Except Ymarn and Evalyn both came from outside the People. So clearly, the regular people aren't superior, nor outsiders inferior.
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They came from the outside, but both were purified and elevated by the Godess. Clearly, those among them who're worthy would have recieved that same boon.
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Of course that they aren't inferior but you can't expect them to be as capable as the people, they are of the people but due to them having no blessing they are meant to be below the blessed, if goddesses think otherwise they will bless them.
Saying that they should be given the chance to prove themselves is the same as saying that one of the Arthwyd should have the chance to rule instead of member of royal family. Madness I say!!!
I mean you can't really say everyone should be equal but royal family is better of and expect masses to follow it.
Royal family intervinig and telling otherwise would be hypocrisy since their divinity gives them right to rule so shouldn't those with divine blessing be better of than those without?
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See, this all assumes that someone else couldn't come up to them, and be like "Look, you folks are good, but I can totally do this better, and I can prove it." Proceed to prove it, and then take over. Which I'm pretty sure could still happen. Hell, Arthryn can bless folks from outside the people, why can't Evalyn? And if she does, then bammo, new leadership.
Except, they both became Goddesses afterwards. Clearly the potential to become a Goddess of the people is inherent in everyone, and only a few make the choices necessary, do the training, and learning necessary to truly excel.
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But how will you prove it if you are never given chance to do it.
I mean if royal family is the only one with the right to rule that means that no one ever will get the chance and those with the blessing should be priests.
If you are blessed that means that you have favour of the goddess, if not well then you are inferior .
Remember even back in time of Yarm there was small sentiment that non blessed shouldn't be priests (one brat, probably more people ) now that you have example of only royal family ruling you can't really argue with that logic.
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I'm pretty sure it can't. Taking over would require a leadership system change, so basically a coup or soft revolution.
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But that is kind of problems, both Ymarn and Evalyn had a chance to prove themselves and were revarded , yet now no one is having a chance to prove themselves to be a leader.
Wich is kind of ironical since members of royal family are descendants from Evalyn who only was able to prove herself because she was given the same chance as others.
Right, back in her time that was an issue, and then she proceeded to prove it wrong by getting blessed personally by the Goddess (at the time the only Goddess), that kind of thing sticks, and I don't think it's ever been an issue since.
No one else will get the chance to start out ruling the People sure, but an Admin Hero shows up having led one of the smaller villages, and notices that the Cadlon is doing something wrong or just not as good as it could be if they were calling the shots. Suddenly there's an issue. They argue it out, and Evalyn comes and blesses the new person with her Divine Blood blessing, much like Arthryn does to the people she chooses, and suddenly they have the right to rule and have the goddesses backing to take over.
They lead as the Cadlon, not as the lower level leaders. Which means those who aren't of the blood can show their leadership chops at the other villages.
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I doubt such a thing will happen. The argument that Osha's making is that there's a reluctance to intervene, and saying that the concept of Heriditary Monarchy isn't a problem.
Thus, it seems very probable that no intervention will happen when Heriditary monarchy creates it's obvious conclusion.
I mean, Arthyrn's letting it happen so long as the people doing it think its best for the People. As soon as they shut down someone better able to rule purely based on the blood, I expect something to be done.
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Smh
There is no such thing as born equal
Men can never become dieties like women can and are inherently unable to be blessed as well.
That is why there are no catbois and only catgirls.
There is no such thing as born equal
Men can never become dieties like women can and are inherently unable to be blessed as well.
That is why there are no catbois and only catgirls.
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Our current King is male and i assume Catboy.
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So what I'm taking from this argument is that there's going to inevitably be a crisis, and possibly a civil war. It's both too late to do anything about Bronwyn, and too early to do anything about the monarchy. Arthryn is willing to give them a chance even if she doesn't like it, and right now the people believe it's for the best and don't think there is an issue with conflict of values.
However, just as the Mentir are currently having a minor panic over becoming like us, eventually our society will experience value drift.
Right now, Bronwyns son is good dude, he's got the blood, the training, and a very publicly angry god who directly warned his family to watch itself.
However, as generations pass, the people expand and the people become complacent in stability, his line will rely more and more on their "divine right."
We see this in the real world with great kings and emperors all the time. Napoleon, Alexander, Ceaser, Temujin.
The first guy, the one who's gets labeled "Great" in history books, is the absolute shit, and all fall like dominoes before him. His rule unquestioned, his armies mighty, his lands peaceful. And then he dies, and his successors... aren't. Maybe his son just can't live up to his legacy, maybe his generals divide the empire among them.
Napoleons nephew was a joke, Alexander and Temujins generals created their own kindgdoms, Ceasers supporters fought each other for ultimate control until Augusts won.
And even though then, it's generally still peaceful, as everyone's culturally similar in the aftermath.
But slowly, one by one, the rulers get worse. With no adversity to thrust great men into power, the elite become complacent, and look inward. Their warriors lose their edge, their administrators skim a little more off the top, after all: its good times, we can relax!
And so each generation goes a little further and a little further and a little bit further.
And then suddenly, their enemies have nursed their grudges quietly as the armies did nothing. The people begin to starve as the tax collectors demand more then they can give. The king is surrounded by yes men and up to his eyeballs in intrigue, barely aware of anything that happens outside his palace walls.
Right now, our monarch is good. He'll teach his kids to be good, and their probably old enough to have an idea what's going on, especially with his good example. And they'll try to teach their kids, but they won't have seen the smiting, and they'll wonder, but they'll follow.
But one day, those royal brats will look at Bronwyn and wonder if it isn't just a statue.
And that's without our tricky storyteller Godess laughing in the background, her machinations stirring shit up.
Maiming the temple would've been a bad idea, it's too early for that. No, it won't be for a good 5-10 turns before the event is forgotten and distorted enough that things will really go to shit.
However, just as the Mentir are currently having a minor panic over becoming like us, eventually our society will experience value drift.
Right now, Bronwyns son is good dude, he's got the blood, the training, and a very publicly angry god who directly warned his family to watch itself.
However, as generations pass, the people expand and the people become complacent in stability, his line will rely more and more on their "divine right."
We see this in the real world with great kings and emperors all the time. Napoleon, Alexander, Ceaser, Temujin.
The first guy, the one who's gets labeled "Great" in history books, is the absolute shit, and all fall like dominoes before him. His rule unquestioned, his armies mighty, his lands peaceful. And then he dies, and his successors... aren't. Maybe his son just can't live up to his legacy, maybe his generals divide the empire among them.
Napoleons nephew was a joke, Alexander and Temujins generals created their own kindgdoms, Ceasers supporters fought each other for ultimate control until Augusts won.
And even though then, it's generally still peaceful, as everyone's culturally similar in the aftermath.
But slowly, one by one, the rulers get worse. With no adversity to thrust great men into power, the elite become complacent, and look inward. Their warriors lose their edge, their administrators skim a little more off the top, after all: its good times, we can relax!
And so each generation goes a little further and a little further and a little bit further.
And then suddenly, their enemies have nursed their grudges quietly as the armies did nothing. The people begin to starve as the tax collectors demand more then they can give. The king is surrounded by yes men and up to his eyeballs in intrigue, barely aware of anything that happens outside his palace walls.
Right now, our monarch is good. He'll teach his kids to be good, and their probably old enough to have an idea what's going on, especially with his good example. And they'll try to teach their kids, but they won't have seen the smiting, and they'll wonder, but they'll follow.
But one day, those royal brats will look at Bronwyn and wonder if it isn't just a statue.
And that's without our tricky storyteller Godess laughing in the background, her machinations stirring shit up.
Maiming the temple would've been a bad idea, it's too early for that. No, it won't be for a good 5-10 turns before the event is forgotten and distorted enough that things will really go to shit.
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But there are catboys, there's half an entire race consisting of catboys.
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King is not a deity so thats unrelated.
Not sure about that second part tho.
Catfolk, and they shall be purged.
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Tfw discord cabal.
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Yanno, I see a good place we can end up in all this.
The Mandate of Heaven. Essentially a Chinese idea that he who deserves to rule shall be backed by the Heavens, but if one is unworthy of the right to rule, said right will be revoked and the throne will be emptied for a new Rightful Ruler to Emerge.
The Mandate of Heaven. Essentially a Chinese idea that he who deserves to rule shall be backed by the Heavens, but if one is unworthy of the right to rule, said right will be revoked and the throne will be emptied for a new Rightful Ruler to Emerge.
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what's that of? Because that doesn't really seem like Slaanesh, not nearly androgynous enough. Unless maybe an Eldar depiction?
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Pfft, Stalin has this, easy.
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While China is good example of a long lasting empire that doesn't make the successful.
After all, they ended up Europe's footstool for decades, choking on corruption and stagnation as the world passed them by.
After all, they ended up Europe's footstool for decades, choking on corruption and stagnation as the world passed them by.