Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Raichu1972 · Apr 5, 2019

10ebbor10 said:
Yeah, but's she's referring to first hand experience.

Urth's first hand experience is that messing with the Arthryn isn't all that bad.

I mean, compare and contrast
The Forluc threw 3 massive armies at us just because we existed, to the point of destroying their own society just to get at us.
Urth hijacks the mind of our leader, tries to hijack the minds of 2 more leaders/heroes, murders another leader, creates a civil war, and we go with a very generous peace treaty after sending just 1 single secondary attack against her. We don't even hold a grudge (IC, at least).

Edit:

I'm pretty sure that Urth's actual opinion is "Don't mess with Arthryn without a plan", but that's not exactly a diplomatic thing to say.

It could also be that Urth is cautioning Nalnir specifically not to mess with Arthryn.
When Urth did it, she was perfectly willing to offer up literally everything but her life in payment, and was very persistent on doing so. That we took her up on basically none of it is our fault, but I digress.

Nalnir seems much less likely to do anything of the sort, so if he messes with Arthryn we will likely keep fighting until we beat some concessions out of his nation.

Chrestomanci · Apr 5, 2019

10ebbor10 said:
I see no reason to trust Urth or Nalnir on their word. They've given us no reason to trust them, and plenty of reason to distrust. Urth, we know, is perfectly willing and capable of manipulating their supposed friends into a war by getting innocent civilians slaughtered. She happily used infiltration and subversion to assassinate or kidnap people on several occasions.

In addition, the claim she makes is not that credible.

Urth claims that messing with Arthryn's followers isn't worth it.
But we know that a massive amount of her current society, as well as her current divinity, is based on stuff she got from messing with us.
The price she paid for that is comparatively tiny :
- Part of her forest got raided
- Some Lowland relations were lost as part of her treason
- She had to send a bit of research our way, as well as 1 Temp Martial.

We lost far more in the war with her, or in the Forluc war, and we gained less. But I woulds still say that either of those wars were worth it.

So, the question is. Did Urthryn somehow become a pacifist, or is she being free with the truth for diplomatic purposes?

Well, from Urth's experience we are the 'Northern Demons'.

We came out of nowhere and butchered his forces, when he first became immortal.
Then generations later we invaded his midland region, and killed a number of revenants. The revenants we killed likely included a number of Urth's friends.
While he defended his territory, we killed him resulting in the loss of all Caradysh territory outside the forest.
Once he recovered, he investigated the Maradysh. Discovering that we were engaging in a campaign of cultural and religious conversion, he realised that we were a major threat. He tried to assassinate our royal family and steal our magic, which he partly succeeded at.
We retaliated and invaded his forest, shattering her defences. We spent years slaughtering our way to her capital and were only barely stopped by becoming trapped between her capital's walls and the recalled southern army. She captured our Cadlon and attempted to convert him into a servant, but the captives turned themselves into stone. Arthryn then used their sacrifice to create a holy site dedicated to Arthryn in the heart of her territory. The goddesses can emerge from that holy site and assault the Caradysh core at any time.
Knowing that she could not defeat our military or goddesses, Urth decided to use her daughters to engage in diplomacy with everyone. We refused the (fairly generous) peace terms.
She managed to convince the Maradysh to ally with her against us, only for the Arthryn- worshipping Maradysh to attack her new allies. All Maradysh who were willing to make peace with the Caradysh were genocided.
We began to expand into the lowlands, and only accepted peace with the Caradysh due to the danger the Forluc posed.
She ascended to godhood, and on her return she found out that we had single-handedly won the war against the Forluc. She learned that we betrayed our ally by stealing their capital city under the cover of the war against the Forluc.

Urth basically suffered major losses against us repeatedly. Her only real success was absconding with a member of our royal family and taking those two blessings from us.

The tribute she paid for peace was much more than just 'a bit of research'. And if the Forluc war had gone as expected (she did not have the OOC knowledge that their economy was fragile) then her people faced significant danger by joining our war with them.

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masterofmadness · Apr 5, 2019

So... what are people thinking about for actions next turn?

Random Member · Apr 5, 2019

masterofmadness said:
So... what are people thinking about for actions next turn?

Let's do a test by doing nothing but Study actions for an entire turn! The result might be interesting.

Chrestomanci · Apr 5, 2019

masterofmadness said:
So... what are people thinking about for actions next turn?

Depends on what happens in the update, but to please the Priestesses and Elders we should start Codified Law.

Priestesses (4) = Mood: Uncertain, Ability: Add half of faction power to Mystic, Objective: Begin in Codified Law 2 Turns, Success/Failure: ???/???
Elders (3 (5)) = Mood: Uncertain, Ability: Add half of their faction power to another faction, Objective: Complete Codified Law in 3 Turns, Success/Failure: ???/???

Zaealix · Apr 5, 2019

My thoughts.
Urth: as before don't trust this one. Our Goddess have a power advantage but she's power hungry. Her people getting up to shenanigans also might be a thing unless we shape up.
With Nalnir, the biggest worry is him joining Urth, but his civ, while bad, isn't that much of a threat...I think.
Going forward...
Hrmf, I dislike many of the decisions made but ultimately nothing seems like a major weakness/need to address. More infrastructure is good but I'm thinking I want to look outwards and continue to do so for awhile. Maybe if we can pick up another province auto-action, that can be put towards building any infrastructure we might still be missing.

Raichu1972 · Apr 5, 2019

For everyone making plans on what to do next turn, we will be having 5 player secondaries and 6 province secondaries.

...Lowlands OP, pls don't nerf

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 5, 2019

Hello everyone! I just caught up and am very interested in participation.

So with that said,

[X] [Epic] Evalon proves himself to be skilled with the teachings and magics of the goddesses. (Mystic Hero)
[X] [Bonus] Put Codified Law on automatic action track (Will gain +1 Progress each turn with no action cost, but you will still need to stat costs)
[X] [GA] Improve relations with all neighbours. (-6 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

As can be seen with improving relations both Mysticism and Culture also plays into things, with the concept of "if they understand us better they'll like us better".

Lastly went with Codified Law being on the fast track in the hopes that we can better define "Sacred Guardian-General" (I'm hoping that we formally recognize her as a indenpent Queendom within a larger kingdom. Basically, that she is still a Queen but recognize the Cadlon as a "High King").

Also, Mysticism should help define that "Sacred" part.

Oshha · Apr 5, 2019

Vote is still open.
Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest - Original | Page 431 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 10774-10927]
##### NetTally 1.9.7
Task: Epic
[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be charming and charismatic like Wonlyn. (Diplo Hero)
No. of Votes: 21
[X][Epic] Evalon proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records like Evatine. (Gain an Admin Hero)
No. of Votes: 18

Random Member
ALanos
Chrestomanci
Citino
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
Just Some Guy
kalugin
Lukepop
masterofmadness
nat_401
nkd1325
PurposefulZephyr
Raptor580
Redciv3
sunrise
SyntheticTrevor

[X][Epic] Evalon proves to himself to have a creative and inventive mind. (Tech Hero)
No. of Votes: 12

Random Member
Chrestomanci
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
Killer_Whale
kobo
Lab_Accident
Lukepop
sunrise
UlseDovThur

[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be an excellent crafter and storyteller. (Culture Hero)
No. of Votes: 11

kobo
10ebbor10
Gino
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
kalugin
khang
Lab_Accident
LordEdric
sunrise
UlseDovThur

[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be skilled with the teachings and magics of the goddesses. (Mystic Hero)
No. of Votes: 9

Random Member
BlueFlamingWings
Gamesguy
kobo
Lab_Accident
masterofmadness
Redciv3
Star
UlseDovThur

[X][Epic] Evalon did not proved to be especially talented or skilled in any area. (No Hero)
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be an heir to the Champion of Arthryn's martial legacy. (Martial Hero)
No. of Votes: 1

Gamesguy

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Bonus
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Inspirations
No. of Votes: 30
[X][Bonus] Gain two or more Innovations.
No. of Votes: 10

Random Member
ConfusedCanuck
Gino
Hallesworth49
khang
kobo
Lab_Accident
Lukepop
Redciv3
Zaealix

[X][Bonus] Gain a martial Value
No. of Votes: 9

Random Member
Citino
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
kalugin
khang
LonelyWolf999
sunrise

[x][Bonus] Gain Legacy Divine Champions
No. of Votes: 7

Raptor580
Chrestomanci
demonthese2211
Gamesguy
khang
Star
UlseDovThur

[X][Bonus] Put Codified Law on automatic action track (Will gain +1 Progress each turn with no action cost, but you will still need to stat costs).
No. of Votes: 6

Chiperninerm
BlueFlamingWings
Gino
Lukepop
masterofmadness
taovkool

[X][Bonus] Upgrade a random Value
No. of Votes: 3

Random Member
Chiperninerm
Redciv3

[X][Bonus] Gain a random Value
No. of Votes: 3

Random Member
Chiperninerm
khang

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: GA
[X][GA] Unlock the Grand Library Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 19

Random Member
Chiperninerm
Chrestomanci
demonthese2211
Donkey Hote
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
Just Some Guy
khang
Killer_Whale
Lukepop
nkd1325
Raptor580
Richiecorus
Star
sunrise
SyntheticTrevor
UlseDovThur

[X][GA] Unlock religious reforms. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 18

kobo
ALanos
Chiperninerm
Chrestomanci
Citino
ConfusedCanuck
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
khang
Lab_Accident
LonelyWolf999
masterofmadness
nat_401
veekie
Vocalend
wingstrike96
Zaealix

[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
No. of Votes: 14

Random Member
ALanos
Chiperninerm
Gamesguy
jjffjhjf
Killer_Whale
kobo
Lab_Accident
masterofmadness
nkd1325
PurposefulZephyr
Redciv3
Star
sunrise

[X][GA] Improve relations with all neighbours. (-6 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 11

Chiperninerm
BlueFlamingWings
Brogatar
Cariyaga
Gino
Kiba
PurposefulZephyr
Raichu1972
StarkDemise
thefoolswriter
veekie

[X][GA] Gain random nautical technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 5

Random Member
Gamesguy
Gino
Hallesworth49
Lukepop

[x][GA] Unlock the Grand Theatre Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 5

khang
10ebbor10
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
NúmenoreanNazgûl

[X][GA] Gain a Baby Boom. (-2 Econ, -2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 4

Random Member
Chrestomanci
Citino
kalugin

[X][GA] Gain random general technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 4

Random Member
Chrestomanci
kobo
Lab_Accident

[X][GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial,)
No. of Votes: 3

Random Member
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49

[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 3

Hallesworth49
Chrestomanci
Lukepop

[X][GA] Gain a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp mystic)
No. of Votes: 2

Random Member
Chiperninerm

[X][GA] Gain random social concept advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2

Random Member
Chrestomanci

[X][GA] Discover a new mine location. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

[X][GA] Upgrade a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

[X][GA] Gain a random Hero. (-3 Econ, -1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1

masterofmadness

[X][GA] Gain random magical knowledge advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 1

taovkool

Total No. of Voters: 47

Sheepa · Apr 5, 2019

[X][Epic] Evalon proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records like Evatine. (Gain an Admin Hero)
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Inspirations
[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)

Cariyaga · Apr 5, 2019

[X][GA] Unlock religious reforms. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be charming and charismatic like Wonlyn. (Diplo Hero)
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Inspirations

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 5, 2019

@Oshha, can the Great Marketplace be built in Caermyr?

Oshha · Apr 5, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
@Osha, can the Great Marketplace be built Caermyr?

Potentially.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 5, 2019

Oshha said:
Potentially.

Quick on the reply, lol.

Still, good to know.

Kiba · Apr 5, 2019

People are getting a bit myopic about where they want their marketplace to be built.

We have the ocean or sea available to us. Figure out who our neighbors actually are before the throwdown.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 5, 2019

Kiba said:
People are getting a bit myopic about where they want their marketplace to be built.

We have the ocean or sea available to us. Figure out who our neighbors actually are before the throwdown.

The whole point in taking Caermyr is that it's a center of trade. The core isn't located in a prime spot to trade with the rest of the known world.

Kiba · Apr 5, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
The whole point in taking Caermyr is that it's a center of trade. The core isn't located in a prime spot to trade with the rest of the known world.

What about the unknown world? Do some exploring. See who's our neighbors.

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 5, 2019

Kiba said:
What about the unknown world? Do some exploring. See who's our neighbors.

*shrug*

Sure.

Still no reason why not to keep trading and diplomancing our neighbors.

jjffjhjf · Apr 5, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
*shrug*

Sure.

Still no reason why not to keep trading and diplomancing our neighbors.

Kiba said:
What about the unknown world? Do some exploring. See who's our neighbors.

We can always just build more than one. It won't be the first and a megaproject, but we will be able to build more.

Kiba · Apr 5, 2019

Raichu1972 said:
For everyone making plans on what to do next turn, we will be having 5 player secondaries and 6 province secondaries.

...Lowlands OP, pls don't nerf

We do? I guess we can throw an explore action at the water part then.

Oshha · Apr 5, 2019

Vote is closed.
Vote Tally : Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest - Original | Page 431 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 10774-10930]
##### NetTally 1.9.7
Task: Epic
[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be charming and charismatic like Wonlyn. (Diplo Hero)
No. of Votes: 21
[X][Epic] Evalon proves to be naturally talented with the numbers and records like Evatine. (Gain an Admin Hero)
No. of Votes: 19

Random Member
ALanos
Chrestomanci
Citino
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
Just Some Guy
kalugin
Lukepop
masterofmadness
nat_401
nkd1325
PurposefulZephyr
Raptor580
Redciv3
sunrise
SyntheticTrevor
weskwong2

[X][Epic] Evalon proves to himself to have a creative and inventive mind. (Tech Hero)
No. of Votes: 12

Random Member
Chrestomanci
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
Killer_Whale
kobo
Lab_Accident
Lukepop
sunrise
UlseDovThur

[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be an excellent crafter and storyteller. (Culture Hero)
No. of Votes: 11

kobo
10ebbor10
Gino
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
kalugin
khang
Lab_Accident
LordEdric
sunrise
UlseDovThur

[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be skilled with the teachings and magics of the goddesses. (Mystic Hero)
No. of Votes: 9

Random Member
BlueFlamingWings
Gamesguy
kobo
Lab_Accident
masterofmadness
Redciv3
Star
UlseDovThur

[X][Epic] Evalon did not proved to be especially talented or skilled in any area. (No Hero)
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

[X][Epic] Evalon proves himself to be an heir to the Champion of Arthryn's martial legacy. (Martial Hero)
No. of Votes: 1

Gamesguy

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Bonus
[X][Bonus] Gain Legacy Ancient Inspirations
No. of Votes: 31
[X][Bonus] Gain two or more Innovations.
No. of Votes: 10

Random Member
ConfusedCanuck
Gino
Hallesworth49
khang
kobo
Lab_Accident
Lukepop
Redciv3
Zaealix

[X][Bonus] Gain a martial Value
No. of Votes: 9

Random Member
Citino
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
kalugin
khang
LonelyWolf999
sunrise

[x][Bonus] Gain Legacy Divine Champions
No. of Votes: 7

Raptor580
Chrestomanci
demonthese2211
Gamesguy
khang
Star
UlseDovThur

[X][Bonus] Put Codified Law on automatic action track (Will gain +1 Progress each turn with no action cost, but you will still need to stat costs).
No. of Votes: 6

Chiperninerm
BlueFlamingWings
Gino
Lukepop
masterofmadness
taovkool

[X][Bonus] Upgrade a random Value
No. of Votes: 3

Random Member
Chiperninerm
Redciv3

[X][Bonus] Gain a random Value
No. of Votes: 3

Random Member
Chiperninerm
khang

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: GA
[X][GA] Unlock religious reforms. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 19

kobo
ALanos
Cariyaga
Chiperninerm
Chrestomanci
Citino
ConfusedCanuck
Hallesworth49
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
khang
Lab_Accident
LonelyWolf999
masterofmadness
nat_401
veekie
Vocalend
wingstrike96
Zaealix

[X][GA] Unlock the Grand Library Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 18

Random Member
Chiperninerm
Chrestomanci
demonthese2211
Donkey Hote
Hallesworth49
jjffjhjf
Just Some Guy
khang
Killer_Whale
Lukepop
nkd1325
Raptor580
Richiecorus
Star
sunrise
SyntheticTrevor
UlseDovThur

[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
No. of Votes: 15

Random Member
ALanos
Chiperninerm
Gamesguy
jjffjhjf
Killer_Whale
kobo
Lab_Accident
masterofmadness
nkd1325
PurposefulZephyr
Redciv3
Star
sunrise
weskwong2

[X][GA] Improve relations with all neighbours. (-6 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 10

Chiperninerm
BlueFlamingWings
Brogatar
Gino
Kiba
PurposefulZephyr
Raichu1972
StarkDemise
thefoolswriter
veekie

[X][GA] Gain random nautical technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 5

Random Member
Gamesguy
Gino
Hallesworth49
Lukepop

[x][GA] Unlock the Grand Theatre Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 5

khang
10ebbor10
HanEmpire
jjffjhjf
NúmenoreanNazgûl

[X][GA] Gain a Baby Boom. (-2 Econ, -2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 4

Random Member
Chrestomanci
Citino
kalugin

[X][GA] Gain random general technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 4

Random Member
Chrestomanci
kobo
Lab_Accident

[X][GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial,)
No. of Votes: 3

Random Member
Gamesguy
Hallesworth49

[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 3

Hallesworth49
Chrestomanci
Lukepop

[X][GA] Gain a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp mystic)
No. of Votes: 2

Random Member
Chiperninerm

[X][GA] Gain random social concept advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2

Random Member
Chrestomanci

[X][GA] Discover a new mine location. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

[X][GA] Upgrade a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 1

Random Member

[X][GA] Gain a random Hero. (-3 Econ, -1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1

masterofmadness

[X][GA] Gain random magical knowledge advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 1

taovkool

Total No. of Voters: 48

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 5, 2019

I think a Mystic and/or Culture Hero would have been better as we already have a Diplo Hero, but oh well.

Kiba · Apr 5, 2019

BlueFlamingWings said:
I think a Mystic and/or Culture Hero would have been better as we already have a Diplo Hero, but oh well.

Our diplomat hero is already seventy years old. Chance of dying within or before the next turn is high.

jjffjhjf · Apr 5, 2019

Kiba said:
Our diplomat hero is already seventy years old. Chance of dying within or before the next turn is high.

I thought our average lifespan had been bumped up to 100 with the most recent blessings?

BlueFlamingWings · Apr 5, 2019

jjffjhjf said:
I thought our average lifespan had been bumped up to 100 with the most recent blessings?

I has been. And that's only when we start rolling.

She may last even longer.

If she does and she does well with our new "Sacred General" and the Foresters she may become a Goddess of Diplomancy and Foreigners/Barbarians.

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