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do we have access to obsidian ?
Because that and stoneshapeing could create some really nasty weapons.
Likely not useful against the undead, but really nasty against anything living.
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
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do we have access to obsidian ?
Because that and stoneshapeing could create some really nasty weapons.
Likely not useful against the undead, but really nasty against anything living.
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No. There are no obsidian deposits that the People have found.
Would obsidian be affected by the stoneshaping magic? It's a type of glass.
If we make our stoneshaping less tiring/easier, could we create weapons with moving edges? Like a pseudo-chainsword.
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In theory, it is a potential possibility, but in practice, it wouldn't be use to its impracticality and lack of effectiveness.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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Obviously we just need to discover FMA-style alchemy, turn anything into silver. (This will also likely crash the economy, but oh well.)
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- Germany
i am not sure.
Sand is a sort of stone (even if a very small one) and glas is sand that is fused together.
The def. for stone is very large and it comes down to how you lock at it.
Metal and gemstones are in a way a sub group of stones/rocks.
Another two things our people need to test out shaping metals with magic and the same goes for gemstones.
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There is the idea of silver maces, although that might be too complex/too high maintenance to be viable.
Lead balls were used to great effect with slings, and we seem to have decent ones according to @Vocalend 's omake.
Otherwise they generally have to be mixed into an alloy with copper in order to be useful enough to make a weapon, although I guess you could try to make a stone "shell" around the silver in order to keep the density without having it deform as quickly, since all of our warriors can stone shape (not sure if this is an actual thing that can be done btw).
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- Germany
I personally think that thanks to stoneshaping, that stoneweapons are better then the metals we have access to more so if we have access to some of the harder stone variants.
We can use stoneshaping to create more advanced designs (which simply can´t be created without using stoneshaping at the current tech level), repair the stoneweapons after each battle so less chance that the stone part breaks and certain sorts of stone like granit should be alot harder then lead, tin and silver.
Knight Draco
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maybe lead arrow heads?
It can also poison people. I think.
tin isn't too useful until mixed with copper to form bronze.
roofing, coffins, cisterns, tanks, and gutters (this is due to them being fairly good at not being corroded by water) is what lead can be used for.
"Jewellery, utensils, vessels, dishes, pepper castors, saucepans, figurines, masks, and decorative objects were made in silver. Silver, because of its high value, was widely used in objects related to religious rituals such as incense burners, relics containers, and votive offerings or dedications." - Ancient History Encyclopedia
Going by this we can probably start making coinage? Have valuable shinys to trade?
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I know we are in a war in all, but these are metals we can use for all sorts of purposes. For things other then war, we can have actual coins for an economy instead of a barter system (and thus have some actual use for that one stat that says "wealth". We can also use it for other cultural stuff. Wyrn, the closest we have to a goddess of culture, is definitely gonna have a field day with how these can be used in her stories and art.
It can also poison people. I think.
tin isn't too useful until mixed with copper to form bronze.
roofing, coffins, cisterns, tanks, and gutters (this is due to them being fairly good at not being corroded by water) is what lead can be used for.
"Jewellery, utensils, vessels, dishes, pepper castors, saucepans, figurines, masks, and decorative objects were made in silver. Silver, because of its high value, was widely used in objects related to religious rituals such as incense burners, relics containers, and votive offerings or dedications." - Ancient History Encyclopedia
Going by this we can probably start making coinage? Have valuable shinys to trade?
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I know we are in a war in all, but these are metals we can use for all sorts of purposes. For things other then war, we can have actual coins for an economy instead of a barter system (and thus have some actual use for that one stat that says "wealth". We can also use it for other cultural stuff. Wyrn, the closest we have to a goddess of culture, is definitely gonna have a field day with how these can be used in her stories and art.
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I want are battle cry to one day be IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT
In normal circumstances arrowheads would be swapped over to metal and everything else remain stone. However, here we have the issue of all of our warriors knowing stone-shaping magic, which means that arrowheads will likely remain stone.
In my opinion, our warriors won't swap over to copper when it's discovered. Why should they, when they can get the same results cheaper with stone-shaping magic, and keep a perpetual razor edge/do field repairs to boot? It's likely weaponry will remain stone while tools will transition to metal.
Metal weaponry will likely only become a thing if we begin to field non-sacred warriors again, as they won't be able to use the stone-shaping magic.
Edit: @Oshha, do our catclaws when using stone knives/edged weapons against enemies experience chipping/breakage, or can they use the stone magic to keep their weaponry in good shape without tiring themselves out? If they do experience such things, they'll probably switch to copper, but only for edged weapons.
Material density matters a lot with weaponry like swords since you've got more strict volume restrictions to work with, which if not followed result in an unwieldy/useless blade. Thinking again knives/swords will definitely switch to copper.
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The vote is closed already m8
Lead. Lead is boss here. Lead is cheap, plentiful and easy to shape.
Lead sling bullets would be the best use, as a regular shape, and extremely dense, you could use small bullets which would fly true and hit hard, greatly improving the accuracy of a sling, whereas you can theoretically use rock, but the natural irregularities would make it wobble and anyone with stone shaping magic would be specialists using stone shaped razor arrowheads anyway.
You have the meteor hammer...which was a lead weight on the end of a rope, which you basically swung around to build up momentum, then lash into someone's face. Its more of a performance weapon however, since its too fiddly in battles with more than a handful of people. Looks badass though.
Lead was used in clubs and spears, where you could insert small pellets of the metal to adjust the weight balance, making a heavier weapon more wieldy. People tend to think in terms of weapon size and weight, but practically speaking its leverage. You want your hand to be holding the weapon near the fulcrum to be able to maneuver it with a minimum of effort, but the chopping/stabbing head is usually heavier than the rest of the weapon due to size alone. Solution, a lead cap on the butt of the spear restores the balance.
You could pack lead into a wood or stone mace head to increase the mass, though you do need to add counterweights to the haft if you want it to actually hit anything. Theres actually a few historical designs where they made use of freemoving lead bearings in an internal groove, to lend more power on a strike(when held at rest the lead balls are all near the hilt, but when you swing they will move to the head and theoretically add to the impact force) , though whether they are effective was in question, because the shifting mass made it a pain to learn.
Silver was too rare and too soft to be worth it as a weapon, even though it was heavy. The only times it saw use was in ceremonial weapons or ritual implements. However, silver was prized for surgical knives, because people learned that cuts made with silver blades did not get infected as often due to its anti-microbe properties
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silver has been know in fiction to be a weapon against the supernatural
The main advantage of obsidian was its sharpness; we can give other, sturdier stones equal sharpness via magic.
One thing that's important not to overlook right now is that we have way better fastening techthan our enemies. We can join the stone heads of weapons to their wooden hafts extremely sturdily via our stone-shaping magic.
Currently battles consist of warriors skirmishing at considerable distance from each other, so it should still be possible to use in large battles. We haven't reached the era where the meteor hammer becomes impractical due to lacking enough space to swing it in fights.
Idea: Our cateyes could give the lead sling bullets a stone casing, and shape that. Basically you'd have a spherical led bullet covered in razor-sharp lines/edges of raised stone. Although the extra effort of this probably isnt't worth it against armour, the bullets would shred any flesh they hit. This would result in shallow, but painful and easily infected wounds, and allow for poisoning the sling bullets.Thank you @veekie for showing me why this is a terrible idea.
One thing that's important not to overlook right now is that we have way better fastening techthan our enemies. We can join the stone heads of weapons to their wooden hafts extremely sturdily via our stone-shaping magic.
Can you provide a link or article about this? I'd like to read more about it.
Our cateyes' abilities and training should make it easier to use effectively; would be absolutely devastating against armour.
Currently battles consist of warriors skirmishing at considerable distance from each other, so it should still be possible to use in large battles. We haven't reached the era where the meteor hammer becomes impractical due to lacking enough space to swing it in fights.
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You will need to find that out in-universe first.
Uh no, that is a bad idea. The whole reason lead makes an excellent sling stone is the low surface area, smooth surface and high density/weight. This means it'd fly very straight, retaining almost all the momentum imparted during the spin up..
Adding that means that your sling stone will now generate drag, and instead of a uniform density it now has two materials with different densities. This will produce a wobbling missile which loses momentum in flight. Theres a good reason why sling bullets tend to be either round or teardrop shaped.
Lead has two application in weapons:
-projectiles such as bullets (for either firearms or slings)
-weights such as clubs and maces or as counterweights in trebuchet type weapons. Or for plumbatas aka martiobarbuli.
Other lead applications:
fishing weights and plumb bobs
And then there is the big brother of the sling: the staff sling, instead of throwing a projectile of less then 100g, the staff sling allows one to throw tennis ball sized stones as far as a regular sling.
-projectiles such as bullets (for either firearms or slings)
-weights such as clubs and maces or as counterweights in trebuchet type weapons. Or for plumbatas aka martiobarbuli.
Other lead applications:
fishing weights and plumb bobs
And then there is the big brother of the sling: the staff sling, instead of throwing a projectile of less then 100g, the staff sling allows one to throw tennis ball sized stones as far as a regular sling.
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