Omake: Eurobotes
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
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Vickers 14/45:
Shell: 673.5 kg (1,485 lbs)
Caliber: 14-inch (355.6 mm)
Muzzle Velocity: 775 m/s (2,540 ft/s)
Maximum firing range 35,450 m (38,770 yd)
BL 13.5 Mk V:
Shell (H): 1,400 lb (635.03 kg)
Caliber: 13.5-inch (342.9 mm)
Muzzle Velocity (H): 2,491 ft/s (759 m/s)
Maximum firing range (H): 23,740 yards (21,710 m) at 20°
So. In comparison with the 14in she would originally have gotten, if Indy has to use the 13.5 it's not that great a difference. The shell is just 85 pounds lighter, using the Heavy variant (the BL 13.5 had both 'light' and 'heavy' variants. HMS Tiger used the latter, so Indy would certainly follow suit). The muzzle velocity is only 16 m/s less. Range is quite a bit longer on the 14, but with the muzzle velocity and shell weight being so close, that's almost certainly because of the historical refits of Kongou and sisters.
BL 14in Mk. VII:
Shell: 1,590 lb (720 kg)
Caliber: 14 inches (360 mm)
Muzzle Velocity: 2,400 ft/s (730 m/s)
Maximum firing range 36,500 yd (33,400 m) at 40.7°
So, even in comparison to the new 14-incher on the KGV, the 13.5 doesn't come off that bad. The shell is a good 200 pounds lighter, but it's reasonable to argue the Brits could pull out a special heavier shell, guns have been modified that way before. The MV is actually higher in the 13.5. While the range is heavily in favor of the 14-inch Mk. VII that's, just as with Kongou, likely because of the higher elevation more than anything.
Really, the 13.5 was a decent gun, if in an odd caliber. It isn't unreasonable to think it could be modified to be competitive, at least against older ships. )
EDIT: Moreover, IRL the 13.5 went out with a whimper because the ships equipping it did. The Lions? Old and not easily modernized, so they were taken out of commission after Washington. The Iron Dukes? Just as old, and it's little surprise they didn't last past London after all. They were slow, underarmored (being designed before Jutland and all) and with the ten 15-inch BBs the Brits had between the QEs and R's, what reason was there to keep them?
Tiger also went away, but in her case it's more economics. She would have been the only ship using the 13.5 if the Brits kept her, which would be a supply headache. In addition, she was showing her age, not modernized.
Shell: 673.5 kg (1,485 lbs)
Caliber: 14-inch (355.6 mm)
Muzzle Velocity: 775 m/s (2,540 ft/s)
Maximum firing range 35,450 m (38,770 yd)
BL 13.5 Mk V:
Shell (H): 1,400 lb (635.03 kg)
Caliber: 13.5-inch (342.9 mm)
Muzzle Velocity (H): 2,491 ft/s (759 m/s)
Maximum firing range (H): 23,740 yards (21,710 m) at 20°
So. In comparison with the 14in she would originally have gotten, if Indy has to use the 13.5 it's not that great a difference. The shell is just 85 pounds lighter, using the Heavy variant (the BL 13.5 had both 'light' and 'heavy' variants. HMS Tiger used the latter, so Indy would certainly follow suit). The muzzle velocity is only 16 m/s less. Range is quite a bit longer on the 14, but with the muzzle velocity and shell weight being so close, that's almost certainly because of the historical refits of Kongou and sisters.
BL 14in Mk. VII:
Shell: 1,590 lb (720 kg)
Caliber: 14 inches (360 mm)
Muzzle Velocity: 2,400 ft/s (730 m/s)
Maximum firing range 36,500 yd (33,400 m) at 40.7°
So, even in comparison to the new 14-incher on the KGV, the 13.5 doesn't come off that bad. The shell is a good 200 pounds lighter, but it's reasonable to argue the Brits could pull out a special heavier shell, guns have been modified that way before. The MV is actually higher in the 13.5. While the range is heavily in favor of the 14-inch Mk. VII that's, just as with Kongou, likely because of the higher elevation more than anything.
Really, the 13.5 was a decent gun, if in an odd caliber. It isn't unreasonable to think it could be modified to be competitive, at least against older ships. )
EDIT: Moreover, IRL the 13.5 went out with a whimper because the ships equipping it did. The Lions? Old and not easily modernized, so they were taken out of commission after Washington. The Iron Dukes? Just as old, and it's little surprise they didn't last past London after all. They were slow, underarmored (being designed before Jutland and all) and with the ten 15-inch BBs the Brits had between the QEs and R's, what reason was there to keep them?
Tiger also went away, but in her case it's more economics. She would have been the only ship using the 13.5 if the Brits kept her, which would be a supply headache. In addition, she was showing her age, not modernized.
More on topic, Eurobotes!
...but Vicky FEELS. Namely...
Just why does she hate that nickname so much?
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"I told you, stop calling me that! Bloody hell, what's so hard to understand about..."
"Vicky, calm..."
"I will not calm down!"
HMS Victorious, most powerful of the Royal Navy ship girls, vibrated with anger. That it was directed at her only sister would surprise some. Victorious and Formidable were among the closest of any sister ships that had returned, as their other sisters had not returned. That they were the only two proper carriers in the Royal Navy just emphasized that closeness even further.
In fact, the two never fought.
Or even really argued.
So the betrayed look on Formidable's face was hardly surprising. Her blue eyes were wet, the carrier's lip quivering at the thunderous expression on her sister's face. She couldn't understand why her sister was so angry with her. Victorious had hardly made a secret of hating that nickname...ever since Renown had come up with it, she'd practically jumped down the throat of anyone who used it. From the unrepentant battlecruiser, to Warspite herself.
But...
"Sis, I just..." Formidable croaked out, her shoulders shaking. She wasn't like her little sister. She was...was weaker. Not as skilled or as experienced. And it had her shaking to see Victorious so angry.
"You just jumped on that bloody train," Victorious spat back, her own shoulders shaking. But from anger, not sadness. "I have told everyone how much I hate that damn nickname, why do you lot keep using..."
Even as Victorious built up a head of steam, a hand fell down on her shoulder. A soft, but very firm hand, that squeezed her shoulder in warning. Turning around, mouth already open to shout...
Victorious' head of steam vanished quicker than cold water dousing her boilers.
"Dear, please, leave your sister be." Furious smiled that gentle smile, soft and underlaid with steel, that only a mother could have. And the smile remained firmly in place when she continued speaking, "I know you aren't happy with the nickname, but please don't take it out on Formidable. I hateto see my daughters fighting."
Just as her smile, Furious' voice was that of a disappointed mother. She shook her head at the defiant look on Victorious' face, before turning her blue eyes on Formidable instead.
"I am sorry about that, Formidable."
For her part, Formidable just gave a weak smile, "No, it...it's my fault. I didn't think, I-I thought that she wouldn't be that annoyed."
The younger sister opened her mouth to retort, only for Furious to squeeze Victorious' shoulder again with a warning glance.
With her rebellious daughter suitably cowed, the mother of all carriers turned her head back to her elder daughter, "I wouldn't worry about that Formidable. I've been meaning to have a talk with your sister for some time now. Run along now, we'll be busy for a little bit."
Formidable looked like she wanted to protest. If only because blood ran deeper than any arguments...she didn't want to see her sister punished. For all that Victorious' anger had hurt her, she loved her sister. Looked up to the veteran.
But the look on Furious brooked no argument.
"Right..." the redhaired carrier looked down at her feet, sighing softly. Her hands gripped her skirt, running over the soft fabric as she turned around. "I'm...sorry, Vick...Victorious."
With one last look over her shoulder, Formidable pulled her slightly-melted helmet down her head and walked away. Leaving Furious and Victorious alone, the former letting out a soft sigh when she turned to look at the latter. Without saying a word, the elderly carrier turned her head towards the nearby barracks, nodding once. Victorious...well, she pouted. Her lips were pursed in annoyance, but she didn't dare raise a word against her mother.
Furious may be old, but she could spank her six ways to Sunday.
Without breaking out her old cannon.
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This said, it was only once the two carriers were safely locked into the room they shared, that Furious actually truly showed her daughter how she felt. The old warrior's smile fell away, replaced by a deep frown. Her arms were crossed over her modest bust, a single elegant eyebrow raised up nearly to the line of her brown hair. If there was any one word to describe her stance and expression, it was utter disappointment.
I thought better of you Victorious. Why does that...
"...nickname hurt you so much?" Furious finished her thought aloud, looking at her youngest daughter. The youngest present, at any rate.
"Because it isn't me!" Victorious shot back immediately, only to flinch back when Furious uncrossed her arms.
In fact the elder carrier felt her shoulders slump, a frustrated groan escaping her lips. She tried to act the proper mother figure, but sometimes...sometimes the eager girl who had served with Hood after her return peaked out. Like now, when she just couldn't hide her frustration. Not entirely.
"Don't give me that bollocks, young lady," Furious didn't hold back in her voice either. The tone remained the same, but the words certainly weren't. She shook her head at her daughter, her hairbun swaying with the motion. Furious pointed at Victorious', her eyes narrowed to flinty slits, "I know you better than that, dear. I may have accepted that explanation after I tried to get you to stop going off on Warspite."
Furious let her hand drop, her head continuing to shake. She just...didn't understand.
"And I kept my mouth shut when you continued to go off on anyone who said it. I thought that you would get over it eventually, just as I got over the jokes over my old cannon." Furious couldn't help her mouth twitching up at the thought of that time. Oh, but some of those nicknames were creative. Still, her lips didn't form a proper smile. Not when she needed to work out what was wrong with her daughter. "And I should have talked to you sooner. Because I never thought you would snap at your sister!"
Only at the end, did the elderly carrier let her voice raise. Because she couldn't, just couldn't, understand why Victorious would have snapped so badly at her own sister. Now, it was true that Furious herself didn't have any sisters. Courageous and Glorious, bless their hearts, were half-sisters at best. And honestly...barely even that. Furious missed them, but she wasn't as close to them.
Not like Victorious and Formidable.
Those sisters were practically inseparable. They only had each other, and it showed. They never fought. In fact, Furious couldn't even remember them ever arguing until...
"I...it..." Victorious worked her jaw, her mouth opening and closing. Her shoulders were slumped helplessly, the girl looking young. She was normally every inch the oldest serving carrier in the Royal Navy. Even, in fact, slightly longer serving than Furious herself.
But now...now she looked nothing like that.
"It isn't easy, mother," the girl finally got out, her voice small and quiet. Her brown eyes were shaded by the helmet over her eyes, the old carrier looking at her feet. Her legs shuffled uncomfortably, Victorious clearly uncomfortable on this subject. "I...I know I overreact. But...it..."
Furious sighed softly, walking forward. Damn her motherly instincts...as she wrapped Victorious up in a gentle embrace. She held the bustier girl to her chest, letting her smaller arms wrap around Victorious. Furious leaned her head against her daughters hard helmet, wishing that she could at least lean against her soft hair instead. Kiss Victorious' hair. Let her daughter know she still loved her.
But, she settled for holding Victorious, as the younger girl shook against her chest.
"Shh...shh..." Furious whispered, rubbing comforting circles into the other carrier's back. Her breath ghosted against the old helmet, her voice just as soft as her gentle motions while she continued speaking, "I just want to understand why that nickname hurts you so much, baby. I know you aren't hurt this much by Harbor Queen or any other nickname I've heard the destroyers toss your way."
Those little girls were vicious sometimes...
"I deserve those names," Victorious croaked out, a weak laugh accompanying the words. She shook her head against Furious' shoulder, the shaking in her body growing slightly. "I know I do. With all the time it took to refit me? But that...that's not the same."
Why wasn't it? Furious knew that she didn't know everything about her daughter. Victorious had been away from her more than she was with her. Both during the War, and afterwards. When Furious was scrapped, and Victorious became the Grand Old Lady of the Royal Navy carriers. It was little wonder she loved Warspite so...they were quite similar, in that regard. But...that aside...
Why does that nickname hurt her so? Renown came up with it out of...
Wait...
Furious pulled back, though her gentle grip remained. She looked at her daughter's face, tears trailing down her cheeks. The old carrier resisted every urge she had to reach out and wipe those tears away, and instead, looked directly into Victorious' eyes. Because there was a pain there. No anger. Just...old pain. Regret. Everything she had never seen in HMS Victorious, not once.
And...
"Renown..." Furious whispered, her blue eyes widening slightly. "She wasn't the first one to give you that nickname."
It was a statement, not a question. It was the only thing that made any bloody sense at all.
Victorious croaked out another laugh, shaking her head sadly, "No, bloody hell no. I...remember, mother? What I did in the Pacific?"
Frowning, Furious nodded, "Vaguely, yes. You spent time in the Eastern Fleet."
"Yes, and with the Americans."
Silence filled the room when Victorious said that. Her voice had cracked at the end, barely a whisper. And Furious was reduced to staring in shock. The Americ...of course.
Of bloody course!
"Saratoga. She gave you that name."
Furious knew of the American. A closer counterpart to herself than Langley, the first American being more like little Argus. But Saratoga, and her sister for that matter, were like her. Battlecruisers turned into carriers. Ships that built the American fleet air arm. How could Furious not know of them? But all the same, it had completely slipped her mind that her daughter had spent some time, alone with just the Americans. Just Saratoga. She hadn't really thought of that before.
Of what having no American carriers, least of all that one back, had to be doing to her daughter.
If that...
"She did, yeah," Victorious whispered, snapping Furious' attention back to the younger carrier. A small laugh escaped her lips, the brunette carrier shaking her head, "I...it's been a long time. But I still remember the first time I met the Americans. They were so tired out there, and they were happy to have even me, an inexperienced novice who couldn't even stop Bismarck."
Victorious pulled away from her mother, her shaking legs collapsing. The carrier fell heavily onto her bed, not even noticing her helmet rolling off her head. Thick brown hair fell on her face, and all around her head. But she didn't once stop talking. No matter her voice taking a monotone.
"I was a novice who couldn't do anything right, other than some escort and Torch. But Sara...she was different. Even the first time I saw her, I knew that. She was big, but..." Victorious turned her head, looking up at Furious with wet eyes. Eyes that were filled with distant pain. "She was sograceful. Oh, she was tired too. I could tell she was being pushed too hard for how old she was. But she was still so smart. So kind. Beautiful. Everything I wasn't."
Sitting down next to her daughter, Furious reached her hand out. She stroked Victorious' face, her daughter leaning into the touch. She looked so...vulnerable. This was dredging up her past. And Furious knew that.
But she had to know...just why that nickname was so painful.
"Sara...she was a teacher. She told me stories, of training all the other American carriers. Of Enterprise, eagerly learning at her knee," a small smile crossed the young carrier's face. A small giggle as well, that quickly faded. "She was...someone I wanted to be like. I was only a couple years old at the time, but she didn't care. Sara took me under her wing just like she had with the Americans. She taught my crew everything they knew, later in the War. It was...it was there I got that nickname."
The brunette carrier turned to look at her mother, a melancholic smile crossing her face. Her hand reached out, gently grasping Furious' own hand.
"Big Vicky. That was something her crew called me, you know the Yanks and their penchant for shortening the name of everything."
Furious smiled, a small laugh rumbling up her throat, "I do indeed. A couple of their destroyers call me Miss Fury."
The smile was mimicked on Victorious, but only until she started talking again, "Sara and I spent so much time together, the only carriers in the South Pacific. We played war games against each other. We traded air wings. We just...talked. She told me stories, and I listened. She taught me. And through it all...she was so patient. I made a fool of myself more than I would like to admit. But she never once judged me."
Shaking her head, Victorious turned to look back at the ceiling with another sigh.
"Not only did she not judge me, she cared about me. Sara always said 'I don't want to see another young girl sink. Not after Lex. Yorktown. Wasp. Hornet. I never want to see that again. I would sooner die myself, than see any of you sink again. Especially you, Little Vicky.'"
Watery laughs came from Victorious when she said that, the girl curling up in the bed. Her knees were pushed into her chest, her face resting atop them. Tears flowed freely, and she didn't even resist Furious crawling over to gently pull her into her lap. Her hand stroked Victorious' hair, as she gently hummed. Nothing in particular. She just...hummed. And let her daughter get it out of her system.
She hated this.
Seeing Victorious so sad.
"I..." the younger girl finally got out, her voice cracked. Broken. "I think I might have loved her at the end. Because she was just so kind and understanding. She did more for me than anyone ever had, even in the short time we were together. I didn't like saying goodbye, but she had promised we would see each other again. And...and we never did."
Victorious curled up further, her face buried in Furious' dress, wetting the fabric with her tears.
"I missed serving with her when Big Sis Illustrious did. I missed seeing her after the war, when the Yanks decided that nuking her was the best thing they could for someone who served them so well." Victorious couldn't keep the anger out of her broken voice at the end.
And Furious couldn't blame her. That...that could not have been a nice way to leave the world, even if Saratoga most certainly was already dead by that point. But...she could understand how her daughter felt. To be denied the chance to meet someone she cared for, so very much, one last time. Because of fate, or the actions of governments or whatever the cause. It would always be painful. And it would always leave those left behind scarred.
"Victorious...I don't know what to tell you," Furious whispered, leaning down to finally kiss her daughter's forehead gently. Her soft lips brushed against Victorious' scalp, words ghosting out, blowing her hair around. She held her daughter gently as she spoke, "I can only imagine how much that must have hurt. Is that why...?"
The younger girl let out a watery sob in response, clutching tightly at her mother's dress, "Yes, bloody hell yes. That nickname was Sara's. Not anyone else, our little secret. When Renown 'came up with it'? Started spreading it around? It...I..."
"You felt like it was a betrayal of your old friend." Furious finished for her daughter.
Victorious could only nod in response.
Sighing softly, Furious squeezed her daughter against her, "I see. Do you still love her? I thought that Warspite had your heart now?"
The attempt to lighten the mood worked, to some extent. Victorious giggled against Furious, but it was still weak and watery. It was nothing like the usual reaction she would have gotten. But then...that wasn't going to happen. Furious was just happy that her daughter could laugh. This subject was so very painful for her, it was just nice to get something other than crying.
Other than pain.
"No, you aren't wrong mom," Victorious whispered, not even bothering with the formal title anymore. She looked up, red-rimmed brown eyes staring into blue. "I do love Warspite, I can't deny that to you. But I can't just...I can't forget about Sara. I think she's someone I still love...maybe as a friend or a sister now. But that won't change."
"And it never should," Furious placed a finger against her daughter's lips. A small smile crossed her face, the old carrier nodding sharply. "It truly shouldn't. And, for what it is worth...I'm sorry I made you talk about all of this."
Her daughter laughed weakly at that, "No, it's my fault for being an utter arse to Formidable. I'll have to apologize to her later. And...I think I needed this. At least someone else knows now...I just hope...I..."
"I hope that she comes back too, darling."
Nothing more needed to be said, as Victorious fell down on her mother's lap. Furious returned to humming and stroking the younger girl's hair, her blue eyes looking out the window of their room. Towards the Atlantic. And indeed, towards America, a world away. A nation only now starting to see their soldiers return. And one that could not, for the life of them, summon even one proper carrier. No matter how adorable White Plains was.
But...
Please, let her come back. If only for my daughter. Please.
...Furious still sent a silent prayer. A prayer that her daughter could be reunited with the American who had done so much for her.
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Between Hood and Bisko and Vicky/Sara I really am making a habit of having Britbotes who want to meet someone...
But can't.
(not that Sky wouldn't write Sara in a heartbeat if given the chance, as we've established. Bisko I'm not quite as fond of for obvious reasons)
((also, I did say Way back here that I wanted to write stuff with Sara and Vicky. At least I got something. ))
(((Also, also: Vicky is a nickname American sailors gave Victorious. Historical accuracy FTW!)))