What happens if we overmax both stability and legitimacy?
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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- North America
we also can't use them at all i we leave them there.
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- Grandview
[X][Mega] Upgrade the Blessing of Arthryn.
[X] [North] Try to peacefully resolve matters.
[X] [South] Let them be.
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Merntir)
[X] [SEC] Study Metal.
[X] [North] Try to peacefully resolve matters.
[X] [South] Let them be.
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Merntir)
[X] [SEC] Study Metal.
The only action that didn't synergize exactly is Create Trails? Or maybe it helps increase connectivity with the Merntir.
I'm incredibly surprised to see SV leave, not just 1 but 2, heroes on the table. Y'all would normally be frothing at the mouth for the opportunity for diplo heroes, especially when we are having diplomatic issues. Especially since Oshha has said, paraphrasing, that there won't be an adverse effect to gaining them.
Wait, what? We are doing that???
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
- Location
- North America
That's why we should get them
But appearently the monarchy is god awful, and the possible longterm ramifications of letting this issue end in anyway that isn't peaceful is worth less then solidifying the divine blooded monarchy by even a little bit. Its not like a LITERAL THEOCRACY which was supposed to represent the goddesses was also disposed of or anything once they failed.
Its close, but it is winning, every vote counts rn
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- PA
[X] [Mega] Upgrade the Blessing of Arthryn.
[X] [North] Try to peacefully resolve matters.
[X] [South] Marry Darvyd to both sisters.
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails.
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Merntir)
Eh, changed my mind, I'm kind of lost as to what does what though so probably should really stop voting in this quest soon.
[X] [North] Try to peacefully resolve matters.
[X] [South] Marry Darvyd to both sisters.
[X] [SEC] Create New Trails.
[X] [SEC] Support Subordinate = (Merntir)
Eh, changed my mind, I'm kind of lost as to what does what though so probably should really stop voting in this quest soon.
The main reasons for those doing that is that by leaving them with the Maradysh it helps them consolidate which helps us sense they are our subordinate.
The other reason is because some of them are still super salty that we have a hereditary monarchy now and are all "Raaa! Monarchy's are Evil! Monarchy's are Shit! Raaa!" and they don't want to "Further solidify the Monachry" even though it's about as solidified as it's gonna get.
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- 'Straya mate.
Little bit strawmanned. That is some voters, but for many of us it's more the idea that the Monarchy just consumes and incorporates anyone with talent. Destroys their lives and their productive potential. It's not being agains the Monarchy, it's being against that potential aspect of our culture.
Though to be honest marrying the Martial one seems alright. We leave the Maradysh with one hero while we can use the martial one to help our diplomacy, as well as use her martial aspect while we explore or something.
The same Maradysh who were rebelling against us 2? turns ago? When we could use a diplo hero to knock this issue with our favourite vassal out of the park?
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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- North America
that last point is fair, but what I am arguing against is those who argue for none.
I'd rather have one or both, but having none is what the majority are what they are going for.
We are in a crisis. As long we don't go for the shinnies in time of peace, we're not going to get screwed over.
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- United States
This is what Oshha had to say about the twins on discord:
PizzaManToday at 12:02 PM
Hm, I wonder if we could direct the diplo heroes to try and solve that mess?
OshhaToday at 12:02 PM
that would be possible
065tdsaToday at 12:02 PM
maybe
kibaToday at 12:02 PM
the twin heroes? Possibly.
OshhaToday at 12:03 PM
but they are Maradysh
065tdsaToday at 12:03 PM
so long as they don't get their own ideas of cultural diversity?
OshhaToday at 12:03 PM
who have very limited contact with the Merntir
065tdsaToday at 12:03 PM
also we'd have to get them to do it somehow
OshhaToday at 12:03 PM
so they are diplo heroes
but they will be at a cultural disadvantage
Hm, I wonder if we could direct the diplo heroes to try and solve that mess?
OshhaToday at 12:02 PM
that would be possible
065tdsaToday at 12:02 PM
maybe
kibaToday at 12:02 PM
the twin heroes? Possibly.
OshhaToday at 12:03 PM
but they are Maradysh
065tdsaToday at 12:03 PM
so long as they don't get their own ideas of cultural diversity?
OshhaToday at 12:03 PM
who have very limited contact with the Merntir
065tdsaToday at 12:03 PM
also we'd have to get them to do it somehow
OshhaToday at 12:03 PM
so they are diplo heroes
but they will be at a cultural disadvantage
So while they will help to some extent, their lack of cultural understanding will lead them to be less helpful than one might expect.
I believe that having them in the Maradysh however will be the way to lead to using them to their full effectiveness, since they have been immersed in the culture. Perhaps leaving them will have a good effect on influencing how patriarchal their society is?
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- Somewhere
It's not the only action that doesn't synergize. The increase in the Arthwyd blessing doesn't synergize as well as two magic techs does for choosing two heroes, one of which is a mystic hero.
The trails is a thing we need to just get it done with, and it might play a narrative of 'connect everything together' through symbolism.
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Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
- Location
- North America
Disadvantaged, but not ineffective. They'd still be more useful improving our chances at STOPPING A CIVIL WAR then speeding up the eventual processes of us assimilating the maradysh like we have been doing vs the civil war problem.
I don't think I need to state the ramifications of staying out of it as everyone has gone against it mostly.
That leaves siding with them or brokering peace.
If we side with them we risk one faction permanently breaking off with the people and a bloody civil war killing our own people. This is obviously bad. The Vyadin don't hate us and the faction isn't aggressive towards us, only the anti vyadin.
The best option is to prevent any of this form occurring by brokering peace. If we fail civil war breaks out and that WILL leave long term problems in the merntir highlands. AS you said, the twins are at a disadvantage, which is WHY we take both of them. If we take the mystic we have religion on our side and someone who can argue from a religious standpoint. We also have the martial sister who will punish those who try to disrupt the peace. BOTH OF WHICH ARE DIPLO. Are they disadvantaged? yes, but are they equipped to deal with such a situation? Also yes. By having both, the civil war can really be dealt with. Will it be easy? No, but its far easier to do so then if we went by ourselves.
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- Somewhere
Yep, the current leading winning vote is to leave the twin sisters alone.
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- Grandview
Some of us in the twin vote just want it to possibly happen naturally without forcing the issue of marriage.
KlinkerKing
Man bites dog?
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- The Lion's Den
[X] [South] Marry Darvyd to Elwyn (Heroic Diplo/Martial)
After a long and arduous argument in the discord, I have come to the following conclusions: getting the martial hero in case of civil war seems like a good idea, people really need to stop thinking of this as an arranged marriage forced on the two parties, and finally, @Raichu1972 Is the discord's own little emo kettle
After a long and arduous argument in the discord, I have come to the following conclusions: getting the martial hero in case of civil war seems like a good idea, people really need to stop thinking of this as an arranged marriage forced on the two parties, and finally, @Raichu1972 Is the discord's own little emo kettle
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
- Location
- North America
what happens in the discord, stays in the discord.[X] [South] Marry Darvyd to Elwyn (Heroic Diplo/Martial)
After a long and arduous argument in the discord, I have come to the following conclusions: getting the martial hero in case of civil war seems like a good idea, people really need to stop thinking of this as an arranged marriage forced on the two parties, and finally, @Raichu1972 Is the discord's own little emo kettle
Arguably we have not been doing a good job of following this rule.
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- United States
w o w[X] [South] Marry Darvyd to Elwyn (Heroic Diplo/Martial)
After a long and arduous argument in the discord, I have come to the following conclusions: getting the martial hero in case of civil war seems like a good idea, people really need to stop thinking of this as an arranged marriage forced on the two parties, and finally, @Raichu1972 Is the discord's own little emo kettle
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