They weren't the hangars were untouched.
Belated Battleships (KanColle) [REHOST]
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Look at the air wing composition. As designed, excluding "special units", Shinano would have 21 Reppu fighters- the rest being torpedo or dive bombers.
She shot her wad.
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I asked this on SB but I figure doubling my sample size won't hurt: Did any WWII subs have rubber components on the outside of their hull? I need to know for an omake
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Thanks, that's good enough for me
@theJMPer are any of the I-400 subs back then? If not, I can use an abyssal but it will probably end up less amusing
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Woo, I'll try to get started on that at some point today or tomorrow
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Take a chill pill. Take several. Did I do anything to justify you cursing at me?
Also, did it occur to you to look up the answer to that question? Google 'warship uss camp'
It was a largely joking suggestion, as Camp has appeared only in my little side-adventure in Norfolk. But she did serve in the Philippine Navy (and the Vietnamese Navy). It affects her.
Nitpick: Abyssatoga does not outclass Texas in armor, but she does have roughly twice the gun range and half again the speed. Both ships will be able to score penetrating hits on the other if they can hit at all; Texas isn't armored against 16" gunfire except under very favorable circumstances, and Atomic Battlecruiser Princess is effectively not armored at all as far as battleship-caliber shells are concerned. But unless conditions are very favorable, Texas cannot force the 16"-armed battlecruiser to fight within her own gun range.
Because Northern Princess is so massive that it takes a very, very heavy bomb to even damage her. Antiship missiles hitting her sides would very likely not penetrate, especially since the USN doesn't use superheavy antiship missiles like, say, Russia does. Meanwhile, the B-52 could be modified to carry that class of bomb and modifications for visual bomb-sighting so that the bomb could hopefully hit Abyssal targets that normally laugh at other forms of guidance.
In addition to what TheJMPer said... We know that National Guard (and I think Navy) aircraft have already launched attacks against Atomic Battlecruiser Princess, but were shot down by her escorting AA cruisers.
Also, it is possible that the US strategic bomber force has suffered heavy attrition in the opening phase of the war, repelling attacks against the coast.
Well, Texas also has some of the other advantages of her refits- but sadly, her being in "Texas Kai Ni" form doesn't do much for her surface combat abilities, you're not entirely wrong about that.
Uh... no. The B-1 is not a stealth bomber in any normal sense. That is a B-2. Also, stealth probably does not work well against Abyssals because of the leveling effect. It could work; there were planes that were relatively hard to spot on radar in that era... but it would merely decrease maximum detection range a bit.
STRONG SUGGESTION: Thor, before you say ANYTHING on this thread involving a fact about military technology, specifically spend two minutes on Google and Wikipedia trying to determine whether that fact is actually true. If you can't find the relevant facts immediately, use five minutes. This will make you look much smarter and more respectable.
Damage to an arm for a carrier-girl is equivalent to losing the ability to launch planes at full effect (that is, damage to the carrier deck). Shinano may have been able to launch lightly loaded interceptor aircraft, but could she have handled heavier torpedo bombers and so on?
Personally I'd like to see a US carrier with a satchel full of baseballs to throw... because seriously that would be as American as momboat and apple pie.
About a 40% drop in detection range, tops? Maybe less.
Thing is, the U-boats are still around, and Wisconsin's ASW escorts are apparently in disarray. They're going to start shooting up ships near the Canal, and it's very unlikely we'll get them all.
Having Wisconsin sunk by U-boats is a straight-up tactical defeat for Team Dontgeteatenbyabyssals. No other way around it. It increases the risk that Atomic Battlecruiser Princess will go on a rampage in the Gulf after defeating all comers, and it does nothing to reduce the threat posed by the Abyssal wolfpack.
Leveling effect. The Abyssals' AA shells fly higher and faster than they have any right to, just as the B-52s that attacked Northern Princess encountered flak and fighter cover at altitudes that WWII guns and interceptors couldn't reach.
No no no, we don't get shipgirls for losing our tonnage, we get it for sinking their tonnage.
Translation: if we sink Atomic Battlecruiser Princess and her escorts, we can probably get Wiskey back! GOOO!
Oh, your problem is Asperger's? GREAT! Asperger's does not interfere with your ability to listen to facts. This is good news!
So here is a fact that you can take as 100% true and reliable and a good rule for all social interactions.
Never, ever explain a joke to someone, unless they ask a question about it and explicitly request the information.
If you follow this rule, people will like your jokes better. You will come closer to the desired result (amusing people with jokes), with less work. There is no downside whatsoever.
It is literally that simple.
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COngrats, i cannot unsee this image, we now have Pokemon CV.
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Ehh, Thor's right. Sort of. The B-1B isn't full on stealth but is considered a "low observable" platform ( stealth lite). However, ignoring the logistics- his suggestion of poorly Manueverable subsonic nighthawks against heavy optical AA? Yikes!
White already chucks wildcats from a Radio Flyer... I suppose it could be stepdad's prize possession, but it's probably just because of that lady's signature.
And to pre-empt Thor :
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It's sorta a mix of both. Sinking enemy tonnage counts for you, while getting your own ships damaged or sunk counts against you. To get really good drops (battleships/carriers/etc) you have to S-rank the mission.
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In that case, we probably don't get Whiskey back right away. This was not an S-rank outcome...
Whiskey Golf
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...but I've always been here....?
In that case, we probably don't get Whiskey back right away. This was not an S-rank outcome...
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Still wondering whose job it's going to be to tell Jersey that Whisky was killed in action against the Abyssals. I don't want to be that guy. Hopefully Jersey understands the phrase "Don't kill messenger." Still, hopefully this won't require Victory to get her out of her funk or rage that will ensue when she finds out. Praying that Musashi will be able to calm down Big J. It is a fair question, as to how Jersey will react. She will either go into a full on rage, absolutely destroying any and all Abyssals that wants to show it's ugly head or when they get back to base, Jersey will likely want to curl up in a corner and cry. However I have no clue. Still, you can't have me go tell her, no way man not happening.
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Shinano just got fucked up. Musashi ain't calming down.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THOR TELLING JERSEY, SAY 'AYE'!
AYE!
CompassJimbo
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HolyDragoon
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Aye.
Also, push Jersey against Musashi, might calm them long enough for them to go hunting Abyssals together.
Also, push Jersey against Musashi, might calm them long enough for them to go hunting Abyssals together.
Always Late
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Considering the other messes I've cleaned up for shipgirls, this won't even rate.
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Tactically yes, this is a S-rank victory for the Abyssals, pretty much a textbook run by subs against a battleship.
I was talking strategically however, yes Wisky's death hurts but she was there to protect the Canal (and the oil platforms by proximity) so if the Abyssal can't carry through against those two things then strategically this is a costly victory.
One thing to clarify is that strategically I consider this a defensive battle, our win condition is "take no infrastructure/resource base damage" with a secondary condition of "take no damage". Having lost Wisky hurts yes, but she's just another military unit (probably the most powerful in-theater admittedly) and infrastructure/resource base are the strategic targets here.
Jersey's fleet is off on offensive operations, she's the one where strategic victory is killing Abyssal's.
Well, in-universe anyway, our perspective as readers is different, this is Belated Battleships after all.
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The B-1B wasn't designed to dive bomb. From what I have read, the standard mission profile was to come in at low altitude going high subsonic which for the B-1B is Mach 0.92. It has a high altitude top speed of Mach 1.25 and a Radar Cross Section of 26 square feet, it was optimized for low-penetration missions like the F-111 Aardvark is, but it can carry way more payload than the Aardvark can, with three internal bomb bays carrying 75,000 pounds. At least I don't think the airframe of the B-1B can't handle dive-bombing. Still, too damn bad that at this point the B-1B can't carry Small Diameter Bombs, they can carry ninety-six of the damn things, each one has a decent amount of boom as well, slightly more than a Mark 82. Because, well, as Joseph Stalin once said "Quantity has a quality all it's own." and dropping ninety-six SDBs times three that is two hundred eighty-eight bombs all GPS guided, dropping that many bombs on target, even with Abyssal Spookiness involved you are certainly bound to get more than one or two hits, I would bet at least dozen. Simply because of pure saturation of the target area with bombs.
Then again I could be talking out of my ass here, but I did read Wikipedia article and the B-1B otherwise known as "Bones" is designed for high subsonic, low altitude penetration missions, combined with it's low Radar Cross-Section, on par with likely a F-16 or F-15 but a metric ton of bombload, it will likely work against the Abyssals. However this will likely be the first time in history that the B-1B is going to do the mission profile that it was designed to do.
Again pure speculation. However, I don't think something that big, can handle dive-bombing. It was designed to come in fast and low, smash the enemy's face in with a ton of payload, and then get the heck out. However I am not an aeronautical engineer, but considering the fact that the B-1B has Variable-Swept Wings, I don't know if the wings can actually handle the strain, doing the dive itself more than likely, but pullout? The SBD Dive Bomber was designed to handle a metric ton of G-load, like 6-gees plus. The B-1B is limited to about 3-gees for gee load.
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Aye!
In-setting, those U-boats are still out there. Having sunk their primary target they are now free to go after secondary and tertiary targets at will. They're close enough to the canal entrance that they could easily sink hundreds of thousands of tons of shipping waiting to pass through (there generally is that kind of tonnage waiting in line).
The Panama Canal is the US's most tender spot from a strategic point of view. The presence of a mostly-intact wolfpack right around it is extremely bad news.
Likewise in-setting, the loss of Wisconsin did nothing to mitigate the threat of Atomic Battlecruiser Princess. While we have two ships now capable of penetrating her armor, one of them can only manage about two thirds of her speed and gun range, and the other only has about two thirds of her tonnage. We really, really needed Wisconsin for that fight.
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As an aviation buff, I am quite familiar with the Bone. I know it is not intended for dive-bombing. It is meant for precision bombing. With guided weapons. Which the Abyssals lolhandwave into uselessness.
Ergo, your wall of text was slightly pointless. Just saying.
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Hey, at least he got the part about B-1s being intended for fast, low-level attacks right. This is progress. Thor researched a question before speaking.
Now, the part about a hail of 250-pound guided bombs whose guidance won't work being the best way to sink a battlecruiser... that's just plain silly. But he's half-right, and if he keeps trying to actually look stuff up and think things through, maybe he'll be adequate one of these days. Progress!
Now, the part about a hail of 250-pound guided bombs whose guidance won't work being the best way to sink a battlecruiser... that's just plain silly. But he's half-right, and if he keeps trying to actually look stuff up and think things through, maybe he'll be adequate one of these days. Progress!