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Agreed.

Spectre said:
you mean the other PH battleship to lose a sister and who effectively got blue balled even worse then Pennsy when it came to revenge...
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[sighs]

Look, it would be downright bad art if literally every single one of the Pearl Harbor survivors is this shellshocked crazed survivor.

Having Arizona come back from her death at Pearl Harbor hypervigilant, desperate to prove herself, but lacking combat experience, was a really great artistic call.

Having Pennsylvania come back as this half-berserk battler who, after Pearl Harbor, has had everything but war burned out of her, who is no longer capable of conceiving of ceasing to fight, was also a great artistic call.

If we started seeing more Standards, I would very much like to have some Pearl survivors who are not entirely defined by their Pearl Harbor experience. Otherwise they'd just all be variations on the same basic theme, and that would become sad and dull.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Agreed.

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Look, it would be downright bad art if literally every single one of the Pearl Harbor survivors is this shellshocked crazed survivor.

Having Arizona come back from her death at Pearl Harbor hypervigilant, desperate to prove herself, but lacking combat experience, was a really great artistic call.

Having Pennsylvania come back as this half-berserk battler who, after Pearl Harbor, has had everything but war burned out of her, who is no longer capable of conceiving of ceasing to fight, was also a great artistic call.

If we started seeing more Standards, I would very much like to have some Pearl survivors who are not entirely defined by their Pearl Harbor experience. Otherwise they'd just all be variations on the same basic theme, and that would become sad and dull.
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except you picked the one battleship that would have every reason to be just as bad if not worse off than Pennsylvania. If you want a stabile PH vet, I'd go with either Tennessee, Maryland, or Wee vee.
 
Honestly part of it is because I'd like to see a sense that the Standards have a history from before Pearl Harbor. Those ships were pretty much the entire US line of battle for roughly twenty years. They'd have history together, interrelationships, personalities that didn't just evaporate into IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE 1940S THERE IS ONLY WAR.

Just going by "well, the ships that suffered the greatest trauma will be the craziest" is doing the girls a disservice. Remember that virtually every major Japanese warship sank in combat, sometimes getting blown in half or otherwise utterly wrecked. That didn't turn them all into basket cases, or at least not the same kind of basket case that Pennsylvania is and Arizona used to be.

So I'm pushing, here, for the idea of ships who did suffer traumas, Pearl Harbor being a great example, but are not defined by it. Not just because they got off lightly during the Pearl Harbor attack or whatever, but because that's not who they are.
 
Here's the thing. You think that being touched by the reaper is the most traumatic thing that can happen to you? It's not, in fact it's bliss compared to seeing his work up close day in and day out. There's a reason jobs that require workers to regularly experience traumatic incidents have high burn out, turnover, and suicide rates and often have dedicated support and psychiatric help for said workers. it's because is not natural for the human psyche to experience these things. It is not human nature to simply shrug off watching your friend get blown in two mere feet from you, to listen to your sisters dying words and go back to acting like nothing happened, to have to pass her dead body every time you enter port and feel nothing at all. in fact doing so puts you in the same psychological group as the likes of Manson.
 
Once upon a time, they called that a 'Section Eight.' Now, I'm not sure, since the phrase was phased out.
 
Long term combat tours do indeed just... grind away at your equilibrium. My first couple Iraq tours, I needed pretty much regular calls home to LilithPrime to keep going. Two weeks without hearing from her has a noticeable negative affect. So the ships that had to go through the most intense combat might be distinctly more unhappy than the ones that just got hit on one bad day. Ships that took a lot of hits from torpedoes or kamikazes might be noticeably twitchy around subs or carriers, for example.
 
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    (Is crying like a bitch, and sheding manly tears.)

    The feels! I cried a little, nice jobu Iron! *thumbsup*

    Have an Omake!

    BLOOPERS (BELATED BATTLESHIP)

    Chapter 1

    SCENE 1, TAKE 1, ACTION!

    -Jersey's first appearance (Shipgirl style)-

    A girl -a young woman really, she looked barely too old to be one of his students- Lounged against the riverside railing. Even hunched over with her forearms resting on the silver wood, she towered over him.
    Her shorts- very short shorts stuffed until the navy- blue fabric was pulled taut- did nothing to hide the long, thick-thighed legs of a cross-country runner. How she wasn't freezing with so much of that pale skin on display was beyond him. Maybe even-tighter red undershorts helped? They looked like the kind of material he'd seen athlete's wear.

    "I'm not." She said.

    "Then, uh," Crowning locked eyes with the girl. Or at least tried too, her mirrored aviators showed only his ragged reflection.

    "What exactly are you doing?"

    "Honestly?" the girl shrugged, her close-fitting puffer vest spreading around her bust line. Crowning wouldn't have called her top-heavy, especially with hips like hers, but she definitely had enough to fill her shirt. But if she caught his errant glance, she didn't show it."Just started running and….well, I wanted to make sure you're okay."

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing. There was a cling like sound and the next thing the crew know, Jersey met the water with a splash, the railing destroyed.

    "CUT!" the director shouted. "Jersey that railing is reinforced steel! How did you break it?" Jersey broke out of the water.

    "I'm not heavy!"

    "I didn't say that."

    "FUCK YOU!" Jersey bellowed giving the director the finger. After blow drying Jersey, and fixing the railing they were back to shooting.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 2, ACTION!

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing, -The crew breathed a sigh when it didn't break- as she stared at the city sky line, - the camera moved upwards- and saw Akron and Macon playing tag.
    Jersey's hand met her face, with Crowning doing the same.

    "CUT!" the director shouted, again. "Bring those 2 down!" after a grueling 5 minutes of chasing after the 2 they were back to shooting.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 3, ACTION!

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing as she stared at the city sky line. -Free of aircrafts- Suddenly an 18' inch shell met her face, causing her to fall back on the railing, Jersey met -again- the water with a splash.

    "CUT!" the director growled, "MUSASHI!" he looks in the direction behind him.

    "I, Musashi, am innocent!" the girl said with her hands up, behind her were tip toeing fletchers, trying to make a sneaky get away. It didn't work.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 4, ACTION!

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing as she stared at the city sky line. -Her forehead sporting a kitty band aid courtesy of Wash. - Her strawberry- blond hair cascading out of the navy-blue baseball cap she wore backwards.

    "I was-" he didn't finish because there was a thud, a sound of a torpedo firing somewhere, and hits Jersey on the stomach causing her to fall and met the water -again- with a splash.

    "CUT!" the director was clutching his hair, his teeth gritted. "I'mokay!" was heard from somewhere.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 59, ACTION!

    They were nearly done, just a few more seconds of shooting and they were done!

    "Took you long enough," the girl smirked as she spun her hat around, letting Crowning read the proud golden embroidery above the bill, which was covered in pink glitters the words. 'Albie was here' written.

    The director was banging his head on the wall.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 60, ACTION!

    "Took you long enough," the girl smirked as she spun her hat around, letting Crowning read the proud golden embroidery above the bill. "USS New Jersey: BB-62."

    "You're-"

    "NAKEEDDDD!!" Borrie's shout broke through the place, "Dang it Borrie! NO!" Wash and Gale's voice joined in not a second later.

    The director has had enough; he stands up, took hold of the director's chair and proceeds to smack it on the ground, shouting profanities.

    "Fuck this, I'm going to McDonalds." Jersey said, having enough of the bullshit.
     
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    (Is crying like a bitch, and sheding manly tears.)

    The feels! I cried a little, nice jobu Iron! *thumbsup*

    Have an Omake!

    BLOOPERS (BELATED BATTLESHIP)

    Chapter 1

    SCENE 1, TAKE 1, ACTION!

    -Jersey's first appearance (Shipgirl style)-

    A girl -a young woman really, she looked barely too old to be one of his students- Lounged against the riverside railing. Even hunched over with her forearms resting on the silver wood, she towered over him.
    Her shorts- very short shorts stuffed until the navy- blue fabric was pulled taut- did nothing to hide the long, thick-thighed legs of a cross-country runner. How she wasn't freezing with so much of that pale skin on display was beyond him. Maybe even-tighter red undershorts helped? They looked like the kind of material he'd seen athlete's wear.

    "I'm not." She said.

    "Then, uh," Crowning locked eyes with the girl. Or at least tried too, her mirrored aviators showed only his ragged reflection.

    "What exactly are you doing?"

    "Honestly?" the girl shrugged, her close-fitting puffer vest spreading around her bust line. Crowning wouldn't have called her top-heavy, especially with hips like hers, but she definitely had enough to fill her shirt. But if she caught his errant glance, she didn't show it."Just started running and….well, I wanted to make sure you're okay."

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing. There was a cling like sound and the next thing the crew know, Jersey met the water with a splash, the railing destroyed.

    "CUT!" the director shouted. "Jersey that railing is reinforced steel! How did you break it?" Jersey broke out of the water.

    "I'm not heavy!"

    "I didn't say that."

    "FUCK YOU!" Jersey bellowed giving the director the finger. After blow drying Jersey, and fixing the railing they were back to shooting.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 2, ACTION!

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing, -The crew breathed a sigh when it didn't break- as she stared at the city sky line, - the camera moved upwards- and saw Akron and Macon playing tag.
    Jersey's hand met her face, with Crowning doing the same.

    "CUT!" the director shouted, again. "Bring those 2 down!" after a grueling 5 minutes of chasing after the 2 they were back to shooting.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 3, ACTION!

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing as she stared at the city sky line. -Free of aircrafts- Suddenly an 18' inch shell met her face, causing her to fall back on the railing, Jersey met -again- the water with a splash.

    "CUT!" the director growled, "MUSASHI!" he looks in the direction behind him.

    "I, Musashi, am innocent!" the girl said with her hands up, behind her were tip toeing fletchers, trying to make a sneaky get away. It didn't work.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 4, ACTION!

    Crowning turned back to the railing, staring at the once-great museum ship New Jersey. "Attack hit you pretty hard?"

    "You could say that," the girl spun the other way, resting her back against the railing as she stared at the city sky line. -Her forehead sporting a kitty band aid courtesy of Wash. - Her strawberry- blond hair cascading out of the navy-blue baseball cap she wore backwards.

    "I was-" he didn't finish because there was a thud, a sound of a torpedo firing somewhere, and hits Jersey on the stomach causing her to fall and met the water -again- with a splash.

    "CUT!" the director was clutching his hair, his teeth gritted. "I'mokay!" was heard from somewhere.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 59, ACTION!

    They were nearly done, just a few more seconds of shooting and they were done!

    "Took you long enough," the girl smirked as she spun her hat around, letting Crowning read the proud golden embroidery above the bill, which was covered in pink glitters the words. 'Albie was here' written.

    The director was banging his head on the wall.

    SCENE 1, TAKE 60, ACTION!

    "Took you long enough," the girl smirked as she spun her hat around, letting Crowning read the proud golden embroidery above the bill. "USS New Jersey: BB-62."

    "You're-"

    "NAKEEDDDD!!" Borrie's shout broke through the place, "Dang it Borrie! NO!" Wash and Gale's voice joined in not a second later.

    The director has had enough; he stands up, took hold of the director's chair and proceeds to smack it on the ground, shouting profanities.

    "Fuck this, I'm going to McDonalds." Jersey said, having enough of the bullshit.
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    I could have sworn you already posted this.
     
    Strypgia said:
    Long term combat tours do indeed just... grind away at your equilibrium. My first couple Iraq tours, I needed pretty much regular calls home to LilithPrime to keep going. Two weeks without hearing from her has a noticeable negative affect. So the ships that had to go through the most intense combat might be distinctly more unhappy than the ones that just got hit on one bad day. Ships that took a lot of hits from torpedoes or kamikazes might be noticeably twitchy around subs or carriers, for example.
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    That is distinctly well-reasoned. The flip side of this is that empirically, all shipgirls have been through a lot of combat in the World Wars, with a handful of exceptions like Mutsu. And that's before we even count the Abyssal War.

    And while most of them are on some level kind of crazy, they're not all characteristically shell-shocked. While combat fatigue certainly can affect them, it doesn't always affect them, or doesn't always affect them the same way it would a human being.

    Which may be, on some level, one of the most significant ways in which shipgirls are not human...

    And that ties back into my position that while it works marvelously having Pennsylvania specifically be this grim eternally-fighting soldier unable to ever stand down or rest or compromise, and while it works marvelously having Arizona specifically be hypervigiliant and secretly ashamed that she sat the war out... doing this with every Standard severely damaged or sunk at Pearl would be too much of a good thing.
     
    I am taking a great many notes about this discussion.

    And now that I have been able to pen those feelings, I feel comfortable getting back to my original task.

     
    I'm picturing Shinano having chibi-Yamato and Musashi as the equivalent of the classic "shoulder angel" and "shoulder devil."

    Shinano never, never, never listens to her Musashi side.
     
    Re: Characterization

    I trend to look at all of a ship's history, and then build off of that. While certain big events will most assuredly heavily influence the character, making it the end-all of the character isn't a good thing. Like...I dunno. The obvious example with me, Sara.

    Too often, entirely too often, I see her reduced to just Crossroads. Maybe with some of the 'oh, she missed everything man' stuff tossed in. This would be about the same as building a Standard's character entirely off Pearl and the results of it. If Sara is just nuke-bait and the ship that missed all the battles, it's ignoring everything else she did.

    In my case, I trend towards making her the mature teacherly type. Because her and Lex were the ones to build the American carrier arm (sorry Langley). Because they trained up pretty much every major carrier officer in the pre-war fleet. Because they were the ones to prove that carriers worked. Sara in particular still holds the record for most carrier landings, unless I'm seriously missing something. She's the teacher to the American carriers, the big Sister Sara to everyone.

    Furthermore, even in World War Two I still see this reinforcing this character. She's not the big name carrier in the big battles, no. What she is would be the quiet support in the background. The one who is there when Enterprise needs someone to talk to. The one who gave Vicky a much needed boost after her tour of duty in the Pacific. The one who helped the Brits in the Indian Ocean, to pay back Vicky helping her in the Solomons. And of course, she ended her career flat out as a training ship, with most her hangar outright rebuilt as classrooms.

    This is where I get my Teacher!Momboat!Sara character from.

    Does Crossroads weigh in for a post-War Sara? Yes. Does the fact she missed the major battles? Yes. But it should most assuredly not be the major facet of her character, in the same way that Pearl shouldn't be everything for the Standards there. Or that being sunk by Bismarck shouldn't be all of Hood's character.

    When a ship is in service for decades before or between a war, they should reflect that time in-character because the War is a relatively short time.

    Or, for another example (and a shorter one), Tiger.

    She's the one I see the most wrapped up in her wartime service. Because, well, she has nothing before WW1. Tiger wasn't fully commissioned and worked up until after the War started. So a lot of her character is going to, by default, be focused on her time in the Great War. Jutland and Dogger Bank, most notably. It's partially why she has the scars, since I still run on the assumption that a ship girl only shows scars if they become part of her. It's why Tiger or Ari have scars, when the similarly traumatic careers or deaths of Hiei and Mutsu don't see them with any scarring.

    Of course, Tiger's continued issues with her self-confidence come more from her time after WW1, what with her being reduced to secondary duty for basically the entire remainder of her career, only being in proper-service when Hood was in refits.

    Either way though, this is who I trend towards doing characterization myself.

    Also, have cutes:


    As per-SB, counter-clockwise:

    HMS Chaser, USS Bogue, Bismarck, Hood, Pringles, Tirpitz, Sara (dat plush tho), Lex.

    This continues to help my point that Sara is cutest battlecruiser-conversion :V
     
    So, I just got my sticker, and wondered, do Kanmusu get to vote? If so, I want to see that omake. 'Coming this November, for one day only. How will the Shipgirls get through? Election Day. Rated CLG for light cruiser guidance.'
     
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    I'm not saying that Nevada's personality will only be Pearl and later. She many very well be a tinkerer like Yubaari is in the anime on account of being the test bed for most if not all the advancements that made the standards the standards. On the same account she'll probably be something along the lines of a pseudo-momboat or big sis to all the standards given that she's set the standard (pun intended) for US Battleship development for the next 10-15 years. She will be a diehard Red Sox fan (her most famous accomplishment between the wars was introducing baseball to brazil and she's from Massachusetts), and will have a huge rivalry with Arizona (their crews tended to trade titles in athletic events during the 20's)

    But the scars from Pearl and the rest of the war will still be there. Remember Pennsy had the best support system she could ask for even if it's evident she didn't use it. She served with her remaining sisters as a member of the battle line. Her escorts were the survivors of the meat grinder that was the southeastern Pacific campaign. She had the chance to get payback even if she didn't take it.

    Nevada didn't get any of that. After she was repaired she spent a brief time in Alaska before being in effect banished to the Atlantic. There she had no one she could really turn to for support. I have no doubt the likes of the New Yorks and Wyomings tried to help, but they don't have the experience with death that she had to deal with this. Most of her escorts hadn't even been past the panama canal, much less fought a serious fight, and the only people she might be able to relate to are the brits , and contact with them will be sporadic at best. Yes she'll be the Flag ship for US forces on D-day, buts that more because she's the only real choice for it. And when she finally makes it to the rest of the gang at Okinawa will she join the line like a true standard? No. When Deyo goes hunting fro Yamato she'll be left behind with the pre-standards on account of being to vulnerable, even though she's identical to half the ships going in her place.

    I basically dislike the idea of taking the ship that got the shortest straw at pearl out of anyone not sunk there and sweeping it under the rug like nothing happened.
     
    Spectre said:
    I basically dislike the idea of taking the ship that got the shortest straw at pearl out of anyone not sunk there and sweeping it under the rug like nothing happened.
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    Not sunk? Bloody hell, Nevada got underway during Pearl Harbor, that has to account for something, and it would have a profound impact on her personality. She was the only Capital Ship to get moving, even if she didn't make it out of the harbor, she damn well gave it a bloody good try, another four or five miles and she would have made it, but after taking six bomb hits -although some sources think she took as many as ten- and a torpedo with 204 kilograms or roughly 450 pounds of HE (granted the torpedo did nothing more than cause leaks because it went into her torpedo belt), including one bomb near her magazine for her number one turret which was completely empty because when Pearl Harbor occurred, the Navy was in process of giving the Standards newer heavier shells that had better penetration but less range, she was forced to run aground at Hospital Point.

    As it stands, Nevada would be a very nasty surprise for that Abyssal Battleship that's harrassing convoys in the Atlantic, which is part of the reason she was deployed to the Atlantic, to stop something like a Panzerschiff, a Scharnhorst, or godforbid Tripitz from cracking it open, my bet is that it's either a Scharnhorst or a Panzerschiff, but anything is possible, for all we know it could be a Orion class Superdreadnought. As it stands, Nevada would munch on a Panzerschiff or a Scharnhorst rather easily, but Bismarck class will give her eight kinds of grief. Not to mention, she does have a respectable amount of AA with her 1942 refit, sixteen 5in/38s, thirty-two 40mm Bofors Guns in quadruple mounts, and forty 20mm Orelinkons I mean she's no Iowa class, North Carolina class, or South Dakota class, but I still wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. Plus those ten lethal 14in/45 Caliber Naval Guns in the 2x2 and 2x3 arrangement. A hell of a threat against both surface and air targets.

    Still I want to see a member of the Atlanta class AA Cruiser show up. Mainly because well, all of those 5in/38s shooting HE can create a lot of a ship's worst enemy or 2nd worst enemy: fire -flames plus powder bags, voliate fuel, and aviation fuel stowages don't mix well-. Not to mention they have a larger 5in/38 broadside weight than an Iowa class. Plus they make planes go bye-bye real quick. As the first of the two videos in the posting will show, while I know that they are WOWS videos, it's the closest thing I could find to something that shows how effective an Atlanta could be, granted the Abyssals have already proven that: RIP 125th Fighter Wing Detachment One of the Florida Air National Guard.

    Skip to 7:55 in the first video itself, and well while it's an Atlanta slaughtering tier 4 aircraft in a World of Warship game, that is what they do to hearty planes, like FW-190s, Sea Hurricanes, and likely Beufighters.



    For the video below skip to timestamp 2:10 and then watch from their, although if you want to see something that in my opinion is rather amusing, first go to timestamp 0:13.




    The second video clip, well while it's funny, their is one segment where it shows how an Atlanta class can be a pain in the ass to a warship besides starting fires, it can and will tear the crap out of AA Gun emplacements, rangefinders, gun directors, semi-enclosed secondary gun mounts, plus rattling the cage of everyone onboard, a ship would likely be constantly shuddering from all of those impacts. Plus with all of those rapid-firing 5in/38s it's a destroyer's absolute worst nightmare. The real drawbacks that it has is it's not the most manueverable thing in the world, and well depending on which ship in the class it is, faulty torpedoes, granted it's an American Cruiser with torpedoes, only one other American Cruiser class had them, the Omahas.

    As for personality, well I have absolutely no clue how the Atlantas will be like, I can imagine that Atlanta will likely be jumpy as hell, particularly at night, simply because of the utter pounding that she took during 1st Naval Battle of Guadalcanal and the sheer chaos of that battle in particular. The same will probably go for Juneau as well, not to mention, she will probably want to gut I-26 though, for obvious reasons.
     
    Atlantas were not the best surface combatants in real life, actually. Though they were very good anti-aircraft platforms.
     
    Icywinter said:
    Atlantas were not the best surface combatants in real life, actually. Though they were very good anti-aircraft platforms.
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    Yeah, they were excellent AA Platforms, but in terms of Surface Warfare, unless they were hunting destroyers, they were pretty much useless in a surface action. The other classes of American Light Cruisers were so much better in a surface action, they had better armor and bigger guns with a respectable amount of secondary guns.
     
    So I was reading through the last chapter by @theJMPer and after a quick chat with my dad, turns out the object of Archie's daydream, Skipjack, was assigned to my dads sub tender, USS Fulton (which was at one time the longest serving non-Constitution ship in the USN, and picked up Yorktown survivors at Midway), in the late '70s, along with subs like Nautilus and Triton. He did quality assurance, making sure their reactors ran properly.

     
    Thorthemighty said:
    Yeah, they were excellent AA Platforms, but in terms of Surface Warfare, unless they were hunting destroyers, they were pretty much useless in a surface action. The other classes of American Light Cruisers were so much better in a surface action, they had better armor and bigger guns with a respectable amount of secondary guns.
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    I know that.

    What's your point?
     
    Thorthemighty said:
    Not sunk? Bloody hell, Nevada got underway during Pearl Harbor, that has to account for something, and it would have a profound impact on her personality. She was the only Capital Ship to get moving, even if she didn't make it out of the harbor, she damn well gave it a bloody good try, another four or five miles and she would have made it, but after taking six bomb hits -although some sources think she took as many as ten- and a torpedo with 204 kilograms or roughly 450 pounds of HE (granted the torpedo did nothing more than cause leaks because it went into her torpedo belt), including one bomb near her magazine for her number one turret which was completely empty because when Pearl Harbor occurred, the Navy was in process of giving the Standards newer heavier shells that had better penetration but less range, she was forced to run aground at Hospital Point.

    As it stands, Nevada would be a very nasty surprise for that Abyssal Battleship that's harrassing convoys in the Atlantic, which is part of the reason she was deployed to the Atlantic, to stop something like a Panzerschiff, a Scharnhorst, or godforbid Tripitz from cracking it open, my bet is that it's either a Scharnhorst or a Panzerschiff, but anything is possible, for all we know it could be a Orion class Superdreadnought. As it stands, Nevada would munch on a Panzerschiff or a Scharnhorst rather easily, but Bismarck class will give her eight kinds of grief. Not to mention, she does have a respectable amount of AA with her 1942 refit, sixteen 5in/38s, thirty-two 40mm Bofors Guns in quadruple mounts, and forty 20mm Orelinkons I mean she's no Iowa class, North Carolina class, or South Dakota class, but I still wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. Plus those ten lethal 14in/45 Caliber Naval Guns in the 2x2 and 2x3 arrangement. A hell of a threat against both surface and air targets.

    Still I want to see a member of the Atlanta class AA Cruiser show up. Mainly because well, all of those 5in/38s shooting HE can create a lot of a ship's worst enemy or 2nd worst enemy: fire -flames plus powder bags, voliate fuel, and aviation fuel stowages don't mix well-. Not to mention they have a larger 5in/38 broadside weight than an Iowa class. Plus they make planes go bye-bye real quick. As the first of the two videos in the posting will show, while I know that they are WOWS videos, it's the closest thing I could find to something that shows how effective an Atlanta could be, granted the Abyssals have already proven that: RIP 125th Fighter Wing Detachment One of the Florida Air National Guard.

    Skip to 7:55 in the first video itself, and well while it's an Atlanta slaughtering tier 4 aircraft in a World of Warship game, that is what they do to hearty planes, like FW-190s, Sea Hurricanes, and likely Beufighters.



    For the video below skip to timestamp 2:10 and then watch from their, although if you want to see something that in my opinion is rather amusing, first go to timestamp 0:13.




    The second video clip, well while it's funny, their is one segment where it shows how an Atlanta class can be a pain in the ass to a warship besides starting fires, it can and will tear the crap out of AA Gun emplacements, rangefinders, gun directors, semi-enclosed secondary gun mounts, plus rattling the cage of everyone onboard, a ship would likely be constantly shuddering from all of those impacts. Plus with all of those rapid-firing 5in/38s it's a destroyer's absolute worst nightmare. The real drawbacks that it has is it's not the most manueverable thing in the world, and well depending on which ship in the class it is, faulty torpedoes, granted it's an American Cruiser with torpedoes, only one other American Cruiser class had them, the Omahas.

    As for personality, well I have absolutely no clue how the Atlantas will be like, I can imagine that Atlanta will likely be jumpy as hell, particularly at night, simply because of the utter pounding that she took during 1st Naval Battle of Guadalcanal and the sheer chaos of that battle in particular. The same will probably go for Juneau as well, not to mention, she will probably want to gut I-26 though, for obvious reasons.
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    Thor, Atlantas are shit in surface combat, which is all this war has been, if you haven't noticed. We have Burkes if we really need air cover, anyways.
     
    Spectre said:
    I basically dislike the idea of taking the ship that got the shortest straw at pearl out of anyone not sunk there and sweeping it under the rug like nothing happened.
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    You make a fair point. I can see taking the character one of two ways.

    One is for her to be badly broken under the collective weight of trauma and frustration. Like Pennsylvania. Like Arizona used to be.

    The other is for her to be stubborn- to persist and push back against it. There is, inevitably, a vulnerable core under there- but she's the ship that just doesn't give up. Even when she doesn't have support, even when the world is massively cruel to her, she persists. To be "the only bright spot in an otherwise dismal and depressing morning." And she always finds a way to matter, somehow. Even if it's by coordinating the other battleships that didn't get picked to play on anyone's varsity teams. Even if it's only by getting underway and running herself aground, drawing fire off the other ships.

    I'd honestly rather see the second ship than the first. It'd be an interesting change of pace.
     
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