Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
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Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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- USoA
[X] Send the Catclaws south to crush the Maradysh and bring them back under the rule of he People. (War with the Maradysh)
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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- Present
[X] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)
Why fight a war?
What you're proposing is to attack a fortified village defended by 2 military heroes, while we have no siege techniques and no martial heroes.
That's going to end up in a slaughter. Even if you believe that the enemy will attack us, the safer, smarter thing to do is to wait. Their heroes will age, and they'll have to attack us on our ground, giving us the defensive advantage.
We have 4/3 legitimacy. That threat is non existent.
Why fight a war?
What you're proposing is to attack a fortified village defended by 2 military heroes, while we have no siege techniques and no martial heroes.
That's going to end up in a slaughter. Even if you believe that the enemy will attack us, the safer, smarter thing to do is to wait. Their heroes will age, and they'll have to attack us on our ground, giving us the defensive advantage.
We have 4/3 legitimacy. That threat is non existent.
[X] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)
[X] Recognise the new Cadlon of the Maradysh as their new leader, (-1 Legitimacy, -2 Prestige, Maradysh are no longer a vassal of the Arthwyd,)
even if we win the war we end up in a situation close to the current one having a vassal that does not like us.
They have a single village so we can expand far faster and try to get them back under our control later by diplomacy or if that fails with a war once their martial hero dies of old age.
[X] Recognise the new Cadlon of the Maradysh as their new leader, (-1 Legitimacy, -2 Prestige, Maradysh are no longer a vassal of the Arthwyd,)
even if we win the war we end up in a situation close to the current one having a vassal that does not like us.
They have a single village so we can expand far faster and try to get them back under our control later by diplomacy or if that fails with a war once their martial hero dies of old age.
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Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
[] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)
[X] Recognise the new Cadlon of the Maradysh as their new leader, (-1 Legitimacy, -2 Prestige, Maradysh are no longer a vassal of the Arthwyd,)
Attacking them without a Martial Hero of our own is foolish.
[X] Recognise the new Cadlon of the Maradysh as their new leader, (-1 Legitimacy, -2 Prestige, Maradysh are no longer a vassal of the Arthwyd,)
Attacking them without a Martial Hero of our own is foolish.
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Expect that we will lose legitimacy and prestige.
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- United States
...well, I'm not above admitting when I'm wrong.
It seems as though the Goddesses (and the Dice Gods) disapprove of this vassal, regardless of our actions. So away they shall go.
[X] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)
[X] Recognise the new Cadlon of the Maradysh as their new leader, (-1 Legitimacy, -2 Prestige, Maradysh are no longer a vassal of the Arthwyd,)
It seems as though the Goddesses (and the Dice Gods) disapprove of this vassal, regardless of our actions. So away they shall go.
[X] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)
[X] Recognise the new Cadlon of the Maradysh as their new leader, (-1 Legitimacy, -2 Prestige, Maradysh are no longer a vassal of the Arthwyd,)
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
We're at 4/3 Legitimacy. We could lose 1 and still have 3/3 Legitimacy.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Which we have in abundance. In fact, we're over the cap, which is bad, because it means the leader can not be questioned.
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Look there will be other civs out there that will expand, if we can't keep territory at this stage we might as well give up.
One rebellion and you guys are just giving up, that's basically a precedent to leave our enemies be only for them to come back every time.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
The Maradysh only have a single Martial Hero, but the rest of your statement is correct.
taovkool
Forever Gone
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- The Library, Department of General Works
It's less the hit on Legitimacy and Prestige that I'm afraid of and more the precedent of a vassal breakaway without any resistance. That implies an acceptance of separatism and will probably result in a negative value that just accepts independence if enough people wanted it.
Long story short, that path lays balkanization. Fuck to the hell no with that crap.
Long story short, that path lays balkanization. Fuck to the hell no with that crap.
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Look this is bad precedent, if we let them go one day other power will appear and pick us all one by one.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
This event isn't significant enough to result in a value being gained.
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- United States
That is not a problem with those of our culture, because the Arthwyd culture is highly communal in nature. The People stick together.
The Maradysh were notably not considered to be People though, and thus it won't be an issue with those of our culture group.
The legitimacy hit likely comes from having to admit as a people that Evelyn (who is considered essentially untouchable) made a mistake.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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You're proposing attacking a fortified village defended by a martial hero with a society which doesn't have any siege tech. The enemy will slaughter our troops, and then they'll counterattack while our forces are in shambles.
You're making the mistake of assuming that military expansion is the best or only way to expand.
It's not. The amount of actions that we're going to spend to try and win this war, and then all the future actions we'll need to keep the rebellious vassal under our thumb (they won't suddenly like us because we murdered them again) is going to be significant. It'd be far better to spend those actions on home-grown development.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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- North America
Send in the calvary
[X] Send the Catclaws south to crush the Maradysh and bring them back under the rule of he People. (War with the Maradysh)
[X] Send the Catclaws south to crush the Maradysh and bring them back under the rule of he People. (War with the Maradysh)
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- United States
We have no cavalry though.
They do, while also having walls.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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- Present
There's no real precedent set here, and besides, in society with oral story telling precedent vanishes within generations. It'll be forgotten in a few turns.
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We were on a good way, it was a bad roll that messed it all up.
Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
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- Midwestern U.S.
[x] Recognise the new Cadlon of the Maradysh as their new leader, (-1 Legitimacy, -2 Prestige, Maradysh are no longer a vassal of the Arthwyd,)
[X] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)
have fun boys, if you invade us we'll fite tho
[X] Let them be and not escalate the situation futher. (-1 Prestige, Maradysh may no longer be a vassal of the Arthwyd, ???)
have fun boys, if you invade us we'll fite tho
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