? In herself?

the world won't randomly end at any point because Clarisse just went and did something without thinking it through.
To be clear, the world is unlikely to end because of Clarisse. It's likely to end because of aliens, or global thermonuclear annihilation which is a consequence of humanity's tendency towards war. These are difficult problems to solve; Oriko is temporally quite far upstream from many of these events: a position of power, but also one which impairs her ability to accomplish things precisely. The rest of the world isn't that fragile; even the soul shards don't just randomly go off and destroy. They're more like high explosives: they could explode but until you set them off they're incredibly stable.

because Clarisse is, as has been the topic of discussion lately, passionate and impulsive and sometimes possessed of a willful disregard for consequence.
(Mostly related to matters of romance and forbidden love.)

Stop leaving valuable magical artifacts unprotected.

In the voters' defense, they were trying very hard, but
-[X] Distribute Simona feathers to all magical girls and us until then
increased the attack surface dramatically. Don't anyone beat yourself up about it, though. It's not that it's a stupid idea or anything: having all your eggs in one basket is often a problematic approach that can leave you losing everything. However, in this case even a single soul shard is far too dangerous to allow to fall into the wrong hands. Kyuubey did warn you, in these or quite similar terms...

... speaking of which, where is the bunnycat these days anyway?
He's been absent for a long time.

Should we be worried?



...
 
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To be clear, the world is unlikely to end because of Clarisse. It's likely to end because of aliens, or global thermonuclear annihilation which is a consequence of humanity's tendency towards war.

I mean things can be overdetermined!
 
It's still a good idea to explain stuff to everyone and train them a bit. We even have more information about what's going on and what to expect now.
 
This is past tence, and given the interlooper has what looks like alien stelth tech, is the interlooper an alien?
It's past tense in the sense that she is speaking about a vision that she saw in the past.

is the interlooper an alien?
Let's see, what do we know... the interloper:
- possesses some capability that resembles an alien stealth device, but not a good one
- possesses the capability to use magic preloaded onto cards (the likes of which Clarisse can now imitate)
- seems to have the ability to not-appear-on-cameras (possibly while otherwise visible) (the likes of which Nanami can now imitate)
- seems to have appeared to someone in the text, who was more concerned with vampires than squidlike aliens exactly

This last one in particular suggests the interloper does not resemble a squid, which weakens the case that the interloper is an alien.

Oh, wait, you said the interlooper.
Do you think there is a time loop?
Oriko's suggested that you've been at risk of a time war.
 
- possesses the capability to use magic preloaded onto cards (the likes of which Clarisse can now imitate)
- seems to have the ability to not-appear-on-cameras (possibly while otherwise visible) (the likes of which Nanami can now imitate)
hot take: the Interloper is deliberately feeding magical applications to the Gang of Nice, either as some bizarre form of stealth support or to fatten them up for some nefarious purpose.
 
I don't quite remember who the interloper was. Was it the person that was tracking the magic girls after they teleported? Something to do with vampires and Homura's talismans? Why has the interloper come up anyways?
 
hot take: the Interloper is deliberately feeding magical applications to the Gang of Nice, either as some bizarre form of stealth support or to fatten them up for some nefarious purpose.

That would be interesting...

However, its time to actually think. I'm going to start by assuming the interloper could be any named person so far except us and Ryouko. I'm going to ignore people in the current timeline doing time travel latter since that would make this impossible.

People we know for sure arn't the interloper are Yuma, Kirika, Kyouko, Homura, Mami and Oriko. The first 5 because they were all around when chasing the interloper and Oriko was compelled to tell us the truth that she talked with the interloper, and therfore isn't the interloper herself.

Currently, Sayaka and Hitomi have shown themselves willing to turn off their trackers in order to engage in kissing practice (I hope Hitomi's was only turned off). Nanami could of course lie at any time given she is the tech girl. There are names on the list I don't think are likly at all, but included for completness. If there are any characters I've missed that we know of in the 2011 timeline, yell at me and i'll add them.

Possible CandidatesConfirmed Not Interloper
Shizuki HitomiChitose Yuma
Miki SayakaKure Kirika
Simona del Mago (US)Sakura Kyouko
Nakihara AsamiAkami Homua (glasses ver.)
Kaname MadokaTomoe Mami
Nakamura NanamiMikuni Oriko
Shiina YuukaClarisse von Rossum (Currently walpurgisnacht)
Tenjou Wakaba
Shizuki Tomoyo
Papa Shizuki
Yukari Hitomi
Akami Homua (future ver.)
Amy
Hanekawa Tsubasa
Ophelia
 
./~ interloper shenanigans are the most fun; I am imagining just what goes through Clarisse's head when she finally puts it together.
We know that Clarisse's reaction to learning the Interloper's identity would be amusing.

Hmm hmm hmm

Ah! We also know that someone is distributing magical charms - little white beads, strung on a cord - at school. Homura had one, until Clarisse feather-scrambled it and wiped the magic away. The, ah, 'vampire hunter' is handing out charms for warding off charms (read: marbles) to stop the spread of these charms. He also claims to not know where they're coming from.

We know the Interloper either can make containers for magic, or has a source of them. It would be tidy if this was the same source as the charms, but we can't say for sure.

The Interloper can disrupt teleportation magic, using one of their Interloper Cards.

Someone can track Ryouko's teleportation (and feed that information to Mr. Vampire Hunter).

I would tentatively rule Sayaka out as the Interloper, since Ryouko teleported to check on her immediately after the Interloper escaped.
 
Ah! We also know that someone is distributing magical charms - little white beads, strung on a cord - at school... . It would be tidy if this was the same source as the charms, but we can't say for sure.
Looking into this matter would make for an excellent follow-up investigation!

Someone can track Ryouko's teleportation (and feed that information to Mr. Vampire Hunter).
I notice that several of the candidates Planck listed have the technology to intercept location data, though if they're not actually in combat they'd need a lot of Governance-grade encryption secrets to decode them. Interacting with this information would be a good reason for the interloper not to just maintain total radio silence. If necessary, you could devise a test that sends inaccurate information, different locations to different people, and see which the interloper pays attention to.
 
Oh yeah, we need to vote.

[X] Question Oriko further about the interloper, but don't use any more magic on her.
 
[X] Question Oriko further about the interloper, but don't use any more magic on her.

I'm a bit lost, and I think I need to reread this arc.
 
rush out of the house with toast in your mouth
> Question Oriko about the interloper but don't use any more magic

Oriko resists much of your questioning.
"I'm not compelled to disclose my entire plan and agenda, Clarisse," she says. "As long as I'm not a two-faced manipulator, and a false friend."
"But you were doing magic," you ask, "while Kyouko was distracted."
"No magic," she says. "I made a phone call. On a landline phone, if you must know, so there's no records here, and if you did somehow trace it, you'd find it goes to an unsurveilled pay phone."
You frown.
"And how did you know to call that phone, without your future sight?"
Oriko smiles. "There's often more than one way to make interesting things happen, Clarisse."
"Tell me how, then," you say.
Oriko catches herself almost telling you how. She seems to make one or two false starts, before finding a way to distract herself from this with a digression.
"You didn't find it at all curious," she says, "when Nanami invented the magic that lets you hide from cameras?"
You consider this.
"It's not the only such inspiration we've had," you note. "The magic infused cards are another one. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be gathering from that, though, unless it's supposed to be some very strange way of giving us new ideas."
"Ah," she says. "So close, and yet so entirely wrong."
You ponder.
Something in your understanding of the interloper is not quite right, you realize. Nanami made people immune to cameras. And the interloper, indeed, seems to be immune to cameras — but the high schooler you spoke to certainly seemed to expect that she was otherwise visible, as you would expect from that magic. But when you chased her down, and nearly caught her near Sayaka's place, she appeared to have an alien stealth device, and was entirely invisible.
Maybe she has both, somehow? More than one way to make interesting things happen.
"Is the interloper an alien?" you ask.
Oriko snorts.
"No," she says.
Then she volunteers a bit more.
"She's someone you already know," says Oriko. "There. That's the other little deception, and I can shut up now without being driven to distraction by the impulse to tell you so. You should have some toast."
"Toast?" you ask.
There is a Ding noise. You look over to the toaster, where a slice waits for you.
Oriko has prepared some fruit preserves, as well, to spread upon it.
"If you are to be running around all night, you'll need to have more to eat," she says.
"Is there something I should know?" you ask Oriko.
"Yes," she says. "You should know that magical girls have infiltrated the detachment which will be investigating the previous landing site."
"The which that will what?" you ask, alarmed.
Signal on the FTL detector, sends Nanami, suddenly. She attaches the readout.



> rush out of the house with toast in your mouth

It's about 4 in the afternoon in the Eastern time zone.

[Aliens][ ] Proceed directly to make contact with alien magical girls at the landing site
-[] (write in messages for them)
-[] (logistics? accompanying persons?)
[Aliens][ ] Send a delegation to the landing site
-[] Just Simona
-[] (write in Gang of Nice members)
-[] (write ins)
[Aliens][ ] Leave them to the American magical girls
[Aliens][ ] Attempt to establish communications with the aliens via radio waves
-[] Suggest Mitakihara is actually the place that they're looking for!
-[] (write in messages)
[Aliens][ ] Teleport to an alien vessel before they land
-[] (write in plans and objectives)

[Interloper][] (write in any schemes, plots, traps or countermeasures)

[Oriko][] Increase your surveillance of her, perhaps with technology
[Oriko][] Continue to integrate her into the group despite these worrisome habits
[Oriko][] Arrange further magical honesty therapy in the near future
[Oriko][] (write in something)

[Masquerade][] Start plans to drop the masquerade directly, to better control the narratives
[Masquerade][] Start looking for sympathetic persons to effect selective disclosure
- [] Prestigious scientists and academics
- [] Powerful politicians
- [] Popular culture figures, idols, etc
- [] (write in)
[Masquerade][] Obscurity remains the best policy, even if the masquerade drops
[Masquerade][] Make plans with the group, advocating (write in advocacy)
 
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