I do hope we will be seeing more of Decimator-chan.
Calibration (BAHHSCQ/Sanctioned)
- Thread starter Alivaril
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- Crossover
If he does not die when we kill him, then sure, let's turn him into a waifu!
Alivaril
On a magically-deficient journey of self-discovery
- Location
- A single human dimension
- Pronouns
- She/Her
My brain: "Huh. Queen Administrator would make a pretty good quest protagonist, wouldn't she?"
Also my brain: "...Wait."
And thus the wheel turns again.
Alivaril
On a magically-deficient journey of self-discovery
- Location
- A single human dimension
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- She/Her
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...wait, is the joke here that: this type of comment was exactly wad made you start the idea of Quest Protagonist QA?
Otherwise, count me as *woosh*ed by your leaps of humourous logic.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
I don't think it has a biological gender, unless he has some secret spawn monsters abillity, there wouldn't be a point in letting type zero breed like humans because each have a unique gimmick so it wouldn't work, maybe they can do collaborative work together to make new type zeros?
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Alivaril
On a magically-deficient journey of self-discovery
- Location
- A single human dimension
- Pronouns
- She/Her
No, it's that my sleepy brain forgot that this QA started as a quest protagonist, and had two preexisting quests.
- Location
- Finland
I think you mean sex.
Gender is different.
do Antagonists have a concept of sex?
In the ancient days of yore, the (then) QM started a quest with QA as the protagonist. That quest died, and was then rebooted. And then it died again but the (now) Author liked the character so much there was a Spinoff where QA as Taylor gets dropped in another world. And then that story (and not the quest it continued, because concept-wise it's based on the story) got another spinoff/AU where QA gets dropped in another another world. And that's where we are now.
- Location
- Terra-Luna
It honestly fits the theme, really. By certain metrics, the two most "advanced" individuals are QA and Anna. Anna, for all her terrifying combat prowess is... just a colossal dork. Oh, sure, Anna can beat anyone in a fight and make it look like she's the absolute epitome of lethal grace, but half the time, she devolves into a confused, spluttering mess the moment anyone socials at her. QA herself rather follows that. She's arrogant to the point of thinking most others to be fundamentally incapable of earning the privilege of personhood by her standards, and she's actually sort of right in her own weird way, but that disparity in relatability makes her, indeed, alien, with QA's attempts at "blending in" resembling a wacky comedy such that Anna is actually ahead of her in knowing how to human properly. Following that, we have Decimator, newly arrived as one of the mighty Type Zero Antagonists... and getting immediately yelled at by this weird maybe-a-human heavily implying—seemingly without even meaning to, in a callousness all the more severe for its innocence—that Decimator is an ignorant moron who doesn't actually have any real idea what's going on. Then Decimator left. QA defeated a Type Zero by making it run away for feeling insecure about itself. That's definitely what happened.Okay, so apparently I had overestimated starfish alien.
Those are the rules, after all. There may be some variance within the gradience, but if QA defeats him, then he has to end up on the same side eventually in some manner. That's just how it works; it's totally not Alivaril's fault that that's the inherent structure of the medium for this crossover.
*Cue horrified Valkyrie audience as QA uses Symbie's multidimensional fractal tentacles to go full Bonesaw on the mission killed body of Decimator.*
"Why is she doing this?"
"Somebody told Pure-chan that Defeat Means Friendship, and you know how Pure-chan is about Making Friends..."
*Cue Decimator's Type Zero body dramatically crystallizing and melting and shrinking into a fractal dimensional pocket under QA's ministrations, leaving behind an artificial Valkrie Core and a bewildered young human lying in a puddle of waste Antagonist flesh.*
"...[QUERY]? ...[DATA]!?"
(In the future Decimator-Chan is revealed to be incredibly mentally slow by Veteran Valkyrie Standards, sparking vicious debate within Big Sister analyst teams.)
(Meanwhile, QA is satisfied that her guess was correct that [MOTHER] would not mind QA repeating QA's experiment with re-hosting existing shard-host relationships, and takes vindictive pleasure in bossing around Decimator-chan, as payment for QA's services rendered via monkeys-paw fulfillment of Decimators dying wish that it could continue experimenting for more [DATA] within this Cycle.)
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- Location
- Terra-Luna
The interaction between QA and Decimator has some curious potential for the future. The exchange between the two offers insight into Antagonist perspective. Unless Decimator was lying or wrong, the Antagonists hold beliefs giving them some reasonable motivations for what they do; under the circumstances, there's a legitimate possibility that the Antagonists may simply not think that they have any quarrel with her, as their main issue regards their claim over the Valkyrie Cores, and QA just isn't involved in that, neither some thief by their reckoning nor interfering. The Antagonists' stance towards QA may change, but right now, she's basically just an independent third party, not even loosely affiliated with the indigenous interlopers despite surface appearances. I think we're going to see some very weird behaviour as far as everyone else can tell.
QA sent Decimator a packet that was, more or less, a shardspeech translation guide. There's a lot of misconception going on all throughout this story, but Decimator arguably has the closest understanding to the actual truth. Decimator knows what QA said, even if her idea-transmissions suggested that Decimator lacked considerable context. More than that, Decimator's own replies were basically anemic in comparison, understandable, but barely worth the whole point of idea-transmission, and Decimator took an inordinately long time to compose those limited ideas in any case; in contrast, Decimator got blasted by comparatively massive amounts of data sent with zero meaningful latency, suggesting that the thing that declared the human its Host was utterly beyond it akin to regular humans contrasted against synchronised Valkyries, basically a complete child. QA may be walking around in a human body, but Decimator knows very well that such base appearances are not reflective of reality. Further still, now that Decimator has QA's key for interpreting her idea-transmissions, that supplement—or rather SUPPLEMENT—can be passed along to other Antagonists who will then be able to identify QA properly whenever she broadcasts her automatic identifier that declares her to not only be something on a completely different level but also explicitly recognisable as such. If QA encounters Antagonists affiliated with Decimator, they're probably going to leave her alone.
Making everything all the more perplexing for UN forces, the Antagonists also don't actually get along terribly well, unless they're pulling some kind of high-level con. Some Antagonists will work together, sure, and that gets altogether alarming when Type Zero Antagonists team up, but different Breaches have been known to be outright hostile to one another, in that infighting alluded by Decimator. That engenders a possibility that the Tripoli Major Breach might ignore QA or even be friendly towards her, and not actually necessarily deviate from that stance even if QA does take up arms against the Antagonists and appear to throw her lot in with that which the Antagonists consider some kind of renegade element, particularly on account of also being able to comprehend her own motivations to be similar to their own and nothing personal. Further, since the fighting between the Antagonists and humanity is treated as something of a development opportunity with parallels to the Cycles familiar to QA, QA herself as a recognisable greater entity may even get support from the Antagonists working with Decimator, with the Tripoli Major Breach sort of siding with her and becoming willing to turn against other Antagonists wholesale out of self-interest in the best advancement.
Regardless of the particular developments, there is considerable potential for the UN to see their suspicions over QA's promise and the suspicions surrounding her seemingly validated. Her super-code stuff really can seemingly subvert the Antagonists if events play out right. The idea that she somehow hacked Macross may start looking like a reasonable and obvious conclusion. Too, if anyone gets any more precise data on the interaction that went on between Macross and Cadet Hebert, they might realise that Macross's one missile employed there had been headed straight for her before deviating away; it might look as though perhaps she successfully spoofed or outright hijacked the Type Zero's missile in an act that could actually be believable for her specifically, and she may actually show similar feats in the future as a standard response whenever anyone tries to send any kind of guided munitions at her. Sure, that's pretty ridiculous, but Anna herself pulls of a similar feat of coopting control of missiles used against her later on, and bullshit cyberwarfare is Cadet Hebert's thing, to say nothing of her grasp of sensory and communications technology.
QA sent Decimator a packet that was, more or less, a shardspeech translation guide. There's a lot of misconception going on all throughout this story, but Decimator arguably has the closest understanding to the actual truth. Decimator knows what QA said, even if her idea-transmissions suggested that Decimator lacked considerable context. More than that, Decimator's own replies were basically anemic in comparison, understandable, but barely worth the whole point of idea-transmission, and Decimator took an inordinately long time to compose those limited ideas in any case; in contrast, Decimator got blasted by comparatively massive amounts of data sent with zero meaningful latency, suggesting that the thing that declared the human its Host was utterly beyond it akin to regular humans contrasted against synchronised Valkyries, basically a complete child. QA may be walking around in a human body, but Decimator knows very well that such base appearances are not reflective of reality. Further still, now that Decimator has QA's key for interpreting her idea-transmissions, that supplement—or rather SUPPLEMENT—can be passed along to other Antagonists who will then be able to identify QA properly whenever she broadcasts her automatic identifier that declares her to not only be something on a completely different level but also explicitly recognisable as such. If QA encounters Antagonists affiliated with Decimator, they're probably going to leave her alone.
Making everything all the more perplexing for UN forces, the Antagonists also don't actually get along terribly well, unless they're pulling some kind of high-level con. Some Antagonists will work together, sure, and that gets altogether alarming when Type Zero Antagonists team up, but different Breaches have been known to be outright hostile to one another, in that infighting alluded by Decimator. That engenders a possibility that the Tripoli Major Breach might ignore QA or even be friendly towards her, and not actually necessarily deviate from that stance even if QA does take up arms against the Antagonists and appear to throw her lot in with that which the Antagonists consider some kind of renegade element, particularly on account of also being able to comprehend her own motivations to be similar to their own and nothing personal. Further, since the fighting between the Antagonists and humanity is treated as something of a development opportunity with parallels to the Cycles familiar to QA, QA herself as a recognisable greater entity may even get support from the Antagonists working with Decimator, with the Tripoli Major Breach sort of siding with her and becoming willing to turn against other Antagonists wholesale out of self-interest in the best advancement.
Regardless of the particular developments, there is considerable potential for the UN to see their suspicions over QA's promise and the suspicions surrounding her seemingly validated. Her super-code stuff really can seemingly subvert the Antagonists if events play out right. The idea that she somehow hacked Macross may start looking like a reasonable and obvious conclusion. Too, if anyone gets any more precise data on the interaction that went on between Macross and Cadet Hebert, they might realise that Macross's one missile employed there had been headed straight for her before deviating away; it might look as though perhaps she successfully spoofed or outright hijacked the Type Zero's missile in an act that could actually be believable for her specifically, and she may actually show similar feats in the future as a standard response whenever anyone tries to send any kind of guided munitions at her. Sure, that's pretty ridiculous, but Anna herself pulls of a similar feat of coopting control of missiles used against her later on, and bullshit cyberwarfare is Cadet Hebert's thing, to say nothing of her grasp of sensory and communications technology.
- Location
- Mobile, Alabama
I suspect if that happens? TheAntagonists are in for a bad time.Because she'll probably realize that this isn't an experiment by the shards. And then the gloves come off.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
She probably wouldn't really know unless Taylor told her, and Taylor will wait until she is attached to the locals before telling her so she wouldn't blow a fuse.
- Location
- Ontario, Canada, Earth
I just got a mental picture of Decimator trying to act "normal" and compose an idea-transmission in response, while essentially hiding the antagonist equivalent of a hangover. It's not that QA is speaking too loud (from her perspective), it's just that Decimator's got a headache right now, and is trying to avoid making it worse. Meanwhile, after the "conversation" is over, Decimator decides to distribute the idea-transmission primer. After all, he was just handed this wonderful primer on a new E-war method. If he has a headache, then the other antagonists deserve one too.
Fast forward a few months, and all the antagonist factions are starting to use idea-transmission baby steps as a possible new E-war technique, not realizing that at least four layers of the "primer" were dedicated subversion routines left in for politeness sake. After all, what shard would willingly transmit an idea that wasn't packed with viruses? That would be insultingly rude! It would be like offering food with no spices on it to a guest.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
The weird thing is that will make a perfect sense, this sound exactly how I will imagine the shards in shard society acting, with QA joining in to be polite.
- Location
- Terra-Luna
Honestly, I think there's a very real possibility that we might legitimately get results sort of like that down the line, if perhaps through slightly different means. We do incidentally have this piece to perhaps consider:
QA automatically tacks on her signature whenever she communicates. Decimator presumably got that, and though Decimator now knows what that bit of shardspeech actually is, Decimator doesn't have QA there to discourage unwise endeavours. The sheer amount of information that QA repeatedly inundated Decimator with over the course of their exchange may very well have even the lofty processing capabilities of high-level Antagonists puzzling over the particulars for a long time, but QA handed Decimator a foundation for revolutionary advancements in software and communications technologies, and Antagonists may very well try to exploit that opportunity; if Decimator or others try to analyse QA's signature too closely, they may and up discovering that it is indeed easily weaponised. QA's signature has "anti-forging measures" that apparently can be fatal and cause crystalline growths, which sure sounds as though trying to pass as Queen Administrator may cause the victim to meet more success than actually desired, with trying to use her signature without the right means maybe triggering countermeasures that subvert the would-be forger to make them actually match that ID.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
There is also the danger she warned about, not just trying to pass as her, playing with it too much could kill the one who tried, the entire information packet on shard speech might actually be "booby trapped" in a way that won't effect shards but will kill anyone trying to play with them, and this is before account to it attracting Taylor's attention.
Although I am a bit worried, Queen mentioned that hosts getting shards communication protocols could produce one of the greatest threats to the cycle, it might be foreshadowing.
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
While this is a very fascinating idea, I actually had the impression that the reason Decimator's replies were so anemic is because he was trying not to give away that he wasn't a part of the cycle like QA assumed he was. While QA was happily babbling at him assuming he was a semi-ally, Decimator was carefully curating his responses so he would not pass on unnecessary information. Like, I had the sense he was obeying info-security for his hive while trying to extract as much info from this weird alien who believes he's semi-allied with her.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
- Location
- Euclidean plane
I can see it going either way. Antagonists (or at least one faction of them) and humans got hit with a brand new opportunity for electronic warfare.
Considering it's from space whales so advanced and exotic they might as well be magic? It could be cracked in short order or take decades of dedicated research for either side. Even with sufficiently advanced tech. In regard to QA's ID? I can just picture that being like handing a container of Chlorine Trifluoride to a medieval alchemist. Good luck putting out the fires, let alone weaponizing it. Shards are just wizards - no concept of right or wrong. Let's leave magical artefacts out for children to pick up.
I do really look forward to QA meeting a type 0 again in the future, though.
Considering it's from space whales so advanced and exotic they might as well be magic? It could be cracked in short order or take decades of dedicated research for either side. Even with sufficiently advanced tech. In regard to QA's ID? I can just picture that being like handing a container of Chlorine Trifluoride to a medieval alchemist. Good luck putting out the fires, let alone weaponizing it. Shards are just wizards - no concept of right or wrong. Let's leave magical artefacts out for children to pick up.
I do really look forward to QA meeting a type 0 again in the future, though.
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