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Since this is a PMMM story quest, and the 300k threadmarked words is intimidating to me, I have to ask, what is the angst-to-catharsis balance for this quest? Like is it grimdark meguca stuff, or is there actual purpose and payoff for the misfortunes happening in the story?
 
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Hmm, it's pretty low grim dark ... sort of. I mean bad things happen, but it's not a tragedy. It's not even the fairy tale like the original series.
The bad things are problems to be solved.
 
Since this is a PMMM story quest, and the 300k threadmarked words is intimidating to me, I have to ask, what is the angst-to-catharsis balance for this quest? Like is it grimdark meguca stuff, or is there actual purpose and payoff for the misfortunes happening in the story?

It is too confusing to be compared properly.
It is somewhat less grimdark than Madoka, comparative to the fanfic this is partially based on.
 
Since this is a PMMM story quest, and the 300k threadmarked words is intimidating to me, I have to ask, what is the angst-to-catharsis balance for this quest?

I try to manage a balance! There have been moments, but the voters' choices, like dissuading Sayaka from making a contract, have probably limited a major angst source for now.


I have an occasion on Saturday which I would like to write; might it be generally possible to obtain more votes by then?

[x] Tell him about looking for missing girls.
[x] Give his bike a flat.
I request clarity on your intent: do you envision this action as sneaky or overt? I am happy to write either, of course.
Are you on board with any Ceph-related vote?

Belated follow-ups:
If you were a part-time paranormal investigator, maybe even a vampire hunter, who knows - I don't, um, think there are actual vampires in Mitakihara but you never know the world is a strange place -
Of course it's possible that there might be witch activities which could be mistaken for vampires. However, I will note that some of his talk of vampires coincided with him checking whether or not you showed up on a camera, a capability which has recently been demonstrated by Nanami's magic.
Also if you're wrong you're definitely going to need more donuts.
These ceph already know that someone on this planet is awesome and magical - see, for instance, the highly energetic feather moment that lured them here; or the liberal use of magic in extracting Simona and Ophelias from ceph custody on multiple occasions.
For what it's worth I'd like to remind you that while the statement is true, we have previously learned that there are multiple factions and so you ought not be certain whether these Ceph are the same, and if not the same, whether they have specific information on what you did before with Simona.
 
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[Aliens][X] Allow Ryouko to meet the aliens openly
-[X] Bring Simona in person to assist
[High schooler][X] Explain witch kisses, vaguely, in the hopes that he can be usefully directed.
- [X] But also sneakily give his bike a flat tire.

Since we appear? to be in broad agreement on negotiation strategy, there remains only the matter of this vampire hunter, who I would like to not be a problem right this second while also maybe keeping options open for productive cooperation in the future.

Thus, a tangible lead (and a public good, as well) while also, ideally, preventing him from crashing our summit.
 
[Aliens][X] Allow Ryouko to meet the aliens openly
-[X] Bring Simona in person to assist
-[X] Make a quick trip to provide Simona with more secure communications gear
[High schooler][X] Explain witch kisses, vaguely, in the hopes that he can be usefully directed.
- [X] But also sneakily give his bike a flat tire.

If we're bringing Simona in person, let's fix the secure communications issue while we're at it.
 
[Aliens][X] Allow Ryouko to meet the aliens openly
-[X] Bring Simona in person to assist
-[X] Make a quick trip to provide Simona with more secure communications gear
[High schooler][X] Explain witch kisses, vaguely, in the hopes that he can be usefully directed.
- [X] But also sneakily give his bike a flat tire.
 
[Aliens][X] Allow Ryouko to meet the aliens openly
-[X] Bring Simona in person to assist
[High schooler][X] Explain witch kisses, vaguely, in the hopes that he can be usefully directed.
- [X] But also sneakily give his bike a flat tire.
 
I love you, Ryouko
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> [Aliens] Allow Ryouko to meet the aliens openly. Bring Simona in person to assist.
> [High schooler] Explain witch kisses, vaguely, in the hopes that he can be usefully directed. But also sneakily give his bike a flat tire.

The kitchen presents a variety of tools to effect a tire puncture, but there are fewer that might be somewhat stealthy. You settle on a paring knife with a small plastic sheath; it should be concealable but readily puncture the sidewall.



The next thing to do is to bring Simona; you have made a note to get her secure communication equipment before you send her back.

She is of course willing to go. Too willing, almost. You remind her that this is important and dramatics are best kept to a minimum.
It ends up about as awkward as you expected. Ryouko is uncertain how to interact with Simona as someone who is in love with her, and is trying to act the same as she acted before, as if it was not actually a thing. As for Simona, she's clearly working to remain calm, but it's clearly work for her to do so.

You don't stay long, needing to effect your intercept, but you do watch Ryouko through remote access.

"I'm back at school again," relates Simona. "Sometimes it feels like that's the life we should have had. Just two small people in the big universe." She sighs. "But then I think it's just an illusion. The idea, I mean. An idyllic life of peace was never something fate truly offered us."

"Uh-huh," answers Ryouko, blandly.

"Um," says Simona, looking at the ground. "There's, uh, something I always wanted to tell you, that I never got the chance. If you wouldn't mind."

"Go ahead," says Ryouko.

"I love you, Ryouko," she says, almost pleading — perhaps as much with reality itself as with Ryouko.

Ryouko nods. "I know," she says, looking back at Simona for a moment, and then turns to the horizon. "I think we have company," she notes.

Simona manages to look only finitely upset at the matter.



You plant yourself in the bike lane, deliberately in his way of the high schooler, but with plenty of time to stop once he sees you, and wave him down as he approaches.

For a moment he doesn't slow down at all, but then, perhaps changing his mind, he skids to a stop.

"I'm trying to get somewhere in a hurry," he says. "Is it important?"

"I wanted to talk with you about missing girls," you say.

This statement gets his attention, and he leaps off the bike, leaning it up against a telephone pole.

You present to him, as you planned, a fuzzy, mundane, and slightly circuitous summary of what happens to someone under the influence of a witch's kiss. He seems to be engaged by what you're saying, and perhaps distracted by thoughts of how to apply it; it's easy to nick the side of a tire while he stares off into the distance. You conclude ambiguously.

"I see," says the boy.

"Well?" you ask. "What do you think of all that?"

"Useless," he says.

"I beg pardon?" you ask.

You were hoping for a little warmer of a reception than that, and it did look promising.

"It's all useless," he says, not quite yelling at you, but on the verge of it, and certainly a bit upset. "You can tell me that they disappear, but you can't tell me where they went, can you? I already know they disappear. So you're useless."

A new voice interrupts. "Don't be so fast to call the ojou-sama useless," it says.

The voice belongs to a man, just slightly unkempt, blonde, and wearing a Hawaiian shirt. He's also carrying a thing on a chain. You're not entirely sure what the point of it is, but it appears to be a combustion chamber for something fragrant.

"Never underestimate a young lady, Araragi. You would think Tsukihi-chan would have taught you better." He turns to regard you. "I wonder," he says, "is this one dangerous?"

You look at him skeptically as he swings the device around you systematically, producing a fragrant smoke in a circle around you. He studies this smoke as it rises.

You make a small show of sneezing, though you could have readily suppressed it. You're somewhat not a fan of unknown ceremonies being applied to you.

"Not so dangerous. At least, not yet," he concludes.

"What is that supposed to be?" you ask, dubious.

"It's called a censer, ojou-chan," he says. "For incense. With the right training one can perform certain divinations from the smoke. It's not my usual approach; too Western," he relates, now swinging it about idly. "But my usual approach seems to have failed me, and I —"

Here the body of the censer stops at the top of its arc, suspended in the air, as it points directly to you. This does not appear to be part of its normal operation, and ought to be impossible, without some very clever trickery involved.

"Oh dear," he says, and tugs it back into a realm dominated by normal physics.

"What?" you ask.

"Maybe you're not so harmless after all," he proposes. "And I was starting to worry it was broken, too."

"What's in there?" you ask.

"Charcoal," he says. "And frankincense. See?"

He raises the lid to reveal charcoal, a few minimal flecks of the substance you assume is the frankincense, and — nestled in a special glass container clipped into the center— a grief seed.

He watches your reaction to this closely, and might have seen you flinch.

"And maybe something else. Can you see it?" he asks. "I wonder."

You take a moment to process the implications, while not giving anything more away. The man here is not magical and the grief seed is almost certainly invisible to him. Yet he or someone seems to have been able to exploit it, and fashion it into tools such as this one. In a world with no extant MSY, in a world with witches, non-magical people like him could very well be exploiting stray bits of magic, if they have help, or find it in the right form: primitive magical tools, curses. You can imagine, for instance, a non-magical girl "witch," working with an actual witch, or a familiar. And if you follow the train of thought to darker places — human sacrifices, to appease a witch, or obtain power. Or, perhaps closer to you: small, slightly dangerous trinkets, magic charms. And student's caution against charms suggests he may have seen ill.

"I'm sorry," says the student, shaking his head. "I don't have the time for this."

"Ah, you must forgive my friend," says the man, putting away the censer. "He is looking for his missing sister, so he is emotional sometimes, and it makes him stupid. But at least his heart is in the right place. It's quite touching, in a way."

"Hmph," says the student, as he starts to pedal away.

"And yourself?" you ask the man.

"There is an imbalance in the energies in this city," notes the man in the Hawaiian shirt. "Such an imbalance is dangerous, and can attract misfortunes and suffering from a great distance."

"Ah!" says the student, now a short way off. "My tire!"

"Trouble, Araragi-san?" asks the man, winking at you, then stepping over to take a look.

You take this moment to pay attention to the other things that are happening, which may be more important.



The alien vessel has approached much more carefully than the first one, and is using a very basic stealth technology; it decloaks as it engages its landing sequence. The ship appears to be a somewhat more sophisticated and slightly larger model than the other one that landed: a slightly more capable atmosphere-to-FTL transport. However, it is configured atypically, with short range defense and ship-to-ship energy weapons (though not particularly powerful ones) as well as a single torpedo launcher, likely more suitable for deep space engagement than atmospheric l. Machina observes that is unnaturally awkward by wartime standards, gluing together several capabilities that have no real synergies; under most circumstances the offensive armament would be better deployed as an escort to an unarmed transport.

Nanami proposes that this makes sense once you stop framing it in terms of war. She thinks it is an independent peacetime vessel, sent across the galaxy to investigate and chase down the first, and is equipped with some minimal armament for the task. It's not really equipped for fighting anything armed, she points out, but it's not expecting anything armed.

As the ship finishes landing, the squid make contact via telepathy. You don't have direct access to Ryouko's brain at this distance, and you are missing something, but the alien telepathy is different than anything you've encountered. It shows up as a dense concept bundle in Ryouko's thoughts:

I assume that you are a juvenile of the species and a member of the egg-laying reproductive caste who has secretly offered herself as a bulwark against decay and entropy.

And then, as faint echo: You are a magical girl.

Ryouko, however, seems to have experienced this in reverse, the thought of being a magical girl front and center as she replies with an acknowledgment, and little regard for the strange conceptual overtones of the message.

Another concept bundle hits Ryouko's brain. It's impossible to see all the details at this distance from Ryouko, as it has too many, but after a moment you understand Ryouko's interpretation.

An ancient religious order, now little more than a cult, saw a sign in the heavens, and stole a vessel to come here. The authorities have taken an interest in the theft and sent the current vessel in pursuit. The magical girls, secretly embedded among the government, also detected an excess of magic, and were able to send agents on the mission: the commander of the vessel, and the science officer.

Your message earlier complicates things, and looks to the mundane squid like have been negotiating with the cultists. She took a risk following its instructions, and she needs to know what is happening on this planet — and also, what you intend to tell the non magical squid government about what is going on. If you are willing to cooperate in this, she suggests that both magical girl groups can benefit, remaining hidden from the planetary authorities, and working together.

Ryouko is still willing to negotiate here, but she is surprised by the complications presented by the alien masquerade and seeks input from the others. Machina and Mami are hesitant to put their trust in the unproven magical girl, but Nanami thinks a collaboration is the only hope you have that you might actually avoid unwanted alien attention, so she wants to pursue it despite the risk.



> Multi-polar negotiations!

Mix and match of vote components are welcome!

[High schooler][] Ask more about this missing sister and offer assistance
-[] Avoid demonstrating any capabilities and stick to questions like whereabouts and whether she had a new fingernail tattoo or ring
-[] Demonstrate the trick where you don't show up on a camera, and demand information about the other girl who can do that, as a price
[High schooler][] Delegate assistance to someone else in the gang
-[] (write in who)
[High schooler][] Follow up with this Hawaiian shirt guy, who seems to be more in the know
-[] (write in approach and priorities)
-[] Offer to trade grief items for his open ended cooperation
-[] Demand his grief seed, asserting he has no right to it.
[High schooler][] Ditch this side quest for now, and join the other two at the aliens

[Squid][] Propose to cooperate and share the real story with the magical girls only (new forms of magic and a way around the Incubators).
-[] (Write in a cover story for the others.)
-[] Request assistance with a cover story from the magical squid.
[Squid][] Remain vague about what is going on with both groups, until you can assess them better.
[Squid][] Share a reasonably vague and noncommittal account of experiments which attracted the cult's attention for unknown reasons. Discuss the cult in terms of an attempted kidnapping; your message hoped to prevent another one.
[Squid][] Expose the magical girls in the group, and offer to work with the others to avoid further unwanted cultist incursions.
[Squid][] Assemble a large team of many magical girls to capture the vessel and its inhabitants; sort it all out later
[Squid][] Leave the negotiations to Ryouko and the others entirely

[Simona] (write in any interventions if that's what you have in mind)
[Nanami]
 
Wow, I have completely forgotten what's going on and what the other squid wanted. I suggest some form of cooperation with the aliens, and with Koyomi as well (weird crossover).

We should totally build a new anti-incubator magical alliance to replace the MSY.

Let's see how fast OP lays waste to my ambitions!
 
Cooperation with the aliens seems reasonable. Probably tell the magical cephs most everything. Regular cephs should get as much as we can without revealing magic; even if we wanted to, this is a bad time.

Not sure how we should handle them when/if we break Earth's masquerade. That's probably something to be negotiated later.

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Good that everything's ok, and hope you're feeling better! Are you from/somehow visiting the Yucatan area, or is that just a more or less arbitrary dedication?
 
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Regular cephs should get as much as we can without revealing magic; even if we wanted to, this is a bad time.
So here is the interesting challenge to expect with this approach: The (mundane) squid will eventually want to know the relevance and authority of the group they're interacting with. And without magic, you're basically nobody.

What approach best manages this limitation?


We should totally build a new anti-incubator magical alliance to replace the MSY.

The Incubators will be sure to help make your life interesting, I'm sure.

Do remember that Oriko has identified the magical squid faction as targeting you and Ryouko specifically in several visions of the future.

I suggest some form of cooperation with the aliens, and with Koyomi as well (weird crossover).
This crossover existed long before the quest and has been celebrated by SHAFT with the Madogatari exhibition and in Magia Record.


The real question is whether you can somehow get a Karen-Sayaka duet singing Marshmallow Justice.

Are you from/somehow visiting the Yucatan area, or is that just a more or less arbitrary dedication?
I would never be arbitrary in my dedications!
Or my avatar changes!
 
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Well, that was certainly some sort of present… Whew. That got close enough to my anxieties that I didn't manage to read it in any detail. Though, it is canon to Clarisse Quest, even more than the rest of Hitomi Loves Girls, I assume?

My only guess as to why the ceph magi might attack us is either the risk we reveal magic to the caph without their approval, or that they somehow get offended by us hating the incubators. I think the best way to solve the first is by careful negotiation over any interaction with them, and checking with them so they can ensure Earth is ignored when/if we break our masquerade. As for the second, I guess we just try to be cautious in bringing up any sort of anti-incubator alliance. Anyways, discussion otherwise seems to be over (or people are busy with the holidays, I suppose), and I know nothing about the apparent stealth crossover, so:

[High schooler][x] Ask more about this missing sister and offer assistance
-[x] Avoid demonstrating any capabilities and stick to questions like whereabouts and whether she had a new fingernail tattoo or ring
[Squid][x] Propose to cooperate and share the real story with the magical girls only (new forms of magic and a way around the Incubators).
-[x] Tell the squid as much as you can without revealing magic. Request assistance with the details and fabricating a justification for negotiating from the magical squid.

Oh, and I like the new avatar, even if it'll take me a bit to get used to it.
 
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Man that's heavy. Boy channeling his grief and dissatisfaction with materialism into conservatism. Nuclear bombs. Magic. Though I don't get why there's so many versions..Like theres two timelines one with the bomb, that I get. And presumably theirs a time line where he's a girl?

No..hmm.

This might be my best present of the year, honestly.
 
I know nothing about the apparent stealth crossover, so
The point where meta knowledge would help you is mostly passed. Araragi has two younger sisters in middle school, who are just chuuni enough to brand themselves as a duo, "The Fire Sisters;" at least one of them is missing. (One of these sisters shares a voice actress with Sayaka, and is big on notions of Justice.)
Oh, and I like the new avatar, even if it'll take me a bit to get used to it.
It sometimes changes based on what I'm writing!


Though I don't get why there's so many versions..Like theres two timelines one with the bomb, that I get.
I have been notified that I may have accidentally double pasted in the story. I will scrutinize this when I have a chance this evening. There's only supposed to be two timelines.
 
I would never be arbitrary in my dedications!
Or my avatar changes!
It sometimes changes based on what I'm writing!
In light of these two statements
...
look I only watched season 1 of Shana and that was a long time ago; but on the other hand how many anime schools have olive drab sailor collars?

The new avi isn't Shana; and it isn't what's-her-name the other girl (look it was a long time ago!)

so, like

I'm ... call it 90-ish percent certain our benevolent QM's current avatar is one Yukari Hirai

...that is not ominous in the slightest!
Boy channeling his grief and dissatisfaction with materialism into conservatism.
Just to offer my perspective here ...

Actually I've been meaning to write about this for, like, a year but I keep getting distracted

But anyway um, like, at least for me there seems like there's another layer of reasoning behind why Nadeshiko was so mean to Yukari Hitomi?

Because, like, there is the sort of ... "oh, everything was better in the old days" mentality going on; traditional values and shit
And there is just, like, a ton of internalized sexism

but I think the angle that a lot of people miss because, um, it's a very trans angle

is that Yukari Hitomi was a clear and present threat to Nadeshiko and her worldview that Nadeshiko felt she had to remove, even though she didn't understand why she hated Yukari so much.

Because Yukari was a tomboy.

Yukari, consciously and deliberately, chose to eschew a conventionally feminine presentation.

And, like, look at this from Nadeshiko's perspective:

because Nadeshiko is super femme. Like. Extremely femme.
But the world won't let her be.
The world, society, her family, everyone, insists that she has to fit into a different box, one that is decidedly unfemme; and she hasn't realized that there's a way out.
Nadeshiko thinks she's a boy, because she hasn't chanced on anything that's let her realize that, like, no? No, she really isn't?

But anyway

Nadeshiko is super femme. She really, really likes the idea of being cute and domestic and fluffy and wearing frills and ribbons, of cooking, of singing, of caregiving, of maybe having a bunch of kids to raise and dote on. She likes the idea of being proper and poised and elegant. She, crucially, likes the idea of being all of those things as a girl, even if she can't articulate that. The ideal of the yamato nadeshiko is one she herself aspires to -

Except -

Except the entire world is convinced she's a boy.
Except she's been convinced that she's a boy.
Except she can't even acknowledge these feelings, because she doesn't have the words and has repressed super-hard because the world tries to hurt her if she makes any attempt to express them.

And -

And then here's this girl. Yukari.
A girl.
Someone who, through sheer chance, has all of the opportunities Nadeshiko wants.
(and yes that is a gross oversimplification but Nadeshiko is also, like, 16. Not precisely a PhD in gender theory or political science or even, like, common sense.)
A girl, who could be all of the things Nadeshiko wants to be but believes she'll never have the chance to -

And is electing to instead ride around on skateboards being a menace.

Nadeshiko doesn't have the words to explain why this hurts. She doesn't have the self-awareness to realize why. And without the tools or the knowledge she needs to understand why; or to grapple with the irrational fear that Yukari's behavior inspires; or to realize that hurting Yukari is not the right way to go about dealing with her own insecurities...

Well, it's easy for Nadeshiko to just ... lash out.
 
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Is Hitomi Loves Girls also related to this quest? Because this is making be even more confused. First we got a Monogatari cross, and now Shana, and I am unfamiliar with both to begin with.
 
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First we got a Monogatari cross, and now Shana,
I just took the name of the girl who spoilerd in episode spoiler! It's no more a Shana crossover than PMMM is an Utena crossover because of Miki Sayaka. :p
Is Hitomi Loves Girls also related to this quest?
it overlaps and they contain some of the same story. It has never been and is not intended to be mandatory reading but might contain general insights on how characters' inner selves work, mostly Hitomi.

I am sure there is a copy in the Star Empire's forbidden library between Resonance Days and Persephone's Waltz.
 
I just took the name of the girl who spoilerd in episode spoiler! It's no more a Shana crossover than PMMM is an Utena crossover because of Miki Sayaka. :p
The way that Yukari Hirai spoilers in episode spoiler is,

well

there's some parallels with Yukari Hitomi and her whole deal?

Sort of. If you squint.

Anyway due to the nature of Torches it is ...actually literally impossible to tell if any given piece of fiction is a Shana cross without explicit confirmation or denial via authorial fiat.

But we have that! So it's not worth worrying about.
 
Votes are presently... 1x this:

[High schooler][x] Ask more about this missing sister and offer assistance
-[x] Avoid demonstrating any capabilities and stick to questions like whereabouts and whether she had a new fingernail tattoo or ring
[Squid][x] Propose to cooperate and share the real story with the magical girls only (new forms of magic and a way around the Incubators).
-[x] Tell the squid as much as you can without revealing magic. Request assistance with the details and fabricating a justification for negotiating from the magical squid.


Anyone care for refinements before I write?
 
[High schooler][x] Ask more about this missing sister and offer assistance
-[x] Avoid demonstrating any capabilities and stick to questions like whereabouts and whether she had a new fingernail tattoo or ring
[Squid][x] Propose to cooperate and share the real story with the magical girls only (new forms of magic and a way around the Incubators).
-[x] Tell the squid as much as you can without revealing magic. Request assistance with the details and fabricating a justification for negotiating from the magical squid.

I agree with this.
 
Updoot may be delayed on account of the trans agenda. No really. I was probably legitimately the last to know I was a girl; it's funny how it works when you're only fooling yourself. Anyway I am investing in a small weekend religious pilgrimage before I do anything more to help effect that — as an investment to promote family peace. Your prayers are welcome!
I might have fooled you about which character was the self insert though! hahaha
 
Updoot may be delayed on account of the trans agenda. No really. I was probably legitimately the last to know I was a girl; it's funny how it works when you're only fooling yourself. Anyway I am investing in a small weekend religious pilgrimage before I do anything more to help effect that — as an investment to promote family peace. Your prayers are welcome!
I might have fooled you about which character was the self insert though! hahaha

I wish you all the luck in this world.
 
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