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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
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May I just point out that the People don't consider the Maradysh to be part of them. The Arthwyd and the Merntir consider themselves to be the People, but both of them and the Maradysh themselves don't consider the Maradysh to be part of the People.
 
Star said:
It's not, if we chosed civil war vote we would just ended with new leader, but our civ would remain whole. This is a secession.
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The Arthwyd, to my shame, do not consider the Maradysh to be a part of them. They do not consider them to be People, which is why they were so quick to call them barbarians.

This is not a secession because neither the Arthwyd or the Maradysh ever considered themselves to be of the same polity.
 
Raichu1972 said:
The Arthwyd, to my shame, do not consider the Maradysh to be a part of them. They do not consider them to be People, which is why they were so quick to call them barbarians.

This is not a secession because neither the Arthwyd or the Maradysh ever considered themselves to be of the same polity.
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This is letting a vassal that hates us roam free and strike at us.
 
So, question for all those who want to go to war, assuming we even win, what's your future plan to integrate them? And no, "kill them all" is not a valid solution.
 
Star said:
Except that we don't have a way to know what will happen in the future, we are basically just leaving ourselves open to a new enemies.
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We want to spend our actions on something besides putting down rebellions or trying to assimilate the uncooperative.

And what happens if we are attacked by a third party? The midlanders will jump at the chance to break away again anyway.
 
Random Member said:
So, question for all those who want to go to war, assuming we even win, what's your future plan to integrate them? And no, "kill them all" is not a valid solution.
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Force them to leave
They left the south because of the hell that it was. If the north is the same, they leave again. And just as last time, by force.

I wanted to settle upriver plains dammit
 
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Fucking knew it...right now I'm just tired of the foreigners...

Sigh let me know when it's over.

[X] Send the Catclaws south to crush the Maradysh and bring them back under the rule of he People. (War with the Maradysh)
 
Star said:
Expect that this region isnt hike world and we leave ourselves open to potential enemies.
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Star said:
Except that we don't have a way to know what will happen in the future, we are basically just leaving ourselves open to a new enemies.
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I mean, if your starting point is, "The enemy lurks everywhere", that kinda is a kneecapper for anyone to convince you otherwise, isn't it? You assume that every new polity is going to be horrid, instead of potential ally or trade partners. You assume that the future holds uncertain doom, instead of hope for a better future.

If you are unable to go past that pessimism, then there's no arguing with your points.
Raptor580 said:
or they just get stronger and come try to kill us in a few generations.
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Then again, let them come. Which polity, exactly, holds Legacies that enables them to a) innovate more and b) innovate better? Not the Maradysh. It's the Arthwyd. We can uptech better, we have the unbeatable edge of population. We have a Vassal, loyal to us and will aid us without our prompt. Not the Maradysh. It's us.

Don't be defeatist or conceal them with a "kill them all" approach. This is a set-back, but be the better man and not throw blood away.
 
If we recognize their Independence they will have no real reason to attack us and will be incapable of harming us to a meaningful extent for a very long time, time to change our relationship to something other than complete total hatred. We will also show that we understand our mistake and can learn to get along with them. Developing a xenophobic policy to foreigners in response to this would be a real shame. Obey us or we will drive you away by force is not a sustainable reaction to other people existing.
 
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Vocalend said:
I mean, if your starting point is, "The enemy lurks everywhere", that kinda is a kneecapper for anyone to convince you otherwise, isn't it? You assume that every new polity is going to be horrid, instead of potential ally or trade partners. You assume that the future holds uncertain doom, instead of hope for a better future.

If you are unable to go past that pessimism, then there's no arguing with your points.

Then again, let them come. Which polity, exactly, holds Legacies that enables them to a) innovate more and b) innovate better? Not the Maradysh. It's the Arthwyd. We can uptech better, we have the unbeatable edge of population. We have a Vassal, loyal to us and will aid us without our prompt. Not the Maradysh. It's us.

Don't be defeatist or conceal them with a "kill them all" approach. This is a set-back, but be the better man and not throw blood away.
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Expect that there are other regions and civs there don't let their polity go, once they conquer their region they will come in our and we will have to go to war only for Maradysh to strike us from the back.

Or like with boar folk and Urth.
 
nat_401 said:
If we recognize their Independence they will have no real reason to attack us and will be incapable of harming us to a meaningful extent for a very long time, time to change our relationship to something other than complete total hatred. We will also show that we understand our mistake and can learn to get along with them. Developing a xenophobic policy to foreigners in response to this would be a real shame.
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Yea, they will, this guy will basically be their king and king's don't need a good reason to attack us.
 
[X] Send the Catclaws south to crush the Maradysh and bring them back under the rule of he People. (War with the Maradysh)
[X] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)


Should have never taken these guys in the first place. Don't care if this was luck screwing us over I just want to be rid of these guys.
Adhoc vote count started by nkd1325 on Feb 20, 2019 at 4:22 PM, finished with 84 posts and 30 votes.
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Star said:
Expect that there are other regions and civs there don't let their polity go, once they conquer their region they will come in our and we will have to go to war only for Maradysh to strike us from the back.

Or like with boar folk and Urth.
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Who knows? Maybe we will discover a tree-hugging civilization known as the Ymaryn who seemed to have conquered everything out of self-defense.
 
I personally see this as an opportunity. They've been nothing but a problem for us as a vassal. Now we can cut them loose when we can totally afford the legitimacy and prestige cost.
 
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