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Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]

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Close your mind to stress and pain,
Fight till you're no longer sane
Let not a one damn cur pass by,
How many of them can we make cry

PAGDTenno said:
Damn. I hope that there was some kind of surveillance in the area, that how they died isn't forgotten.
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Highly unlikely, alas. Satellites don't have the coverage and resolution to be monitoring the oceans - it was and remains trivially easy for USN carrier groups to avoid Russian and Chinese surveillance satellites. The only way to really surveil and monitor is from the air - but if we had that, it wouldn't have been such a desperate fight.

Memo to self. Need to write Belated Missile Cruisers fixfic omake, like all trashy fanfic writers. ._.
 
I'll be frank... I'm not really feeling it in all honesty. It's less sadness that Maya and Sendai died and more annoyance in regards to it as outside of Sendai to a small extent, it was only just before this happened that they really had any real role in the fic. Then you got all the death flags right off the bat as well as the idiot balls in fic of sending nothing but a Heavy Cruiser and a Light Cruiser out to escort a convoy to Hawaii when every other time we've seen a convoy it had a bunch of shipgirls, especially heavy ones, as well as no possible way for help to get to them. In fact, like someone stated it comes across as almost GRR-lite in that it's to stir up drama and shout "SEE! SEE! PEOPLE DIE IN THIS!".

Oddly, if anything? It reminds me of the fact that there's no damn Carriers in this in all reality and how much of a difference they would make. And no, don't bother going at me over bringing that dead horse up again.
Whiskey Golf said:
Memo to self. Need to write Belated Missile Cruisers fixfic omake, like all trashy fanfic writers. ._.
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*Snorts* Considering that I've had 747s throwing out almost two hundred cruise missiles, I could do that.
 
Murakumo, at the least, was with them. So there was/were destroyer(s). Carriers would probably have helped, yes.

Too bad I've only got the three. Unless I decide to give Aussieland, Melbourne or something. Though that would require sinking something without nearly getting Nyanbote sunk as well.
 
Well. I would not want to be in these's Abyssals' shoes when this is discovered. The shipgirls haven't sustained losses in a long time. So they're going to be looking for something to take out their pain on, after this.
Whiskey Golf said:
Highly unlikely, alas. Satellites don't have the coverage and resolution to be monitoring the oceans - it was and remains trivially easy for USN carrier groups to avoid Russian and Chinese surveillance satellites. The only way to really surveil and monitor is from the air - but if we had that, it wouldn't have been such a desperate fight.
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Throw in the storm, and it's fairly unlikely.

On the other hand, do shipgirls really die, or they simply returned to wherever they come from? I guess destroying their spirit could destroy them permanently, but 'ships don't die' seems to contradict that. I'm not saying that either ship will return in this fic, just that they, at least, will remember. And, assumably, so will the ancient gods of the seas.
Harry Leferts said:
I'll be frank... I'm not really feeling it in all honesty. It's less sadness that Maya and Sendai died and more annoyance in regards to it as outside of Sendai to a small extent, it was only just before this happened that they really had any real role in the fic. Then you got all the death flags right off the bat as well as the idiot balls in fic of sending nothing but a Heavy Cruiser and a Light Cruiser out to escort a convoy to Hawaii when every other time we've seen a convoy it had a bunch of shipgirls, especially heavy ones, as well as no possible way for help to get to them. In fact, like someone stated it comes across as almost GRR-lite in that it's to stir up drama and shout "SEE! SEE! PEOPLE DIE IN THIS!".
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I would guess it's a small convoy. Possibly not a food convoy, which absolutely NEEDS to reach Japan, but other, less important goods. I believe Maya made a comment about carting in people's luxuries on previous occasions? Critical shipments are pretty much all this fic has dealt with, up until now. Those tend to have more firepower behind them. But a minor civilian convoy wouldn't be considered worth a heavy escort.
 
Well, I suppose it's more accurate to say that I've got three carriers, with the slight possibility of one or two more if things go well enough for the Commonwealth. 'course, Furious, Formidable and Vicky aren't going to be in the Pacific...like...ever. Vicky may end up with Sara though.

Even if I did add more Brit carriers, they'd not have much in the way of aircraft. No more than an American light carrier.
 
Skywalker_T-65 said:
Murakumo, at the least, was with them. So there was/were destroyer(s). Carriers would probably have helped, yes.

Too bad I've only got the three. Unless I decide to give Aussieland, Melbourne or something. Though that would require sinking something without nearly getting Nyanbote sunk as well.
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Yeah, went back and you're right there was a tiny amount of Destroyers. Still doesn't help considering every other convoy had Battleships and such.
Nixeu said:
I would guess it's a small convoy. Possibly not a food convoy, which absolutely NEEDS to reach Japan, but other, less important goods. I believe Maya made a comment about carting in people's luxuries on previous occasions? Critical shipments are pretty much all this fic has dealt with, up until now. Those tend to have more firepower behind them. But a minor civilian convoy wouldn't be considered worth a heavy escort.
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You do not send people's luxuries, especially in regards to a small population of people (seriously, how many people are living on Hawaii? There's less then 1.5 million and I would assume that a large number left for the mainland) via convoy when you can fly it in. It comes across as drama for drama's sake.
 
'tago will need 25-8 'laska/Cameron cuddles for this. Jintsu will mourn, of course, but will probably go Dark Side on the next Abyssal she sees. Minion will provide a sturdy shoulder for Naka to cry on.
 
Harry Leferts said:
In fact, like someone stated it comes across as almost GRR-lite in that it's to stir up drama and shout "SEE! SEE! PEOPLE DIE IN THIS!".
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I think that was probably me. It doesn't help that for a long time I've only watched the thread for the Old Iron updates. If Maya and Sendai had been more present than a couple of lines back in one of the beginning updates and the update where she visits Atago, I might be able to see this as more than just a "insert drama and sadfeels". As it is, their loss seems like nothing more than a plot device to get the reader to find something likeable about New Jersey. (See? See? Jersey has depth. Look at her rage stomp Abyssmarck and get revenge for Sendai and May.)
 
ijnfleetadmiral said:
'tago will need 25-8 'laska/Cameron cuddles for this. Jintsu will mourn, of course, but will probably go Dark Side on the next Abyssal she sees. Minion will provide a sturdy shoulder for Naka to cry on.
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I imagine Jintsu going tranquil furry, casually dropping either Tosa's or Bismarck's head on Richardson's desk in the near future without so much as a smile or glare.
 
Alright, I'm gonna say something and y'all are not gonna like me for this.

Maya, Sendai, and the escorts should have ditched.

This is, to be blunt, a three-part explanation. Part one is simple- much like Ye Olde WWII days, convoys are infinetly more replaceable than main line of battle surface combatants. You can loose a convoy of ships, more will be in the pipe. As a point of order, by Month Three of any large scale conflict with a strong power there should be orders for at least several dozen transports for the US Merchant Marine in order to handle expanding logistics needs and replace losses.

Part two is that convoy screens aren't meant to fight battleships. Battleship raiders, to be blunt, are a nonitem because they're too expensive for the stated goal. The only reason the Nazis ever invested in them was because it gave them a narrow fig-leaf for the brazen need to wag their guns over the Baltics. Convoy screens exist to stop protected cruisers, submarines, random flights of Griefs, and bullshit destroyer squadrons charging from the mist. That's it. With everything else, the knowledge it is there is more valuable, because the merchants sure as hell aren't getting away from an angry battleship.

Finally, part three, see part one and multiply it by a thousand because kanmusu are irreplaceable you fucktarded Japanese treaty dodges. Let me state it again- they are a finite resource. Jumping on a battleship squadron is a waste on every level of strategic arithmetic to exist in this situation it's not even funny. This should have been covered in at least a dozen briefings. Entire presentations spent on "COME HOME." "DON'T DIE" "SUICIDE IS FOR MARINES" Christ.
 
Rampantfury said:
On a scale of ten, how royally pissed off is Richardson gonna be?
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Richardson... He'll be harder to pin down. He's likely to be furious on account of what this will do to Jintsuu.
landcollector said:
Maybe a non-numerical rating.
Like Angry SecNav level.
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But yes, more than likely this.
ijnfleetadmiral said:
'tago will need 25-8 'laska/Cameron cuddles for this. Jintsu will mourn, of course, but will probably go Dark Side on the next Abyssal she sees. Minion will provide a sturdy shoulder for Naka to cry on.
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The cuddles will definitely be a must. This will hit Atago pretty hard I wager. Jintsuu as well. She might be the "sanest", but she is also probably one of the more dangerous on a personal level.

And, well, Minion was able to haul around that camera rig...
Spectre said:
I imagine Jintsu going tranquil furry, casually dropping either Tosa's or Bismarck's head on Richardson's desk in the near future without so much as a smile or glare.
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...I can't unsee that.
 
7734 said:
Alright, I'm gonna say something and y'all are not gonna like me for this.

Maya, Sendai, and the escorts should have ditched.

This is, to be blunt, a three-part explanation. Part one is simple- much like Ye Olde WWII days, convoys are infinetly more replaceable than main line of battle surface combatants. You can loose a convoy of ships, more will be in the pipe. As a point of order, by Month Three of any large scale conflict with a strong power there should be orders for at least several dozen transports for the US Merchant Marine in order to handle expanding logistics needs and replace losses.

Part two is that convoy screens aren't meant to fight battleships. Battleship raiders, to be blunt, are a nonitem because they're too expensive for the stated goal. The only reason the Nazis ever invested in them was because it gave them a narrow fig-leaf for the brazen need to wag their guns over the Baltics. Convoy screens exist to stop protected cruisers, submarines, random flights of Griefs, and bullshit destroyer squadrons charging from the mist. That's it. With everything else, the knowledge it is there is more valuable, because the merchants sure as hell aren't getting away from an angry battleship.

Finally, part three, see part one and multiply it by a thousand because kanmusu are irreplaceable you fucktarded Japanese treaty dodges. Let me state it again- they are a finite resource. Jumping on a battleship squadron is a waste on every level of strategic arithmetic to exist in this situation it's not even funny. This should have been covered in at least a dozen briefings. Entire presentations spent on "COME HOME." "DON'T DIE" "SUICIDE IS FOR MARINES" Christ.
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Sounds about right to me...
 
7734 said:
Alright, I'm gonna say something and y'all are not gonna like me for this.

Maya, Sendai, and the escorts should have ditched.

This is, to be blunt, a three-part explanation. Part one is simple- much like Ye Olde WWII days, convoys are infinetly more replaceable than main line of battle surface combatants. You can loose a convoy of ships, more will be in the pipe. As a point of order, by Month Three of any large scale conflict with a strong power there should be orders for at least several dozen transports for the US Merchant Marine in order to handle expanding logistics needs and replace losses.

Part two is that convoy screens aren't meant to fight battleships. Battleship raiders, to be blunt, are a nonitem because they're too expensive for the stated goal. The only reason the Nazis ever invested in them was because it gave them a narrow fig-leaf for the brazen need to wag their guns over the Baltics. Convoy screens exist to stop protected cruisers, submarines, random flights of Griefs, and bullshit destroyer squadrons charging from the mist. That's it. With everything else, the knowledge it is there is more valuable, because the merchants sure as hell aren't getting away from an angry battleship.

Finally, part three, see part one and multiply it by a thousand because kanmusu are irreplaceable you fucktarded Japanese treaty dodges. Let me state it again- they are a finite resource. Jumping on a battleship squadron is a waste on every level of strategic arithmetic to exist in this situation it's not even funny. This should have been covered in at least a dozen briefings. Entire presentations spent on "COME HOME." "DON'T DIE" "SUICIDE IS FOR MARINES" Christ.
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This. So much this...
 
And here I expected some controversy over writing "These characters lived and died by their own stupidity" :V
 
*Abyssmarck and Abysstwins get sunk*
*Trio meet Maya and Sendai in the afterlife and are horrified by what they did*
*Bismarck feels herself being summoned and - wanting to make up for what she and the Twins did - grab onto Sendai and Maya*
*Germans stare at their summoning pool in horror; three Nazi battleships...plus what appear to be two tagalongs?*
MAYA: How the fuck did we get to Germany?!
SENDAI: *Dazedly* Yasen?
:D

While I am depressed that the pair didn't make it, we can take solace in that at least it wasn't DesDiv 6 that bought the farm. I think there would be blood - both in fic and on forum - if that happened. DesDiv 6 moeblobs are for cuteness and cuddles and must always survive their battles.
 
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