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Skywalker_T-65 said:
The last death we had was Wisky.
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True, but Wisky's 'death' had a couple silver linings to it:

1) She was a steel hull, not a ship, so while yes, her loss was indeed sad, she wasn't really a character whose death we could shed tears over.
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2) Now that her steel hull is sunk, she can come back as a shipgirl. (Which, I pray she does to save Maya and Sendai. Perhaps she could rip the German Abyssals apart and say, "If you come back in spirit, tell that submarine bitch she's next.")
 
Dirtnap said:
I think you said Maya was non-treaty compliant in the update, I missed that earlier but she was laid down after Japan had withdrawn from the WNT. She wasn't designed to game the system like the Mogami class.
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It was Yamato that was treaty compliant, in that there wasn't a treaty anymore when she was laid down. Maya OTOH was laid down in 1928. She was a Washington Treaty cruiser but not treaty compliant.

Though how much of this was intended by the Navy is uncertain. The admirals kept demanding more and more from the designers and yards on treaty tonnage so something had to give, and the yards figured it was better to built the ships too heavy then to tell the admirals 'no'.

This lead to such accidents as capsizing torpedo boats, or storms doing so much damage because the hulls were too lightly constructed that entire classes were razed and ballasted to fix it.
 
Can I just say that I am amazed that the USN does not have the entire convoy route to Hawaii and back filled with surveillance aircraft that should have caught the Abyssals?
 
ijnfleetadmiral said:
2) Now that her steel hull is sunk, she can come back as a shipgirl. (Which, I pray she does to save Maya and Sendai. Perhaps she could rip the German Abyssals apart and say, "If you come back in spirit, tell that submarine bitch she's next.")
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Her reappearance in this fic as a shipgirl, at least anytime in the foreseeable future, is highly remote imo. Counting on her to save Maya and Sendai is a mistaken hope.
 
Harry Leferts said:
There were surveillance aircraft during WWII that sought out and hunted enemy warships you know. And they were highly effective.
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Most current US recon aircraft use radar, which has been shown to be less than optimal for spotting the Abyssals. Also, the recon planes can't be everywhere, so Abyssmark could slip through the gaps.
 
Part of me wonders if JMPer is trying to set up the possibility of re-summoning a shipgirl that's been sunk but to do that, he needs someone dead. Though, that doesn't seem his style.
 
Darth Herobrine said:
Most current US recon aircraft use radar, which has been shown to be less than optimal for spotting the Abyssals. Also, the recon planes can't be everywhere, so Abyssmark could slip through the gaps.
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plenty of recon craft in ww2 used radar too.

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The PV-1 Ventura, built by the Vega Aircraft Company division of Lockheed (hence the "V" Navy manufacturer's letter that later replaced the "O" for Lockheed), was a version of the Ventura built for the U.S. Navy (see Venturas in U.S. Navy service below). The main differences between the PV-1 and the B-34 were the inclusion of special equipment in the PV-1, adapting it to its patrol bombing role. The maximum fuel capacity of the PV-1 was increased from 1,345 gal (5,081 l) to 1,607 gal (6,082 l), to increase its range; the forward defensive armament was also reduced for this reason. The most important addition was of an ASD-1 search radar.

The PV-1 began to be delivered in December 1942, and entered service in February 1943. The first squadron in combat was VP-135, deployed in the Aleutian Islands in April 1943. They were operated by three other squadrons in this theatre. From the Aleutians, they flew strikes against bases in Paramushiro and Shimushu, Japanese islands in the Kurile chain. Often, PV-1s would lead B-24 bomber formations, since they were equipped with radar. In late 1943, some PV-1s were deployed to the Solomon Islands as night fighters with VMF(N)-531, a Marine Corps fighter squadron.

B-24s were also used by the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps for ASW, anti-ship patrol, and photographic reconnaissance in the Pacific Theater, and by the U.S. Coast Guard for patrol and SAR. Naval B-24s were redesignated PB4Y-1, meaning the fourth patrol bomber design built by Consolidated Aircraft. Navy PB4Y-1s assigned to Atlantic ASW and all Coast Guard PB4Y-1s had the ventral turret replaced by a retractable radome. Also, most naval aircraft had an Erco ball turret installed in the nose position, replacing the glass nose and other styles of turret.
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That's just a couple. You also had recon variants of the hellcat that carried radar instead of external stores.
 
Oh hey. I was rewatching The Iron Giant. (Don't look that up, destroyers. Plz no) And during the Giant's rampage, I noticed the battleship has the number 51 on her fore.

It's 51. I promise.
And that makes her the third ship of the aborted South Dakota class, laid down in 1920, but cancelled by the WNT.
 
Ben Sellers said:
Yeah. If we get another shipgirl here it won't be Wiskey. Have we lost any shipgirls before now? I don't think so-the worst I remember was Heermann after the battle with Hoppo.
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You're right...Heermann and Hiei were the closest we've come to losses. I'm hoping for a similar scenario here...both Sendai and Maya grievously injured; Abyssmarck and Abysstwins think they've been sunk so they turn their attention to the convoy and obliterate it, then slip away, allowing Maya and Sendai to be found by Missouri and crew some time later, barely clinging to life.

In any event, this will trigger Atago needing massive 'laska cuddles once she hears about it.
 
Harry Leferts said:
Can I just say that I am amazed that the USN does not have the entire convoy route to Hawaii and back filled with surveillance aircraft that should have caught the Abyssals?
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Wear and tear on airframes.

There's only so many MPAs the USN has, and you can't keep them flying all the time, and since they can't be air refueled there's only so far you can push out Orions, and the further you push them out, the less loiter time they have.
 
Whiskey Golf said:
Wear and tear on airframes.

There's only so many MPAs the USN has, and you can't keep them flying all the time, and since they can't be air refueled there's only so far you can push out Orions, and the further you push them out, the less loiter time they have.
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theJMPer said:
And there's other places that need to be covered, too.
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That's assuming that they have not started to supplement them with other aircraft though. For example, you got the Textron Scorpion which can also perform ISR duties which might be shoved out quick, and other smaller planes for close in work to help ease the burden some.
 
Harry Leferts said:
That's assuming that they have not started to supplement them with other aircraft though. For example, you got the Textron Scorpion which can also perform ISR duties which might be shoved out quick, and other smaller planes for close in work to help ease the burden some.
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The Scorpion doesn't have the range or sensors for maritime patrol. Don't get me wrong it's a wonderful COIN aircraft, but COIN ISR isnt the same thing as maritime surveillance.

Let's not forget that they're pretty far out from hawaii. As you increase your radius, the area you need to cover increases as well.

It's unfortunate belabatt isn taking place 10-15 years later. Then we'd have the Navy spamming MQ-4C Tritons, who thanks to their long range could theoretically cover the route between san diego and hawaii.
 
Whiskey Golf said:
The Scorpion doesn't have the range or sensors for maritime patrol. Don't get me wrong it's a wonderful COIN aircraft, but COIN ISR isnt the same thing as maritime surveillance.

Let's not forget that they're pretty far out from hawaii. As you increase your radius, the area you need to cover increases as well.

It's unfortunate belabatt isn taking place 10-15 years later. Then we'd have the Navy spamming MQ-4C Tritons, who thanks to their long range could theoretically cover the route between san diego and hawaii.
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To be honest, you would still think that said convoy was being overflown by aircraft to provide some cover.
 
Harry Leferts said:
To be honest, you would still think that said convoy was being overflown by aircraft to provide some cover.
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too many holes to plug in the dyke, harry. It's not the only convoy in the water right now. And as at the beginning of WW2, USN search capabilities in the Pacific right now are basically whatever is at Pearl and SD/LA area. It's a pretty big stretch of ocean from the Canal (last Maya was seen she was with Atago down in Texas) to Hawaii.

it is a massive area.
 
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Burning Baron said:
Oh hey. I was rewatching The Iron Giant. (Don't look that up, destroyers. Plz no) And during the Giant's rampage, I noticed the battleship has the number 51 on her fore.

It's 51. I promise.
And that makes her the third ship of the aborted South Dakota class, laid down in 1920, but cancelled by the WNT.
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There's also a later scene, where the Iron Giants chest cannon narrowly misses a battleship whose silhouette looks like an Iowas (artistic liberties aside). After some research, it turns out Wisconsin was the only Iowa still in service (or at least still out and about) at the time of the movie (sometime shortly after the Sputnik I launch).


So, Jersey (@theJMPer ), did Wisky ever tell you anything about meeting the Iron Giant?
 
Star_Trekker said:
There's also a later scene, where the Iron Giants chest cannon narrowly misses a battleship whose silhouette looks like an Iowas (artistic liberties aside). After some research, it turns out Wisconsin was the only Iowa still in service (or at least still out and about) at the time of the movie (sometime shortly after the Sputnik I launch).


So, Jersey (@theJMPer ), did Wisky ever tell you anything about meeting the Iron Giant?
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Looks more like a cruiser.
 
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