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RisenIre said:
Examples of the humans having dimensional fuckery, and thus being able to figure out, if it's not already known, that travel between different Earths is theoretically possible.
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I take it as toddler trying to take a shot at an adult using a rock, the shards are very much aware and fear that the Toddler will grow up one day and be pissed off at the adult shard, and that the rock will be replaced by an actual weapon, but as of right now it is just a toddler, especially when the adult keep throwing things at the toddler without killing them, and the things are random enough that they could accidentally throw something like accelerated growth serum.

Sure, they can eventually figure it out, but as of right now they are just a toddler and not a threat outside the most ridiculous of circumstances, the continued experimentations could accelerate this growth to a degree the toddler is growing right before your eyes, at which point the adults, in this case the shards, shoot him a few times, run, and nuke the planet the toddler was on from orbit.

To avoid it most shards don't want to deal with a toddler, they prefer to deal with a bunch of embryos, if one embryo start the accelerated growth than they kill it while leaving the others free of influence for continued experimentations, but by using an embryo they leave a lot of important things they can learn from a toddler and not from an embryo, let alone considering the possibilities two adults can open together even if they don't have test subject to experiment on.

When a cycle is finished the adult does the nuke everything from orbit thing, and all the adults around, the good and the bad die no matter how nifty toys they have.

QA in this case was always a little different from other shards, we know she had a little "defective" idea about what is dangerous and what was not, and we know she explicitly ignored much more safety regulations than other shards, which resulted in more crippling, after which she still managed to come up with new ways to fuck things up

Now I break the metaphor a little bit because the toddler was supposed to signify a society, not a person, but hear me out, Taylor in this case was spontaneously grown into an adult from one of the things that hit the children instantly, but left her disguised as one of the adults that do the experimentions, she can take QA to the side and build on what already there, she show her a toddler, QA know they are supposed to be in a close compound but seeing a toddler there, she fit it into her world view that some others came up more to her way of thinking and decided to start using toddlers, she would prefer small children, but this is good too.

This is what happening here, her misjudging Valkyries was bad in that she is supposed to play a host, not in that they are a threat physically to her true self, and to tell the truth, left alone she might not actually kill the toddler if it grows in front of her and get attached, this is just QA and this is who she is.
 
SirKaid said:
A cognitohazard is a thing that hurts your mind if you interact with it. Lovecraftian monsters and areas are often cognitohazards.

A memetic hazard is an idea that hurts your mind if you interact with it. The closest thing I can think of for these bad boys would be PTSD triggers - a soldier hears a car door slam and they're suddenly in Fallujah again.
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I thought the difference between a memetic hazard and a cognitohazard was whether or not it is contagious.

Edit: according to an scp thread I found it goes like this:

Cognitohazard: harmful if sensed.

Infohazard: harmful if known about.

Memetic hazard: contagious information. (Distinct in that it is pure information while the others can be objects)
 
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CDRW said:
I thought the difference between a memetic hazard and a cognitohazard was whether or not it is contagious.
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Realistically speaking, yes, but that's mostly because the idea of a contagious cognitohazard simply isn't something plausible by today's technology or understanding of the world.

However, when you enter sci fi or fantasy realms, you can actually have a transmissible cognitohazard in theory, whether by telepathy or some other means.
 
CDRW said:
I thought the difference between a memetic hazard and a cognitohazard was whether or not it is contagious.
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Aye. A cognitohazard is like malware that damages your thought processes if you try to execute it. It either literally hurts to think about it, or you will be physically unable to stop thinking about it (until it is the only thing you can think about).

A memetic hazard is an infectious idea that is somehow dangerous, and often contains an element where someone infected will spread it to others.

Cognitohazards and memetic hazards have very strong synergy as kill agents, however they generally need to be targeted at the specific architecture of their victims, and Valkyries are technically not sane by human standards once they've been linked up with a core for sufficiently long.
(They are, however, very, very good, at emulating sanity enough to placate baselines or nearbaselines.)

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Also Earlier someone suggested Studio Gilgamesh would have profit motives.
That someonr misunderstands what Studio Gilgamesh is. They already have ALL THE MONEYS. Studio Gilgamesh is making ART. (Or rather, specifically, they are fulfilling the directors creative vision, and their budget is "yes".)
 
Another way to put it might be to say that 'memetic hazard' and 'Cognitohazard' are not actually mutually exclusive terms. You could theoretically have a memetic cognitohazard. It would be fucking terrifying for such a thing to exist, but in theory, it could happen.
 
Spectral Waltz said:
Another way to put it might be to say that 'memetic hazard' and 'Cognitohazard' are not actually mutually exclusive terms. You could theoretically have a memetic cognitohazard. It would be fucking terrifying for such a thing to exist, but in theory, it could happen.
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It is a rune, that harms the viewer, that causes the viewer to recreate the rune, and the process repeats.
 
Spectral Waltz said:
Another way to put it might be to say that 'memetic hazard' and 'Cognitohazard' are not actually mutually exclusive terms. You could theoretically have a memetic cognitohazard. It would be fucking terrifying for such a thing to exist, but in theory, it could happen.
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Specifically, a memetic hazard is a communicable cognitohazard. In that sense, QA's signature is potentially weaponizable by passing copies to intended enemies in the hope that the fail-safes will trigger on them rather than yourself.
 
Whatever its definition, I do know of one persistent 'hazard - or at least, the usual reactions make me suspect such.
(Seriously though, please take this conversation elsewhere.)
 
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RisenIre said:
Also, if they do understand the math behind wave force, which they do not iirc, then they would be aware of the dimensional part as that's really all physics is: describing the phenomena of the universe and the cause behind them, which can be expressed through math (or to inflict suffering upon students when their teacher doesn't teach).
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In the immortal words of Doctor Who: "BUMBLEBEES!". Bumblebees do not have enough lift surface to support their mass, thus, they cannot fly! According to my understanding, people can design aeroplanes using entirely-functional physics and maths that reach such a conclusion. You do not need to understand something or know anything about the causes behind it in order to describe it, nor, more relevantly, model it. Physics doesn't deal in truth, what it has is guesses, which get tested and replaced to become steadily more and more confident over time until, someday, it might reach a point at which we can no longer produce a question to which it can produce an answer that can be proven to be misleading.

Mathematics is a broader and greater field than physics is, and has plenty of tools outside of physics with which to model. I don't doubt that they could eventually produce a viable theory of wave force using brute-force statistics without ever being aware of any of the causes or processes. In fact, I rather suspect that that is exactly what happened, and now the physicists have been given something pretty-good at predicting wave-force to look over so that they can try to figure out what could cause the correlations that mathematicians found for them.

There is an important distinction in dimensional stuff. extra-dimensional means things having more directions than their peers are aware of. Like a perfectly flat cross-section of the ocean, trying to describe water currents when they know about forward-back, left-right, but not up-down, so there are a bunch of things missing.
Parallel-dimensional means like dimensions that cannot interact. Like a two perfectly flat and parallel cross-sections of the ocean, except there literally is no up-down dimension(although if there is no knowledge of up-down then I suppose it would be effectively accurate for practical purposes). It is two spatial coordinates that cannot have a path plotted between them because that are two entire sets of distinct spatial dimensions.

Shards use both, but the relevant one is parallel-dimensions, which shards are very good at. Blowing stuff up is much easier than being helpful in any way whatsoever, so the humans who can't even locate other earths could potentiall just throw a big glob of dimensionally-unstable energy at a corona and potentially punch a hole through the connection and do damage, just as [Sting] did to [Worrier] in Worm canon. The thing is, that [Sting] is a shard super-weapon. They all have far more advanced parallel-dimension interactions than Valkyrie-land has, and can't hurt each other with it like [Sting[ can because they actually know their stuff and have defences that are effective against most attacks lesser than [Sting]'s. It would be like the people who first crossed between Pacific islands in canoes trying to sink a modern warship. They are pretty good at predicting buoyancy and sinking, but are up against people who know a lot more about it, and have put a very great deal of thought, along with plenty of trial-and-error, into explicitly preventing anyone from messing with it. There are ways that they might be able to achieve it, but they really are not going to figure them out, and attempting to do so will become very obvious long before such threats are actually credible.

Or not. Everyone on the internet is fallible.
 
Aunty Shi Ping said:
In the immortal words of Doctor Who: "BUMBLEBEES!". Bumblebees do not have enough lift surface to support their mass, thus, they cannot fly! According to my understanding, people can design aeroplanes using entirely-functional physics and maths that reach such a conclusion.

*snip*

Or not. Everyone on the internet is fallible.
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In the immortal words of Randall Munroe: "Did you know sociologists can't explain why people keep repeating that urban legend about bumblebees not being able to fly!?"
 
Rgal said:
In the immortal words of Randall Munroe: "Did you know sociologists can't explain why people keep repeating that urban legend about bumblebees not being able to fly!?"
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That quote literally states: There is grater than one sociologist who is literally incapable of generating an explanation. It doesn't actually address anything, which is the point? Which in turn is completely pointless, so I don't get it.... Oh, I see, it is near-certainly mockery, it is intended to harm people, likely in an attempt to coerce them into mental subservience, it does makes sense from that perspective. I find myself unable to respect that statement being taken as commentary on consequential matters. The bumblebee quote, on the other hand, is excellent for illustrating thought experiments.

My point, however, was on simplified systems, and partially formed systems, being sufficient for one task and not another. As an introductory and illustration point my quote stands, and as far as I can tell, it also is actually correct, it is entirely possible to construct aircraft using theories that do not support bumblebee flight. Accepted facets of physics produce false data, that is not a matter of debate. Assuming that sufficient awareness of a phenomenon to manipulate it in one manner ensures that awareness to be reliable when applied to other tasks is unwise. That wave-force and teleportation, for possessing some measure dimensional influence, is sufficient to harm shards, is unsubstantiated. That Valkyrie storage, for being inconsistent with known spatial dimensions, demonstrates the ability to interact with shard mechanisms that produce similar effects, and in turn the distinct factors which would be required to actually interact with shards directly, is unsubstantiated. That the understanding of such matters possessed by the locals is capable of leading to even the mechanisms required to interact with the shards' countermeasures in so much as the most limited fashion, is unsubstantiated.

If there is an argument to dispute any of this, then I should like to hear it. If there are insults that actually carry so much as a single argument to support them, then I should like those too, as they can be refuted or accepted, though finding alternate means to present the information would be preferable. Making deliberately false statements about unrelated matters with no context is unhelpful.
 
Aunty Shi Ping said:
In the immortal words of Doctor Who: "BUMBLEBEES!". Bumblebees do not have enough lift surface to support their mass, thus, they cannot fly! According to my understanding, people can design aeroplanes using entirely-functional physics and maths that reach such a conclusion.
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Bullshit, we know exactly how bees fly. This was a popular bit of misinformation that gets passed around as a pseudo-scientific fact. Bees essential fly like tiny helicopters, which may I remind you, we can build. Maths explains how bees can stay airborne with such tiny wings.
Aunty Shi Ping said:
You do not need to understand something or know anything about the causes behind it in order to describe it, nor, more relevantly, model it. Physics doesn't deal in truth, what it has is guesses, which get tested and replaced to become steadily more and more confident over time until, someday, it might reach a point at which we can no longer produce a question to which it can produce an answer that can be proven to be misleading.
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You kind of do need to understand the underlying principles of something to model it with accuracy in mathematics. Or, if you just want to predict the results, then it is possible to work backwards to get the mechanics of it. No, physics doesn't deal in truth, but what you've said is misleading. Physics doesn't deal just with guesses, which implies that physicist just randomly speculate (which is really what a hypothesis is), when in fact they give observable trends and explanations for these trends.
Aunty Shi Ping said:
That quote literally states: There is grater than one sociologist who is literally incapable of generating an explanation. It doesn't actually address anything, which is the point? Which in turn is completely pointless, so I don't get it.... Oh, I see, it is near-certainly mockery, it is intended to harm people, likely in an attempt to coerce them into mental subservience, it does makes sense from that perspective. I find myself unable to respect that statement being taken as commentary on consequential matters. The bumblebee quote, on the other hand, is excellent for illustrating thought experiments.
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1. Wikipedia has cites, which can tell you more and that can provide the more in-depth addressing of this fact. Or see the top of this post.
2. What the fuck are you on if you think that the link to Wikipedia was meant to some how bend you or others into a mental subservience? It was meant to show how the claim of bees not being able to fly under our understanding of physics and aerodynamics is a false assertion.
Aunty Shi Ping said:
My point, however, was on simplified systems, and partially formed systems, being sufficient for one task and not another. As an introductory and illustration point my quote stands, and as far as I can tell, it also is actually correct, it is entirely possible to construct aircraft using theories that do not support bumblebee flight. Accepted facets of physics produce false data, that is not a matter of debate. Assuming that sufficient awareness of a phenomenon to manipulate it in one manner ensures that awareness to be reliable when applied to other tasks is unwise. That wave-force and teleportation, for possessing some measure dimensional influence, is sufficient to harm shards, is unsubstantiated. That Valkyrie storage, for being inconsistent with known spatial dimensions, demonstrates the ability to interact with shard mechanisms that produce similar effects, and in turn the distinct factors which would be required to actually interact with shards directly, is unsubstantiated. That the understanding of such matters possessed by the locals is capable of leading to even the mechanisms required to interact with the shards' countermeasures in so much as the most limited fashion, is unsubstantiated.
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So, half wrong half right. Originally, I made the point that humans had that space dimensional fuckery to demonstrate that they did have the potential to understand, and subsequently access other dimensions such as the one QA is on. Then, wave force and teleportation serve as launching points for the R&D to work from. That's it. No one claimed that wave force and teleportation was enough to harm Shards, but if one were to use wave force on the Shard's main body in the alternate dimensions it would likely damage them. Not much can stand up to the very fabric of space-time fraying and being torn apart by by the universe trying to deal with the negative energy that said move utilizes.
 
I wonder how successful QAylor would be in a world like naruto?

And that base... I'm guessing that Taylor is the unnamed girl, she must have lost a lot of her morality to have had no problem with spawning piles of dead children, and I can't wait to find out how far she's gone...
 
Jubjub115 said:
And that base... I'm guessing that Taylor is the unnamed girl, she must have lost a lot of her morality to have had no problem with spawning piles of dead child
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They are fake, and her being drugged might make it sound reasonable, it seems like she got excited and overdid it more than her losing morals.
 
Jubjub115 said:
And that base... I'm guessing that Taylor is the unnamed girl, she must have lost a lot of her morality to have had no problem with spawning piles of dead children, and I can't wait to find out how far she's gone...
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Honestly there's not much in here that I would consider significantly immoral to create, especially given the sign on the door. Honestly the biggest objection I can think of is that the resources were wasted. This is more or less a haunted house taken to the extremes and having the tech to make the bodies be significantly more real than they would otherwise be. Creating corpses isn't exactly bad if they were created from scratch as corpses not living people first.
 
Woodlark14 said:
Honestly there's not much in here that I would consider significantly immoral to create, especially given the sign on the door. Honestly the biggest objection I can think of is that the resources were wasted. This is more or less a haunted house taken to the extremes and having the tech to make the bodies be significantly more real than they would otherwise be. Creating corpses isn't exactly bad if they were created from scratch as corpses not living people first.
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You know a haunted house is fake when you enter, this is closer to a prank that went way out of hand. I would say further traumatizing already traumatized people for vague and confused reasons could easily be considered immoral assuming it was intentional.
 
Vodkasheep said:
You know a haunted house is fake when you enter, this is closer to a prank that went way out of hand. I would say further traumatizing already traumatized people for vague and confused reasons could easily be considered immoral assuming it was intentional.
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There are two things to keep in mind here:

The first is that, she specifically warned people entering that doing so would be traumatic if they entered (The "We do not accept responsibility for any trauma that may result from the exploration of this area" is a way telling others that the exploration of this area is traumatic, and they read that before going in).

They chose to go in after being signalled that doing so was traumatic.

Furthermore, as per Alivaril's post on Taylor's current limitations:


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Taylor's primary interface for QA's systems is, as a bunch of readers already know, lucid dreaming. The outside world is also converted and interpreted through this distorted lens. What isn't converted are people. Taylor experiences social interactions through QAylor, but that can almost be considered disconnected from Taylor herself; she can't aim that way.

However, since environments are reflected in dreaming, what she can do is aim at locations and subsequently warp them to her bidding ala squishy lucid dreams. The versions in her dreams have, as a general rule, had all their sharp edges rounded off and are softer in general; they're still identifiable as the original thing, but it's like the difference between a huge Halloween decoration spider (Taylorvision) and an actual freakishly large spider (the reality). Things that are already soft and fluffy don't receive this treatment, which blurs the line between horror and huggable and makes horrors seem as though they're not that bad yet.

The moral of the story here is that Taylor built an over-the-top haunted underground complex in her dreams – complete with a variety of different attractions – and it turned into a nightmare complex in reality.
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From Taylor's distorted perspective, this area wasn't nearly as bad as what it was in reality. She didn't realize, and doesn't have the senses to realize, just how far she'd gone.

Heck:

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Hey, they've been there for, like, one day and I've been keeping an eye on them! You don't—wait, the complex is supposed to be dumb. Never mind, go ahead and insult it.
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To her, the complex was supposed to be dumb, and something that is worthy of being insulted.

By the end of the chapter, she realized that it was a bit too far, and tried to remove the worst rooms they didn't see yet, and tried converting some of the rooms in friendlier areas… it backfired though.

So she warned them that it may be traumatic before entering, the way she views the world and uses her powers makes it so that she cannot tell just how horrible it is, in fact designed it with the intention of it being dumb and when she realized that she went too far, she tried to backtrack. Those few points alone makes it much less morally dubious but:

The reason that the complex was made wasn't confused, it was made in a way that was based on the Cycle that entities force civilizations through, making it analogous to what QA has went through in the past so that people could have the minimum necessary context to understand QA and help her develop away from her programming.

Which would mean that it was made for a good cause, especially since getting QA on side is very possibly an important win-condition for being able to stop Scion from destroying a countless number of alternates Earths, including the Earth they are currently on, in the future.

I wouldn't say that there aren't better ways to do this, but given that Taylor is a pretty broken individual, existing on alien hardware, views the world in a dream-like state, and is basically in a constantly drugged out state… I am not necessarily surprised that this is the conclusion that Taylor came up with.
 
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I know this will not happen, but I can see Taylor make a computer in the supposedly "head office" weather it is in the church or not and on the computer all of the files are corrupted, except one called "PROJECT Q.A." and it shows Taylor getting experimented on with the end of the video getting corrupted, and after that, Taylor makes QA take a hit on the head and acts like her dungeon version, just more child-like and not "knowing" what's happening and after a while and have the club meet the "pre-injury" Taylor, afterwards have her it in the head to put QA back in charge. A interesting thought but will never happen
 
Thinking back on edgy backgrounds/history etc. I'd probably in a vaguely recalled hindsight, say that odds are Dreamer here is probably going to try and skin a 'take' on Warframe's Orokin here. In context/backstory for "QA's mutilating/traumatic history, for being Royal." Stir with 'oh, she also had to deal with all~ the set up... Then got mind blanked/crippled, every time.' As possible further contexts.

But alas, it'd likely go so "Springtime", that by the time the horror story 'rig' is observed/dealt with enough. Everyone's just going to say that QA Taylor... Has the most fucked up backstory, out of all Bunker cults. Worse with the thought that a preserved 'thought', ended up being so engrained/sync'd with Taylor here. She's for all accounts, Taylor.

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At least, it's a better thought than going lazy thoughts/speculation on Studio Gilgamesh. Them staring at Dreamer/QA here, and go YES! Before taking 'creative' liberties in contexts to their 'vision', or Art.
 
I honestly wanna see more of Tay's bunker of horrors shes got going on. More trauma, yay!


Also, what's this Studio Giglamesh you guys keep bringing up?
 
Fallen-Baron said:
I honestly wanna see more of Tay's bunker of horrors shes got going on. More trauma, yay!


Also, what's this Studio Giglamesh you guys keep bringing up?
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The setting of BAHHSCQ is a harem anime that doesn't exist made by anime studio that doesn't exist. The anime's name is "Valkyrie Core" and the studio's name is not known, but questers came to call it "Gilgamesh Entertainment" or "Studio Gilgamesh" while joking that the man in golden armor himself is directly involved with executive decisions.
 
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Rgal said:
The setting of BAHHSCQ is a harem anime that doesn't exist made by anime studio that doesn't exist. The anime's name is "Valkyrie Core" and the studio's name is not known, but questers came to call it "Gilgamesh Entertainment" or "Studio Gilgamesh" while joking that the man in golden armor himself is directly involved with executive decisions.
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Hence why the budget is 'yes' and the employees are motivated by fear of what the man will do to them if they deliver a sub-par product in his name.
 
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