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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
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Oshha said:
Yeah, that is pretty much I could find. Utterly terrible for bladed weapons and armour, but could be decent for blunt weaponry. However, the softness means that they would deform or otherwise get damaged with every hit and therefore require either constant maintenance or replacement.



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You need a hard impact surface, mass isn't enough because its too malleable.
Lead hammer or mace with granite moulded around the metal would do fine for a maul

You could also look into a Meteor Hammer. for Fancy Shit
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pttpttrwttr said:
For a simple warhammer or mace dents are not much of a concern; they can be easily fixed and don't really impact the effectiveness of the weapon much. However, silver weapons would still not be a good idea. The density of the metal used does not actually affect the usefulness of a mace or warhammer; it is the weight that does that.
In dwarf fortress you have such an effect because it models silver warhammers as having heads the same size as those of other materials, and thus being much heavier. However, in real life, very heavy warhammers and maces are impractical due to tiring out the user and the momentum making them harder to use effectively. Any silver weaponry would have the head reduced in size so as to have the same weight as non-silver weaponry.
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Density does matter though, a denser hammer is better at smashing through bone than a less dense hammer of the same mass.
 
veekie said:
Lead hammer or mace with granite moulded around the metal would do fine for a maul
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We do not have the tech to hollow out substantial pieces of rock and fill them with metal.
veekie said:
Density does matter though, a denser hammer is better at smashing through bone than a less dense hammer of the same mass.
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Why would this be the case? How good it is at smashing through bone depends purely on pressure, based off of contact area and weight. Density has no effect.
 
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pttpttrwttr said:
Why would this be the case? How good it is at smashing through bone depends purely on pressure, based off of contact area and weight. Density has no effect.
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Density has an effect because it allows you to use more weight without increasing the contact area. Thus transmitting much more pressure. A 1 kilogram hammer with a 50 cm face could probably be swung full force into your ribs without more than a bruise.
A 1 kilogram hammer with a 10cm face would shatter the rib it hits.
 
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veekie said:
Density has an effect because it allows you to use more weight without increasing the contact area. Thus transmitting much more pressure.
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The volume of the head has no effect on contact area; real-life warhammers were not the rectangular blocks seen in fantasy art. You could increase the length of the head or make it wider in the middle than the ends.
 
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pttpttrwttr said:
The volume of the head has no effect on contact area; real-life warhammers were not the rectangular blocks seen in fantasy art. you could increase the length of the head or make it wider in the middle than the ends.
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No, but because it's denser it weighs more and will thus hit harder than something made of a less dense material.
 
UlseDovThur said:
No, but because it's denser it weighs more and will thus hit harder than something made of a less dense material.
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It wouldn't weigh more, though; real-life warhammers weighed much less than what was possible, due to the difficulties of swinging very heavy weapons. Any silver warhammer would have the volume of the head reduced so that it would weigh the same as a regular warhammer.
You'd have a smaller head of the same mass, not a heavier head of the same volume.
 
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EWilanO said:
We don even need metal for maces, correctly shaped stone can do the job just fine:
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In real life stone fell out of use due to it being very difficult to make a correctly-shaped, well-attached head of it. You couldn't use the same shaping and binding techniques with stone as with metal.
Although we do have priests who could shape the stone into such a shape, they're limited in number and couldn't do so for the majority of our warriors.
 
Armor?
Our military is small, we can afford to give our catclaws some silver armor later on.
Would it make them invincible? No but it would help against wood, help against wood, possibly maybe belp against arrows etc.
 
pttpttrwttr said:
It wouldn't weigh more, though; real-life warhammers weighed much less than what was possible, due to the difficulties of swinging very heavy weapons. Any silver warhammer would have the volume of the head reduced so that it would weigh the same as a regular warhammer.
You'd have a smaller head of the same mass, not a heavier head of the same volume.
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Ah! I see. Our people have the blessing and so thanks to their enhanced physical prowess and their strength enhancing magic they should be able to get away with larger than normal hammers.
 
Knight Draco said:
Armor?
Our military is small, we can afford to give our catclaws some silver armor later on.
Would it make them invincible? No but it would help against wood, help against wood, possibly maybe belp against arrows etc.
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Silver armor would be a bad idea due to the weight of silver, and its malleability. People really tend to underestimate how good leather/quilted cloth was. Any silver armor of a reasonable weight wouldn't be thick enough to protect nearly as well; you'd have either armor that's too heavy to be practical or very thin armor which crumples and tears with serious blows.
UlseDovThur said:
Ah! I see. Our people have the blessing and so thanks to their enhanced physical prowess and their strength enhancing magic they should be able to get away with larger than normal hammers.
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Which they could do just as well with stone as with silver. The stone hammers would have a larger head, but head volume doesn't matter, just contact area.
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In real life stone fell out of use due to it being very difficult to make a correctly-shaped, well-attached head of it. You couldn't use the same shaping and binding techniques with stone as with metal.
Although we do have priests who could shape the stone into such a shape, they're limited in number and couldn't do so for the majority of our warriors.
 
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Knight Draco said:
Armor?
Our military is small, we can afford to give our catclaws some silver armor later on.
Would it make them invincible? No but it would help against wood, help against wood, possibly maybe belp against arrows etc.
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Silver armor would hurt them more than help. It would be very heavy and because of how soft it is it would have to be very thick as well which would just make it even heavier.
 
Knight Draco said:
Armor?
Our military is small, we can afford to give our catclaws some silver armor later on.
Would it make them invincible? No but it would help against wood, help against wood, possibly maybe belp against arrows etc.
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Silver armour isn't good enough to off-set the downsides of wearing metal armour.

Okay, new question, would a silver mace or warhammer be better than stone weaponry?
 
Before using silver for armour, you would be better of making a breastplate out of wicker and leather. Make a torso shaped basket with to halves and cover in thick hide. You could make a helmet in a similar fashion.
 
pttpttrwttr said:
In real life stone fell out of use due to it being very difficult to make a correctly-shaped, well-attached head of it. You couldn't use the same shaping and binding techniques with stone as with metal.
Although we do have priests who could shape the stone into such a shape, they're limited in number and couldn't do so for the majority of our warriors.
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Actually, your warriors are all Catclaws at this time and have access to magic so they could use stone manipulation to make and maintain their own stone weapons.
 
Oshha said:
Actually, your warriors are all Catclaws at this time and have access to magic so they could use stone manipulation to make and maintain their own stone weapons.
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Apologies, I deleted that post before realizing anybody had replied; I was reading fast and thought your reply pre-empted it for some reason
The elite warriors angle isn't something I'd though about; I'd assumed for some reason the stone magic was in much lower supply than that.
 
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Oshha said:
Silver armour isn't good enough to off-set the downsides of wearing metal armour.

Okay, new question, would a silver mace or warhammer be better than stone weaponry?
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Overall I would say yes. Silver wouldn't be able to take as big of a hit as stone without deforming at least a bit but once stone hits its breaking point it would become nonfunctional so I would say that silver weapons would last longer.

Silver should also hit harder thanks to the fact that it will be heavier and be of a greater quality design in comparison to stone.

Silver will also be able to be repaired which should cut down on the crafters work load once they have a decent stock of them. With stone I imagine that they have had to make new weapons constantly which can't be a quick or efficient process.

Another thing that could cutdown on the maintenance load of the crafters is have the Cat Claws/Eyes carry a small stone hammer with them to perform basic field maintenance on any deformations that the silver weapons have and also as a secondary weapon if needed.
 
UlseDovThur said:
be of a greater quality design in comparison to stone.
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UlseDovThur said:
Silver will also be able to be repaired which should cut down on the crafters work load once they have a decent stock of them. With stone I imagine that they have had to make new weapons constantly which can't be a quick or efficient process.
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Since our warriors can use stone-shaping magic I'd suspect this not to be the case.
@Oshha could our catclaws build and maintain hammers of hollow stone filled with lead?
 
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On a completely different note, one thing that stone shaping magic may be useful for is obsidian. I would say someone that knows a bit of stone magic could do a lot with a bit of obsidian, especially if extra sharp knives are needed. You could even take a lump of stone or a quartz crystal, or something in that vein,:whistle: and with a bit of shaping magic, you have a quite nifty multi-tools as you can adjust the tool for the task at hand.
 
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