NothingNow
Corpse Wrangler
- Location
- Tampa
Because 24,000 tons displacement and 2x the armaments of the three next largest surface combatants.
Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]
- Thread starter theJMPer
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Harry Leferts
Suave Shadow Cabal Kaiju
But the only question is... can it conquer Pennsylvania and her anger?
*Ignores the angry Dreadnought slowly sliding beneath the Kotatsu*
Kotatsu bests everything, it has no match.
- Location
- Russia, Moskow
So how come that Kongou is BB while larger and heavier Hood with bigger guns is BC huh?
Gearhead
Who, me?
Because the people who came up with designations on classes back then liked to cheat.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Because after the refit, the Kongous could go over 30 knots and the IJN was being generous about the armor.
- Location
- People's Republik of Kalifornia
Here's where the research fails on the non-ship side for BelBat annoy me.
The B-52H is not 1960s vintage. The *airframe* is 1960s, but they've regularly been gutted and upgraded from the ground up- most recently in 2013. They're specially-prepped advanced front line aircraft with very good bombs, attacking a *stationary* target the size of an Airfield.
The direct 1945 equivalent is Silverplate B-29s dropping pumpkin bombs at 30,000ft with Norden bombsights- very effective.
B-1s glide bombing shouldn't be effective because in 1945, a land based bomber glide-bombing a moving ship was asking to get chewed and generally not hit anything.
I know it serves the narrative, but it's anything but consistent.
Harry Leferts
Suave Shadow Cabal Kaiju
Just remember that when you head for the kotatsu...
To look out for hungry wolves.
CompassJimbo
Where’s Your North?
- Location
- The former Rubber Capital of the World
>_>Just remember that when you head for the kotatsu...
To look out for hungry wolves.
<_<
*Saves*
Old Iron
Admiral Unfun
- Location
- The Southwestern Deadlands of America
...That edit is way too perfect. XDJust remember that when you head for the kotatsu...
To look out for hungry wolves.
- Location
- Sunny SoCal
The B-1s were not glide bombing; rather, they were skip bombing.
In the story, JM writes that the B-1s are, " All she knew was the sleek black bombers howling so low their engines seemed to kiss the surf were the most beautiful things she'd ever seen." This is not a bombing run at 2-3k feet, this is sticking-your-feet-out-the-side-and-getting-your-toes-wet skip bombing made famous in the Pacific by the b-25 and other fast medium bombers like it. This type of bombing played absolute hell with IJN convoys for example, during the Battle of the Bismark Sea
While IJN transports are a far cry from an abyssal fleet, in the atomic prince incident in the Yellow Rose chapter, it was just Atomic Princess all by her lonesome. Furthermore, she was distracted, wounded, and based on a never completed BC designed back when planes were considered not to be a threat to ships, so in theory here AA capabilities should be lacking. All this made her easy-ish pray to B-1s employing a highly effective WW2 strategy.
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- Location
- 'Murica
Ahem...
Archie: There are eating fishies, and then there are looking fishies!
Because it is. It's a capital ship armed with capital-ship grade weapons that can reliably murderize anything else afloat, but it lacks the armor to resist a through pounding by its own weapons. It's a battlecruiser.
They B-52s did get quite good accuracy... By WWII standards when "Inside the same zip-code" was considered accurate. The Norden Bombsight only guaranteed pinpoint hints if there was good wind conditions (which given the choppy, stormy weather off the Bering sea, wasn't gonna happen.) Getting just one bomb on target from that altitude was better than could be expected.
And the B-1's, as stated elsewhere, were skip-bombing. They're also low-altitude high-speed penetration bombers, so they map to something closer to a Mosquito or B-25 than a lumbering B-52.
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
- Location
- In here, not out there.
Hey, when they tested the Norden, it could hit the bottom of the pickle barrel. In Arizona. Where there's nothing in the sky 340 days a year.
Old Iron
Admiral Unfun
- Location
- The Southwestern Deadlands of America
Archie becomes more and more adorable each time she shows up.
And the rest of the year, we have monsoons that tear roofs off of houses.
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
- Location
- In here, not out there.
Hey, when I was living in Phoenix last year, there was about a week of actual winter temperatures. You could even see the snowline. Then it cleared off, and stayed that way until April, when I moved back to NM.
Old Iron
Admiral Unfun
- Location
- The Southwestern Deadlands of America
Okay, we get maybe a week or so of winter.
Burning Baron
This position needs more entrenching.
- Location
- In here, not out there.
Anyway, the Norden was 'accurate enough to hit a pickle barrel from 25,000 feet.' Unfortunately, there's clouds in Europe. Now 'you cloud hit within a square mile of the barrel.'
Harry Leferts
Suave Shadow Cabal Kaiju
Lucky, I live in Nova Scotia.Okay, we get maybe a week or so of winter.
Sometimes we get all four seasons in a single freaking day.
Skywalker_T-65
Writer with too many ideas.
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- Plural/They/He/Her
*an Anglo-American battlecruiser
*pouting Seydlitz intensifies*
For actual content, and crossposting from SB:
Evidently her sea trials.
Do we even have a picture of either of the sisters shooting other than this?
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
There's one I could find, and the forecastle seems to fit.
It helps that she speaks wisdom on this subject as well.
- Location
- State of Denial
Archie: *holds up goldfish from Akihabara* looking fishie.
To give an idea of just HOW major a project it would be, consider that Project AZORIAN was a CIA operation in the mid-70s to recover, primarily, the nuclear weapons aboard the sunken Soviet missile submarine K-129. It cost billions of dollars, required a year of searching with a special-missions submarine modified specifically for seabed search, construction of two special ships and a specialized piece of recovery equipment under the cover story of being a Howard Hughes project to mine manganese nodules from the ocean floor, and took two or three years to complete... and, at least according to the official story, it was largely a failure when the recovery claw broke and most of the submarine, including the missile compartment, fell back to the bottom. (The veracity of that part of the story is questionable, but irrelevant to what a massive project it was.) Any project to recover nuclear weapons from other sunken sites would be similarly difficult; as proven in the 1966 crash of a nuclear-armed B-52G off Palomares, Spain, nuclear-armed nations would go to great lengths to recover any lost nuclear weapon that seemed to have even a slight chance of being feasible to recover, so the "easy" ones have already been recovered. The remaining ones are all either under at least 9800 feet of water or even deeper than that; buried so deep in mud that we haven't been able to precisely locate them, much less recover them; or completely bloody missing to the point where nobody knows where they went. (There have been some other such incidents that I didn't link, but again, if the weapons were at all retrievable, they were retrieved by one side or another.)
I would expect they would have similar performance to the ASM-N-2 Bat or LBD Gargoyle anti-ship missiles; both are rough equivalents (albeit air-launched) that were in service or live-fire testing by the end of WW2.
Well, not the SOLE remaining ones. If the industrial effort to reactivate Showboat, Mamie, and Bama ever bears fruit, they'd also get to cheat; Salem, Little Rock, and all the surviving Fletchers would presumably also get to cheat if reactivated. (Yes, the Des Moines class didn't enter service until after the war, but they would have been in service in time for the Invasion of Japan, had the war not ended when it did, so I figure that they get to count as "1945" ships.) Also, Mikasa and Texas would like to have a word with you... :lol
Not so accidentally--JMPer said that part of the reason Bones were used for the attack on Atomic Princess was that their crews were about the only four-engined bomber crews crazy enough to try supersonic dive bombing in such a big bird.
When Chernobyl's Reactor #4 suffered its catastrophic accident in 1986, it's now known that there was a prompt criticality runaway reaction in part of the core, similar to a fizzled nuclear weapon, with an explosive yield of about ten tons (no, not kilotons); given the design of the RBMK reactor in the accident (as compared to other nuclear reactors), this is a close upper bound on the maximum nuclear yield possible from a worst-case scenario with a nuclear reactor.
Mushroom clouds are not limited to large explosions. Any explosion that results in a bubble of hot gas rising and cooling will form a fine mushroom cloud. I've seen a fire department demonstration of extinguishing a diesel fuel fire where the ignition of about a gallon of diesel generated a mushroom cloud about fifty feet high. I've also accidentally caused a quite lovely three-foot-high mushroom cloud when I spilled some alcohol into a bunsen burner in a chemistry lab.
As for the NATO classification, not only is "Kirov" the familiar name for the class in Western circles, wasn't it also the original name of the first ship of the class? By US Navy standards, that would mean that the class would be referred to as the "Kirov class," even if the ship was renamed later.