Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%

  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
To be fair, those are kinda far away and won't really be relevant for a while. Sure, the not!Romans will be a Worthy Opponent for sure, but they're all in the way in Africa! Same with the Greek Elves, we have no idea where those even are. And the Communist Bears are on the other side of the giant orange blob of Boarfolk....
How do you know there isn't a race of merfolk right off our coast, just biding their time? Or a race of rat-men underground that have been spying on us for centuries, just waiting for the perfect chance to collapse our civ underneath us? Or those flying creatures? Are we sure they aren't an intelligent race of raptors that feast on the flesh of other sapients? Or hell, maybe they are drakes/dragons or Rocs. Lots of different possibilities.
 
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I mean Arthwyd already have consequences. Furloc reformed themselves and Urth ascended wich means that Caradysh now have access to both divine and arcane magic, while her daughters distanced themselves from Arthwyd. All consequences of Arthwyd decisions.

Add to it that in Urths case Arthwyd don't seek her destruction because we accepted her offer of peace.

I'm not saying we deserve to get even more screwed over that "betraying your allies" thing. That was an actual accident, the fact that it even happened despite our wishes is punishment enough. Still, it'd make for a fun narrative, if a more difficult game.

I just want to add a cult of pro-slavery Arthwyd schismatics who'd take over Caermyr.
See? Fun narrative!

I don't want to merge all our enemies into one blob of generic evil.

An alliance of convenience, sure, but not an outright merger.
Don' think of it as a generic blob of evil. Think of it as one big, happy, evil family!
 
Meeting between Divines
Meeting between Divines
"Sure you don't want me to come with you Vryn?" asks Tarkyth as the man glances over at her.

The man is one of Arthryn's favourite traders, a good man with a loyal and principled attitude to life and one of her more devout worshippers. While he doesn't stand out to most, he has impressed Arthryn enough that he has managed to make a friend of Vryn.

"I will be fine," answers Arthryn, "It is just a private meeting with a Forluc priest and a Daughter of Urthryn regarding potential cross-border ties. I won't be in any danger and the business is complicated enough that I don't want to burden you with it."

"Well Vryn, you got a good head on your shoulders," replies Tarkyth with a shake of his head, "If you say that you got this, I guess you got this. But Arthryn's Guidance, I just don't feel comfortable leaving you like this. Just promise me you'll keep safe in there."

"By the Mother, I will see you later Tarkyth," says Arthryn, "I will even join you in private if you wish."

"You are going to let me reach your summit?" replies Tarkyth, "Arthryn's Bountiful Bosom, I'll take you up on that."

Arthryn gives him a smile before turning and heading off towards the old hut, one of the older buildings from before the fall of Caermyr to the Forluc.

While she wasn't quite lying to Tarkyth about who she was meeting, Arthryn wasn't honest either. While she is technically meeting a Forluc priest and a Daughter of Urthryn, it is actually Nalnir and Urthryn possessing the body of one of their followers. Unlike her, neither of them have figured out to maintain their own corporeal body and are limited to borrowing a body of one of their blessed. Well, either they don't know how or they lack the ability to do so. Arthryn hasn't had enough interact with other deities outside her own family have a good idea of how similar foreign deities are to her and her daughters.

Out of sight of Tarkyth and anyone else, Arthryn switches to her divine form as business like this calls for her to represent herself as Arthryn, Goddess of the Arthwyd. Her body becomes taller, curvier and more muscular and her clothing adjusts itself to fit her new form as well as it did her old one.

Entering the hut, Arthryn finds herself mildly surprised at who awaits her. While Urthryn is as she expected, Nalnir has decided to go against her expectations. Then again, she doesn't know Nalnir as well as she knows Urthryn and Arthryn doesn't know Urthryn all too well either.

Urthryn is in the body of one of her Daughters, a young black haired maiden with red eyes. Wearing gem-stone studded jewellery, the Forester goddess wears a leather skirt and a pair of shoes, but is otherwise free of clothing with her large chest freely displayed like most Daughters of Urthryn.

While Arthryn expected Nalnir to take the body of a male follower to attend this meeting, the Forluc god has instead chosen a woman. Judging by her mountains equalling the ones that Urthryn has, her literally black skin and her youthful appearance, the woman is the great-granddaughter or granddaughter of King Eredan. Arthryn also notes that her attire is quite odd as well as the woman is wearing only gold with golden bracelets, necklaces and even a golden skirt.

Outfits like that must be why the Forluc are buying so much gold from Arthwydish traders like Tarkyth.

"Greetings Arthryn," says Urthryn as both of them look up at Arthryn as she enters.

"Hello," replies Arthryn curtly, taking her place at the table as she ignores Nalnir's ogling and not bothering to inquire after his choice in bodies, "I hope I am not too late. My ride here was delayed and I didn't deem this meeting to be important enough to break my cover just to avoid arriving a little late."

"No problem," says Nalnir gruffly, "Urthryn and I were discussing our night together."

"But we can put that conversation on hold now that you are here," says Urthryn as Arthryn gives Nalnir a disapproving look, "We came here to discuss our future interactions between us and our followers."

"Alright," says Arthryn, "My followers are mine and that takes priority. I will not let them be enslaved or otherwise suffer at the hands of others with any transgressions being suitability punished."

"Just so we are clear Nal, she isn't joking," says Urthryn quickly before anyone else can say something, "Take it from someone who has experienced first hand, you do not want to mess with Arthryn and her followers. It isn't worth it."

"And what if some of her people also happen to be some of our people?" asks Nalnir as he and Arthryn eye each other.

"Then they are my people and my previous stances applies to all of my people, including those that might be of your people or anyone else's," answers Arthryn firmly.

"Let us establish this straight up so we are all on the same tree," cuts in Urthryn before Nalnir can respond to Arthryn, "Just as the Arthwyd are the uncontested dominant power in the region, Arthryn is the uncontested dominant deity in the region. Not only is she more powerful than either one of us, but she also has her Daughters backing her up. What she says regarding her people goes because she has both the power and the willingness to back it up."

"Blah," grunts Nalnir, "She can have her people. They are more trouble than they are worth."

"Okay, that is the main goal of this meeting done so let us discuss the last important details," says Urthryn before turning her attention to Arthryn, "While I understand that you no reason to like me, I would like to know how you added breast support into your divine blessing. For reasons I think should be obvious enough, I would like to incorporate into my own blessing. In exchange, I am willing you show how I added birth control into my divine blessing and teach you how to add it to yours."

"I am open to that," admits Arthryn after a moment's thought and wondering just how Urth of all people ended up being the diplomatic one here.

"Hey, what about Zaranna?" demands Nalnir, earning himself disdainful from both Arthryn and Urthryn, "We need to discuss how we are going to deal with that cow."

"I have not had any problems with Zaranna," says Arthryn, "Her followers do not cause trouble for mine and the goddess herself is no match for myself nor any of my daughters. You may seek to deal with her between yourselves, but I see no reason to pick a fight with her myself."

"We can talk about that later in our private talk," Urthryn tells Nalnir when it looks like the Forluc god is about yell at Arthryn, "For now, we should discuss what knowledge we are willing to share with each other and what agreements are to be made between us."

"Just what are you planning to talk about latter?" asks Arthryn, suspicious of what the other deities are up so as while she thought they were just going to fornicate with each other, she isn't so sure anymore.

"It is why I am using this body," answers Nalnir with a grin, not hesitating to gloat, "Urthryn and I are planning to see how our blessings interact with each other. She wants to try applying to her Gift to a woman with my Blessing so I am going to let her do this one after she has slept with me."

"Barbarians," mutters Arthryn, annoyed at their casual disregard for the Forluc woman's choices and wishes.

"I thought you Northern Demons like to sleep around," says Urthryn coyly.

"There is a difference between sleeping with who you want and selling out your body," retorts Arthryn, "But this is irrelevant. You said you wanted to exchange breast support in exchange for birth control? Let us talk about that..."

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I kinda want them in pantheon. It could be something like Greek pantheon, Arthryn being Zeus while Urth and Nalnir are Hades and Poseidon respectively.
 
*tilts head*
Hrrm.
Well.

So I guess the final score is thusly...
Arthwydish is the pious one, also the strongest when directly roused, and secretly kind of greedy I think.
Foresters has VAMPIRES, and is the diplomatic one, mostly due to Arthwydish screw-ups. Also the best Arcane magic traditions.
And the Forluc are...Probably going to be the wanna-be martial group, not sure what their talents will be long-term just yet though.
From here on out...
The All-Boar seems like he'll be the Next Big Threat/game-changer, to me. Zaranna might try something but this triple-god coalition seems like they'll be less then keen on accepting her given the things she favors, and she's old enough to get set in her ways and thus demand a proper beat-down. The All-Boar though, strikes me as possibly having the space and numbers to raise hordes that can clobber us, and sufficent martial ability personally to make divine combat dangerous...Or be smart enough to NOT make it a divine conflict and trash us that way.
I'm getting the impression that legacy of 'ancient center of civilization' might be swinging around to being more then just a case for big-heads, it seems like our ideas are being adopted in general by those around us. Yay?
 
Wow Urth is really really wary of Arthryn.

If she's telling the truth. She could be overplaying her fears for several reasons:
- Buttering up Arthryn by pretending she's grossly superios
- Keeping Nalnir from doing something stupid
- Trying to lull Arthryn with a false sense of superiority
...

I kinda want them in pantheon. It could be something like Greek pantheon, Arthryn being Zeus while Urth and Nalnir are Hades and Poseidon respectively.

I don't see how they fit. Like none of them. Arthryn has little similarity with Zeus, Urth is a terrible match for Hades, and Nalnir-Poseidon isn't great either.

In addition, I strongly object to inviting the God of Social Darwinism and the self-proclaimed Goddess of Evil into the Pantheon.

Foresters has VAMPIRES, and is the diplomatic one, mostly due to Arthwydish screw-ups. Also the best Arcane magic traditions.

Urth's second iteration has always been great at manipulation. In turn, she has set up the following battles
Maradysh vs Maradysh
Maradysh vs Lowlands
Us vs Forluc (The Forluc used to be attacking her. I strongly suspect that she was at least somewhat involved in getting them to redirect their attention to us. No proof, just suspicion).

She's very good at moving others around like pieces on a board.
 
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the self-proclaimed God of Evil

Just to be clear, that is a bad translation in-universe. Urthryn doesn't call herself the "Evil One" anymore than Arthryn goes around calling herself the "Demonic One".

Both mean "Sacred One" in their respective native languages and just have a bad translation into the language of the other.
 
I don't see how they fit. Like none of them. Arthryn has little similarity with Zeus, Urth is a terrible match for Hades, and Nalnir-Poseidon isn't great either.

In sense that Arthryn is Queen of God's and rules Arthwyd and her children while Urth and Nalnir have their own respective domains Caradysh, Furloc but are more independent than rest of the gods.
 
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Oh, right. That was what that was referring too.

Eh, doesn't matter. Urth's track record is still more than sufficient to condemn her, though less so than the other guy.

@Oshha How does the Caradysh society work anyway. I don't think we've heard much about it.
 
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If she's telling the truth. She could be overplaying her fears for several reasons:
- Buttering up Arthryn by pretending she's grossly superios
- Keeping Nalnir from doing something stupid
- Trying to lull Arthryn with a false sense of superiority
...

You always seem to see someone as a threat and never trust any of the words that come out of Urth or Nalnir's mouth.
 
You always seem to see someone as a threat and never trust any of the words that come out of Urth or Nalnir's mouth.


I see no reason to trust Urth or Nalnir on their word. They've given us no reason to trust them, and plenty of reason to distrust. Urth, we know, is perfectly willing and capable of manipulating their supposed friends into a war by getting innocent civilians slaughtered. She happily used infiltration and subversion to assassinate or kidnap people on several occasions.

In addition, the claim she makes is not that credible.

Urth claims that messing with Arthryn's followers isn't worth it.
But we know that a massive amount of her current society, as well as her current divinity, is based on stuff she got from messing with us.
The price she paid for that is comparatively tiny :
- Part of her forest got raided
- Some Lowland relations were lost as part of her treason
- She had to send a bit of research our way, as well as 1 Temp Martial.

We lost far more in the war with her, or in the Forluc war, and we gained less. But I woulds still say that either of those wars were worth it.

So, the question is. Did Urthryn somehow become a pacifist, or is she being free with the truth for diplomatic purposes?
 
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@Oshha How does the Caradysh society work anyway. I don't think we've heard much about it.

A strict hierarchy of sapient undead commanding mindless undead in a feudal-like structure with the sapient undead as the nobility and the mindless undead as the peasants. The Daughters of Urthryn are basically the priesthood and they are slowly integrating living people in as specialists like traders and crafters.
 
I see no reason to trust Urth or Nalnir on their word. They've given us no reason to trust them, and plenty of reason to distrust. Urth, we know, is perfectly willing and capable of manipulating their supposed friends into a war by getting innocent civilians slaughtered. She happily used infiltration and subversion to assassinate or kidnap people on several occasions.

In addition, the claim she makes is not that credible.

Urth claims that messing with Arthryn's followers isn't worth it.
But we know that a massive amount of her current society, as well as her current divinity, is based on stuff she got from messing with us.
The price she paid for that is comparatively tiny :
- Part of her forest got raided
- Some Lowland relations were lost as part of her treason
- She had to send a bit of research our way, as well as 1 Temp Martial.

We lost far more in the war with her, or in the Forluc war, and we gained less. But I woulds still say that either of those wars were worth it.

So, the question is. Did Urthryn somehow become a pacifist, or is she being free with the truth for diplomatic purposes?

I think that Urth warning referred more to non royal Arthwyd. Basically enslaving, or taking common Arthwyd costs more than it worths as proven by Merthyr.

What Urth did was stealing Cadlon to get her blessing.
 
I think that Urth warning referred more to non royal Arthwyd. Basically enslaving, or taking common Arthwyd costs more than it worths as proven by Merthyr.

What Urth did was stealing Cadlon to get her blessing.

Yeah, but's she's referring to first hand experience.

"Just so we are clear Nal, she isn't joking," says Urthryn quickly before anyone else can say something, "Take it from someone who has experienced first hand, you do not want to mess with Arthryn and her followers. It isn't worth it."

Urth's first hand experience is that messing with the Arthryn isn't all that bad.

I mean, compare and contrast
The Forluc threw 3 massive armies at us just because we existed, to the point of destroying their own society just to get at us.
Urth hijacks the mind of our leader, tries to hijack the minds of 2 more leaders/heroes, murders another leader, creates a civil war, and we go with a very generous peace treaty after sending just 1 single secondary attack against her. We don't even hold a grudge (IC, at least).

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I'm pretty sure that Urth's actual opinion is "Don't mess with Arthryn without a plan", but that's not exactly a diplomatic thing to say.
 
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