I don't know of any other TTS-based quests, but the other quest I participate in here is PMMM-based: Puella Magi Adfligo Systema.
It has been running for more than four years and five thousand pages, or about three weeks in-universe.
If you're interested, I would advise you to use the story-only thread or Reader Mode to get caught up on the story rather than try to read all five thousand pages of bickering and shitposting among the questers.
I think the only alternative to Madoka with anywhere near enough potential is us, by association with Ryouko. (Ryouko's already contracted, which rules her out.)
'Tis possible that we could farm enough wraiths to keep everyone in Grief Cubes, which seems to be what Oriko is trying to do. Implementing that worldwide seems like it would take years or decades, however.
I think it's important to keep in mind that we're not in our past, but in an alternate timeline entirely. Saving the future that we came from may have nothing to do with changing the present that we currently occupy.
I don't know of any other TTS-based quests, but the other quest I participate in here is PMMM-based: Puella Magi Adfligo Systema.
It has been running for more than four years and five thousand pages, or about three weeks in-universe.
If you're interested, I would advise you to use the story-only thread or Reader Mode to get caught up on the story rather than try to read all five thousand pages of bickering and shitposting among the questers.
'Tis possible that we could farm enough wraiths to keep everyone in Grief Cubes, which seems to be what Oriko is trying to do. Implementing that worldwide seems like it would take years or decades, however.
I think it's important to keep in mind that we're not in our past, but in an alternate timeline entirely. Saving the future that we came from may have nothing to do with changing the present that we currently occupy.
I've outlined the issue with Oriko's approach above: it's a stopgap measure, because each individual MG will still die or witch out eventually, and then there will be noone to save them. Plus, it will cripple Governance forces against Cephalopods.
It's true, this is not our past, but an AU. We need to either figure out how to get back, or to fix this timeline (by bringing back the Law of Cycles or something similar) and just live here. We don't know how to do either, so we need info, hence interrogations.
Other crucial pieces of information we do not have:
- if we can go back, how do we actually stop the squid?
- if we can go back, what happens to this timeline? Are they screwed because see above? We can't just abandon our friends and family here. It might be a better idea to just stay here then, make sure MSY and Governance happen, and get ready for Cephs by advancing technological development and warning everyone about aliens
- why does Madoka not have potential?
Ehhhh ... on this quest it's pretty lax; your particular vote is on the long side, though, with lots of specifics on plans we can't implement yet, and which will be subject to review and vote when we do. When I go through and condense it and try to combine it with other votes, it will probably look something-vaguely-like the following. (You don't have to try and write it like this, mind you, this is just the essentials that I'll trim it down to.)
[] Point out to Ryouko that Simona might have been present in the ribbon vision memories
-[] Question Yukari on Simona
[] Try to bring back Hitomi
-[] Remove hairpin
--[] by force if necessary
-[] Attempt use of ribbon
-[] Brainstorm other ideas with group if necessary
[] Keep it quiet afterwards
[] If she's really stuck, welp, help her settle in
-[] give her a tour, look at photos
-[] hide this change from the world but not from the gang/family
[] Ribbon (and/or hairpin) Madoka later, at our convenience
Still, this is a low-vote update at the moment so I don't mind and I'm just glad to have you around
PMAS, @Crystalwatcher's (Original) MG Quest, Madoka Dating Simulator, PMAV (dead fic, but interesting while it lasted), PMPS (Also dead, but interesting and salty while it lasted), Ignition (Multicross that includes PMMM), Disjunction (PMMM/Ignition crossover), Revision (AU)
[x] Ribbon Sayaka next time we run out of ideas what to do.
Imagine talking to someone with the experience of being a witch. It's like talking to dead people and asking them what heaven was like. It must be fun.
I've outlined the issue with Oriko's approach above: it's a stopgap measure, because each individual MG will still die or witch out eventually, and then there will be noone to save them.
The idea is to produce enough Grief Cubes to keep every magical girl's gem clean. But that's something like one cube per girl every three days, if I recall, and while I don't recall how many magical girls per capita are in the population, even if it's something as low as 1 per 1 million humans then we're still talking a couple thousand wraiths per day, and more if girls want to use their magic for anything. Scaling up to ~10K per day from about a dozen is going to take a long time.
Well, if (future) Homura is responsible to choosing or shaping this timeline in some way, then that may be because that's what she wants: a Madoka with no potential is a Madoka in no danger from Kyubey.
Ehhhh ... on this quest it's pretty lax; your particular vote is on the long side, though, with lots of specifics on plans we can't implement yet, and which will be subject to review and vote when we do. When I go through and condense it and try to combine it with other votes, it will probably look something-vaguely-like the following. (You don't have to try and write it like this, mind you, this is just the essentials that I'll trim it down to.)
Still, this is a low-vote update at the moment so I don't mind and I'm just glad to have you around
Yeah, most of my post was explanations / long-term plans, I realize that we can't do those things yet.
I'll try to keep the actual votes a bit cleaner and shorter next time, if I can manage it.
Glad I'm not being disruptive!
As general feedback to the quest, and I'm new to the idea of quests like these, so just as work of writing, I found this whole journey absolutely hilarious at many points, fascinating, and an emotional rollercoaster I couldn't stop reading. I do have one gripe, which is that recently there seems to be a new plot complication thrown in every other "page", as it were, hence my plan to minimize the amount of mess, which should help both OOC and IC.
That is correct, and is presumably for resting drain/low intensity hunting. (Just reread the relevant TTS chapter.)
The problem is this: witches and grief seeds are unsustainable for large groups.
Unlike Cubes, which are divisible, and are produced by the dozen per miasma, witches are limited to either Witch-outs or Familiar evolutions*. Given that the former is politically unpopular, the latter is the only option if we accept the Seed regime.
Cubes are far easier to store and stockpile, in contrast.
*I suppose we could just stockpile full seeds until they respawn, but that also has issues.
[x] Ribbon Sayaka next time we run out of ideas what to do.
Imagine talking to someone with the experience of being a witch. It's like talking to dead people and asking them what heaven was like. It must be fun.
The idea is to produce enough Grief Cubes to keep every magical girl's gem clean. But that's something like one cube per girl every three days, if I recall, and while I don't recall how many magical girls per capita are in the population, even if it's something as low as 1 per 1 million humans then we're still talking a couple thousand wraiths per day, and more if girls want to use their magic for anything. Scaling up to ~10K per day from about a dozen is going to take a long time.
If I remember correctly, in TtS there were 2 million MGs per 100 million total human military or 40 billion humans overall. That gives us about 1 per 20 thousand, but in 21st century probably a lot fewer because they tend to die a lot more than even in the war.
But my point is, first, Governance military won't be able to function nearly as well because girls will witch out and attack allied forces mid-combat, and second, every girl, and in particular Ryuoko and Kyuoko, whom we care most about, will eventually either die or witch out, and they'll spend a lot more time dead than alive, so if they don't get to go to afterlife, we the Clarisse have seriously failed in our caretaker duties.
She probably can't do it without Madokami powering her up. Besides, this Homura doesn't have wings and a bow, she has a shield and timestop, which would make her extremely deadly against Cephs, sure, but probably not solo-fleet-destroying deadly
She probably can't do it without Madokami powering her up. Besides, this Homura doesn't have wings and a bow, she has a shield and timestop, which would make her extremely deadly against Cephs, sure, but probably not solo-fleet-destroying deadly
But my point is, first, Governance military won't be able to function nearly as well because girls will witch out and attack allied forces mid-combat, and second, every girl, and in particular Ryuoko and Kyuoko, whom we care most about, will eventually either die or witch out, and they'll spend a lot more time dead than alive, so if they don't get to go to afterlife, we the Clarisse have seriously failed in our caretaker duties.
If magical girls are still using Grief Seeds, then military MGs will never be a thing, because girls won't survive long enough. (However, in a non-Madokami universe, would the Ceph invasion still happen? Not if it's the result of Incubator perfidy.) The idea behind Plan Wraith Farming is to eventually be able to produce as many Grief Cubes as MSY eventually did in our own timeline, thereby removing Grief scarcity. Four hundred years is a wee bit too far ahead to be planning.
If magical girls are still using Grief Seeds, then military MGs will never be a thing, because girls won't survive long enough. (However, in a non-Madokami universe, would the Ceph invasion still happen? Not if it's the result of Incubator perfidy.) The idea behind Plan Wraith Farming is to eventually be able to produce as many Grief Cubes as MSY eventually did in our own timeline, thereby removing Grief scarcity. Four hundred years is a wee bit too far ahead to be planning.
That is what I'm assuming, yes. Basically, Oriko's plan, or Plan Wraith Farming, if it goes through, will go something like this:
1. We spread out the grief cubes
2. Girls get more and more gried from cubes, so fewer girls witch out
3. Eventually, just like in the original TtS timeline, grief scarcity is overcame, MSY is established, history goes forward as before, except the few girls who fall into despair anyway still witch out
4. HOWEVER, girls that witch out or die aren't saved, which is UNACCEPTABLE
5. HOWEVER NUMBER TWO, Homura will not be able to save us at New Athens
6. HOWEVER NUMBER THREE, when the Cephs invade (and if they were sent by Incubators, they might not, but Clarisse doesn't know that, and we can only operate on what she knows), MGs will be less effective because many of them will still witch out mid-combat and attack friendly forces. Of course, Governance could outift each soul gem with a system that shatters it when at low energy to prevent withching out, but that is still fraught with problems
Which is why for us the Clarisse Oriko's plan is nice, but UNACCEPTABLE!
Adhoc vote count started by tomoyo on Jun 19, 2018 at 9:59 AM, finished with 42 posts and 8 votes.
Okay THAT post you did wrong, because voting is not a union of all [x] boxes you've placed, and any post with any votes will erase all previous votes..
[X] Point out to Ryouko that Simona might have been present in the ribbon vision memories
-[X] Question Yukari on Simona
[X] Try to bring back Hitomi
-[X] Remove hairpin
--[X] by force if necessary
-[X] Attempt use of ribbon
-[X] Brainstorm other ideas with group if necessary
[X] Keep it quiet afterwards
[X] If she's really stuck, welp, help her settle in
-[X] give her a tour, look at photos
-[X] hide this change from the world but not from the gang/family
-[X] enlish her help in the gang
[X] Ribbon (and/or hairpin) Madoka later, at our convenience
Also
[X] Ribbon Sayaka next time we run out of ideas what to do.
I was the one who did the whole ribbon guess work, so here is the summary.
The closer a relationship to Madoka, the stronger the reaction to the ribbon. Ryouko has almost no relationship, hence she hasn't had ribbon visions that much. Yuuka had one, but she is a classmate of Madoka, but not so close they walk to school together. Hitomi walks to school with Madoka so is a close friend, she had a stronger reaction to the ribbon. Then of course Madoka had the strongest reaction, but its her ribbons so that is to be expected. Extending this to sayaka, she would probably have a bigger reaction then Hitomi since she is just as close to Madoka, if not closer, AND she died in our timeline, which is where the ribbon is from (even if Madoka herself is timeless).
I was the one who did the whole ribbon guess work, so here is the summary.
The closer a relationship to Madoka, the stronger the reaction to the ribbon. Ryouko has almost no relationship, hence she hasn't had ribbon visions that much. Yuuka had one, but she is a classmate of Madoka, but not so close they walk to school together. Hitomi walks to school with Madoka so is a close friend, she had a stronger reaction to the ribbon. Then of course Madoka had the strongest reaction, but its her ribbons so that is to be expected. Extending this to sayaka, she would probably have a bigger reaction then Hitomi since she is just as close to Madoka, if not closer, AND she died in our timeline, which is where the ribbon is from (even if Madoka herself is timeless).
And that's bad? How? I think it's the opposite, she could know useful things. And dead!Sayaka was a rather balanced and level-headed individual, so it's not like she's a danger.
BTW, I understand there's a Discord server for this quest, or for TtS in general? Care to share a link?
And that's bad? How? I think it's the opposite, she could know useful things. And dead!Sayaka was a rather balanced and level-headed individual, so it's not like she's a danger.
I was trying not to say if it was good or bad in the reply, just give the reasoning as it why Sayaka having the ribbon would be expected to cause a similar or bigger reaction then Hitomi, though I am against ribboning people myself.
[3] Point out the possibility of past Simona [2] Question Yukari-san on past Simona
[3] Put hairpin back in box (and hopefully Yukari-san with it) [3] Give Yukari-san a tour to satisfy her
-[3] Ask her all about her friends
-[3] Look through the photos in the cabinet for her and her friends [1] Help her settle into Hitomi's life (+1) only if the other options fail
[2] Ribbon Sayaka next time we run out of ideas what to do. [1] NEVER EVER EVER DO THAT [1] Ribbon Madoka later
[1] Tell Papa later
[1] Keep it quiet
When we asked Yukari-Hitomi-in-Shizuki-Hitomi's-body what her name was, she seemed confused that we didn't know. She thought we already knew her. Which makes me wonder: who does she think we are?
(Yukari was hanging out with Hitomi's mom before she was brought here, not in the middle of a nuclear apocalypse, so if Simona showed up in the '80s to save survivors to preserve the timeline or something, then Yukari may not have met her yet.)
[x] Ask Yukari if she recognizes us.
[X] Point out to Ryouko that Simona might have been present in the ribbon vision memories
-[X] Briefly question Yukari on Simona, saying it's very important, then:
[X] Give Yukari-san a tour to satisfy her
-[X] Look through the photos in the cabinet for her and her friends
-[X] Ask her all about her friends
[X] Ask Yukari to put the hair pin in back in the box
-[X] Explain you want just don't want anyone to panic or do anything that can't be undone
--[X] Especially the possibility our Hitomi is now in the past and might do something
-[X] THEN recover the ribbon
[X] Hope this situation resolves quietly before he notices
-[X] and tell him afterwards REGARDLESS of outcome
[X] Point out to Ryouko that Simona might have been present in the ribbon vision memories
-[X] Briefly question Yukari on Simona, saying it's very important, then:
[X] Ask Yukari-san if she's aware what happened to Hitomi-san, who's body she's using. Ask if Hitomi is okay, or swapped places, or what. You're worried about her mental state.
[X] Give Yukari-san a tour to satisfy her, if she insists as a condition to going back from whence she came.
-[X] Look through the photos in the cabinet for her and her friends
-[X] Ask her all about her friends
[X] Ask Yukari to put the hair pin in back in the box
-[X] Explain you want just don't want anyone to panic or do anything that can't be undone
--[X] Especially the possibility our Hitomi is now in the past and might do something
-[X] THEN recover the ribbon
[X] Hope this situation resolves quietly before he notices
-[X] and tell him afterwards REGARDLESS of outcome
As fun as this body swap thing is, I'm really worried Hitomi is freaking the fuck out, when we said we'd protect her and maybe put her conciousness into a fucking nuked 80s, as was foretold in the DTV archives. She seems like an empathetic person, so lets remind her that her presence is kinda causing issues (and hope she doesn't remember enough to point out all the hypocrisy in that statement)
Homura did a exorcism to get rid of the upgrades, she could try to do a reverse exorcism to get them back, right? To fit into the group, to be like the rest of her friends. Like the two other magical girls. Yeah?
well I'm only halfway caught up.
Edit: on a second note. As Kyuube says grief cubes are incubator weapons that are deployed when things seem dire, for them at least. What would be more dire than their grief harvesting operations becoming untenable, as in no more witches.
So cause no more witches appear they activate their von neuman grief bomb. Tough i wonder if it's safer without witches, instead of two foes now there is only one. huh.
And the incubators don't lie, cause they love being blunt as possible. A quirk of their species, or their creation, or maybe a ruse.
Knowing that a wish to save all magical girls will make the incubators release a WMD is quite hilarious. Yeah?
To extrapolate from this is that the future is likely a grand design of the incubators in the first place.
When we asked Yukari-Hitomi-in-Shizuki-Hitomi's-body what her name was, she seemed confused that we didn't know. She thought we already knew her. Which makes me wonder: who does she think we are?
