10ebbor10
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I got the impression she was insane, which is similar enough, I guess.
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
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What do you mean?
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We'd need a man to be a hero and do great enough things to be immortalized I think.
Omegahugger
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That does actually make a lot of sense. In a time period before mass media, stories can only spread memetically. And, of course, in a world where Belief has a direct impact on Reality*, it is a horrific power to hold.
*This is assuming that the Goddesses do, in fact, exist
Good thing she's on our side, eh?
Between Mrs. "I kill that which has no life", Mrs. "I can medusa-gaze people at will" and the literal Godmaker, I think we have all the awesome that we need.
I think they mean a God that would fit in with Norse pantheon, which presumeably means a war God. Statistically speaking the gods they are thinking of were wargods.
... Either that, or they want an invulnerable prettyboy. Which I really can't fault anyone for, Balder was pretty cool.
I find that to be an insult to the Nordic Goddess of war who rode into battle in a flying chariot pulled by cats.
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And you are just grounded for couple of seasons for breaking my law, and it isn't really a punishment .
No need for one more pretty god. I mean one eyed Grandpa Odin style .
Basically whenever i look at our pantheon i see harem.
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And of curiosity, just what law was broken exactly?
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I was referring to a value. It was offense to Arthryn but i really don't see this as a punishment.
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taovkool
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Huh. What a coincidence. Anime has rotted our heads to the point that we see a bunch of powerful pretty girls = harem.
All it lacks is someone with a protagonist power.
Omegahugger
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At least 40% of our deities were happily married! And the only one I'm sure wasn't is the All-seeress (Ymarn and Wyrn I've forgotten the marital status off...), who has the excuse of never having had a mortal life.
Seriously, is any gathering of traditionally beautiful women something you view as inherently harem-like?
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I am honestly not getting the point you are trying to make here. Could you clarify what you are trying to say here?
If I am blunt, I don't get how the Arthrynite pantheon resembles a harem. They are a happy family of a mother and her daughters. Most of them are married as Arthryn is a marriage while Wyrn, Ymarn and Evalyn are all married with kids. All of them apart from the All-Seeress have separate romantic relations to each other.
If you are actually look at their love lives, you won't find any potential for a harem.
10ebbor10
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Seems to be on her own side more so than ours.
We have a War Godess though. She hasn't done anything, which may make people forget she exists, but she's real.
10ebbor10
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They're saying Arthryn isn't hard core enough, as they interpreted the punishment she gave to those who disobeyed her core values as a slap on the wrist.
I don't really agree, given that the punishment involved a straight up execution. That said, the divine accomplices didn't really get a punishment, they just got a free opportunity to scheme and plot.
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I cannot express myself good but this puts it somewhat .
Add to that that while we did have this discussion before we still go with.
Bobs, hips and now cat girls.
Omegahugger
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Ah yes, with "our side" I was definitely referring to the thread as a whole and not any subfactions within it. Definitely.
Pretty sure we have two, Ymarn in charge of the greater aspects of war with logistics and diplomacy and Evalyn in charge of the boots-on-the-ground stuff like leadership and spearing boars.
I consider "being locked in a cage the size of a human body for 6-10 years" a punishment, even if you are immortal.
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Yea there's no point in starting a discussion here.
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I don't know, are you saying that females without big bobs, wide hips, cat ears aren't beautiful?
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10ebbor10
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Still on her own side. She doesn't follow the votes of the thread. She does her own thing.
They don't seem to be considering it much of a punishment, therefore it isn't a punishment.
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Technically speaking you have two, Ymarn the Goddess of War and Evalyn the Goddess of Battle.
I really don't get why people think Arthryn should have punished more people or punished more harshly. None of her laws have been broken as the People still hold to Born Equal and Communal Mandate and have yet to break them even if they came close to disobeying the former. Those that did try to break Born Equal got punished and since it was a first time offensive, it was a relatively tame one and even then, it ended up with someone getting executed.
Everyone else did something that Arthryn (and some of the posters) disagree with and dislike, but did they break any laws or go against Arthryn's commands? No, they just did something that Arthryn didn't like and feels is a bad idea, but they didn't do anything wrong that would earn them a punishment. They came close and would have done so if that they were left to continue down their current course of action. So Arthryn stepped in, warned them not to cross the lines that would earn them punishment and give some minor punishments to those that did break her laws.
To give an analogue, it would be like a SV mod (Arthryn) stepping into a thread (the Arthwyd) and dropping a reminder about what the rules are and gave a warning not to break them because the thread was coming close to doing so. A few posters (Bronwyn, Evalyn and Wyrn) had already gone a bit too far so they got a light punishment (25 points and a three day threadban) and the mod warns everyone that they got off light this time and since everyone now knows better, she won't be so lenient if they break the rules in the future. In this scenario, some people are upset that the mod didn't perma-thread ban the offending posters or give each of them 200 points or infract everyone who supported the offending posters, which includes the majority of this theoretical thread.
The more and more I look at it, I think that some posters are just unhappy that Arthryn just fairly upheld the law, warned people against breaking if before they broke it and didn't just impose her will on the masses to do what she wants (which happens to be what she wants in this case).
I can't help, but wonder how many people would still be complaining if Arthryn had opposite views on this situation and supported monarchy. Would they still be complaining that she didn't use her power to impose her will on the masses and forcing the civ to institute her preferred changes? Or do they only support Arthryn forcing her will when what she wants lines up with what they want?
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In stone age society, the attractive traits of a woman would be big breasts, wide hips and big belly as the former two are good in childbirth and indicate that they are more likely to survive that dangerous part of reproduction while the last one is considered a sign of fertility, another attractive trait.
To compare the punishment to SV's punishments, it is more of a staff warning with a day-long threadban so give you a time out after slightly going over the line whilst also warning you and everyone else not to do this again as next time, there will be much harsher punishment due to you knowing better next time.
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I know we had this discussion but once again there was a chance to get some diversity with both Ymarn and All-Seeress.
I would actually be fine with it as long as she is firm with her desires it would be a good challenge to prove her wrong. This way it looks like do that or i will be really sad and disappointed in you.
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So? Ymarn has the Blessing of Arthryn while All-Seeress had no physical form or defining traits so when she got some from joining the Arthrynite pantheon, she got given the default deity form of the Arthwyd, which is a youthful, healthy and beautiful goddess because that is what the rest of the Arthrynite deities are like.
Like with how real world cultures have their bias, so do the Arthwyd. Deities like God, Odin and Zeus usually get depicted as a stern old white man, often with a beard while warrior gods like Ares and Thor get depicted as being brawny, impulsive and reckless and trickster gods like Loki are slim and slender and physically lacking. The Arthwyd had their own biases as due to Arthryn and then Wyrn and Ymarn, they pick a deity as being female, young-looking, beautiful and physically fit. All of their known deities at the time were like that so they just applied their cultural biases to the All-Seeress when adopting her into their pantheon.
I am all for diversity, but I am not just going to add in diversity for the sake of diversity when it doesn't make sense. Now sure I could have made the Arthrynite pantheon more diverse, but things haven't lined up that way and I had other options which made more sense so I went with those.
In the last update, the Arthwyd got close to opposing her so she stepped in and gave them a warning about not crossing that line.
If you want to see Arthryn really show her bad side and lay down some serious punishment, try doing something like imposing slavery or caste system or starving your own people so you cross that line that she warned you not to.
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If she imposes anything that is not FULL COMMUNISM, she's a Bourgeois Reactionary Particular and must be destroyed.
If however, she imposes FULL COMMUNISM on the masses without the support of a Proletarian Mass Movement, she's a Blanquist and must be destroyed.
But if she does nothing as the Feudalists undermine her teachings in order to enslave the Workers, she is detrimental to the Revolutionary Cause and must be destroyed.
And even if she aids the Proletariat with installing FULL COMMUNISM, she is unnecessary as the Workers have no need for "divine" aid. But belief in a "god" is still Counterrevolutionary and detrimental to developing Class Consciousness and thus she must be destroyed.
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Boy, there sure are alot of cases where she gets destroyed, isn't there?
Omegahugger
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Remember, history is written by the winners.
And since Wyrn is the one writing the stories, we can conclude that she by definition is the winner of every conflict.
And since Wyrn is the one writing the stories, we can conclude that she by definition is the winner of every conflict.