Attempting to Shatter the Skies: An Ace Combat Plan Quest

[] Plan: To the sky
-[] Megastructure Design:
--[] Name: Project Asgard
--[] Concept: Project Asgard is about lifting the whole continent up above ground and maintain altitude, it design to be able to move the whole continent although slow due to its size, replace coastal gun for Anti air, Anti missile and anti nuke, as well as Subterranean work to make full use of the continents underground or at least the chuck that come with us.
--[] Scope: Huge
--[] Approach: Mitigation + Evaculation (lift the whole region upward to negate Tsunamis and Sea rising in advanced)
--[] Mobility: Mobile, Nuclear thrusters and various auxiliary system
--[] Location: The whole Antarctica.
-[] Host Mandates:
--[] [Antarc] Protect ancestral fisheries and hunting grounds
--[] [Chaldea] Establish world-class research institutions
--[] [Joint] Create a meaningful military
-[] Intent: To safeguard our future where the sky end and the star begin to shine. (aka. above the cloud)

So there a talk of lifting up the continent, and since I the one who want to submerge the continent here another plan to lift the whole thing up.
If this not working, I will scale down to Nation size.

And I mean if they shoot it down we can guarantee MAD protocol due to our impact power = our continent sheer size + velocity. At the very least it gonna be ugly to whichever nations our regions fall up on.

Or we could do something similar to Avenger 2 where thruster aim downward to create more destruction as final fuck you. (if most continent mass still intact we can achieve similar feat to the asteroid which wipe out dinosaur)

edit: I need name for the project, at first I thought I could go Hanging Garden of Babylon but that not fit the theme much.

edit 2: Just realize that if we success we can easily get stuff up on to orbits as we literally floating above the cloud.
 
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And I mean if they shoot it down we can guarantee MAD protocol due to our impact power = our continent sheer size + velocity. At the very least it gonna be ugly to whichever nations our regions fall up on.
And also most people invade places because they want the land they are on. Destroying said land is kind of counterproductive to that.

edit: I need name for the project, at first I thought I could go Hanging Garden of Babylon but that not fit the theme much.
Avalon? Asgard?
 
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How the frick I forgot about Avalon and Asgard..
Okay end up choosing Asgard for potential for more name later on.. (god/goddess names, nice)
I mean Avalon have some too like Merlin and Arthur but those name are not god.

Maybe later down the line Project Thor gonna become something like weather controller that control all surrounding weather around Asgard. (and set it to Ion Storm which act as EMP to fry/disrupt all Aircraft/missiles radars and control)
 
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Project Able/Archer
Concept :

- Project Archer is a massive laser array, capable of repeated and rapid fire. It is designed to be created of modular units, allowing it be expanded or decreased in scope as resources allow. While each laser unit can fire individually to deal with small targets, intended operation is that they concentrate their fire on the asteroid.

- Project Able is a spacemining mission, a collection of nuclear equipped Tick tanks who will explore Ulysses. Individually, these thick tanks will be able to map the asteroid to figure out precise fault lines, and preplace nuclear charges to destroy dangerous fragmnets.

In ideal operation, both projects will combine their resources. Able will use local resources and nuclear excavation to craft a reaction chamber, while Archer will direct fire lases into this chamber to create a primitive, yet massive scale rocket engine. This engine will be used to deflect Ulysses into a planetary orbit.

Scope
Moderate/Moderate
Approach
Fragment destruction/Fragment destruction => Pre-fragment reduction


Mobility
Stationary/Mobile

Location :
Southern Hemisphere/ Artic

I like this. Do you mind if I make a plan for this?
 
Project Hanging Garden
This wasn't changed when the name was.

--[] Name: Project Asgard
Just to spitball some ideas.

For our military after we've lifted ourselves into the sky.

We could build a "air navy." Basically a group of airships we could use as carriers and other things for when we need to send out troops to fight other militaries. So we'd be basically folding the Air Force and the Navy into one force.

A use for our lasers would definitely be a weapons on our ships and mobile continent. They would work well as ranged weapons and excellently as AA weapons.
 
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We could build a "air navy." Basically a group of airships we could use as carriers and other things for when we need to send out troops to fight other militaries. So we'd be basically folding the Air Force and the Navy into one force.
I mean we need to strengthen defense on mobile continents first before sky carriers or sky battleship come out,
Anyway I think we can also get some kind of high altitude flight or low orbit flight for our aircraft design as baseline. (Cause its just engine, thrusters and reactor upgrade which we probably research already to get the continent floating.)

And we might develop Starfighter which can operate in atmosphere to high Earth orbit later down the line. (aka. combine normal fighter jet progression together with Space fighter)
I mean we might be able to send fighter to shoot down satellite and stuff, if that happen
 
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By the way, when it comes to scope, what exactly counts as a point of progress? Say we have a monumental project, does that 10K progress point mean 10K of construction dice, or is subdivided into things like 5K construction dice and 5k research dice?

Precise subdivision will depend upon the complexity and complexity of the design, but yes there will be a measure of research and infrastructure and other categories in order to actually build this, because...

Oof. Wow, that's short.

For reference, 10000 Progress is about 200 dice, and if we only have 12 turns then something like that becomes very, very difficult to accomplish, yeah. Rolling roughly something on the order of 17d100 dice per turn.

(I was editing this while Derpmind was writing her reply)

...yes, this is very, very hard. You have over 20 dice available at start, so it is possible, but that's across all categories so you're going to basically have to perfectly prioritize projects, hope the law of averages works in your favor, and acquire more dice. This is on purpose. In canon a ton of states tried to build superweapons to stop Ulysses. Only one actually finished before it arrived.
 
I mean we might be able to send fighter to shoot down satellite and stuff, if that happen
Considering it's possible to shoot down satellites with a naval vessel in real life. Yeah we can definitely develop an anti satellite weapon.



...yes, this is very, very hard. You have over 20 dice available at start, so it is possible, but that's across all categories so you're going to basically have to perfectly prioritize projects, hope the law of averages works in your favor, and acquire more dice. This is on purpose. In canon a ton of states tried to build superweapons to stop Ulysses. Only one actually finished before it arrived.
What would the point cost for the whole lifting the continent into the sky be?
 
My plan splits the difference, in that the actual laser emitter is on top of our volcano base on an island we control and occupy, but the orbiting satellites with force field mirrors that coincidentally make them fairly difficult to kill act as reflectors, allowing us to project the beam across wider areas not in direct line of sight of the emitter.

The main issue as noted before, is that we are in a poor position to launch said satellites, and I feel that outside interference may be pushed up a step if our weapon clearly can be redirected down to the ground instead of being only capable of aiming into the sky. We don't want accusations of us being able to target foreign cities and whatnot.

I much prefer a weapon we can re-purpose later on for a smaller more mobile version to one that is actively capable of attacking enemies. Disguise it as pure good intentions focused cleanly on the giant rock, that we 'sadly had to modify for war'.

Also, I want to stick with the boulder-destroying sword name of Durandal.
 
Oh, right, this was supposed to be in the mechanics post but I completely forgot about it somehow.

Unlike other plan quests, rollover will always go to other, related, projects. It may not do so at a 1:1 rate, but there's no such thing as 'wasted' progress, so if you have like 30 left and give it one dice and it rolls a natural 100 you didn't 'waste' a ton.
 
You could also add the mandate about shielding the historic sites if you want to.
I'm pretty sure it would be literally impossible to truly preserve historic sites while somehow causing an entire continental landmass (or even the inhabited regions thereof) to hover off the ground on jet exhaust and then come back down.

...yes, this is very, very hard. You have over 20 dice available at start, so it is possible, but that's across all categories so you're going to basically have to perfectly prioritize projects, hope the law of averages works in your favor, and acquire more dice. This is on purpose. In canon a ton of states tried to build superweapons to stop Ulysses. Only one actually finished before it arrived.
By the way, what do you think of the Joyeuse concept? I know you gave it a Funny vote, but Is it reasonable?

I was heavily influenced by the lore that Excalibur could get extended range and shoot 'around' or 'past' the curvature of the Earth by using reflector satellites; the orbital mechanics seemed kind of bullshit to me but I figure that with something like mirrors made out of APS barriers you could make it work.

Also, I was trying for a system that could still be made to work if some of the key components of the full envisioned system are not available.

'Holy Lance' helps the system bust up asteroid fragments into bitty little pieces quickly and relatively cleanly by doing lots more shock and vibration damage along with the thermal damage, but if it doesn't work, then Joyeuse just reverts to being a lot more like Excalibur 1.1 instead of 2.0. Still not useless.

If it turns out that space launch is an insurmountable problem and we can't get the satellites, well, we've still built something that can zap asteroids in the skies within direct line of sight of our patron countries.

Make sense?

...

Hm.

I wonder if we could pitch the Paladin satellites as shielded tracking and sensor platforms to help with targeting and tracking of the fragments, only revealing their mirror functionality later. With APS being a novel technology that we're going to be innovating in, people might not realize we have that capability until we reveal it. What do you think about that?

The main issue as noted before, is that we are in a poor position to launch said satellites,
Well, that's why I have two bullshit Nod technologies being thrown into play to launch the satellites, one of which specifically makes use of a Nod specialty (a laser launch system).

...and I feel that outside interference may be pushed up a step if our weapon clearly can be redirected down to the ground instead of being only capable of aiming into the sky. We don't want accusations of us being able to target foreign cities and whatnot.

I much prefer a weapon we can re-purpose later on for a smaller more mobile version to one that is actively capable of attacking enemies. Disguise it as pure good intentions focused cleanly on the giant rock, that we 'sadly had to modify for war'.
I understand the logic. I'm deliberately ignoring the 'this is a strategic threat' aspect because the plan is quite specifically 'Excalibur 2.0, doing it right this time, with Nod characteristics.'

My big concern with yours is that I'm not sure we end up with a workable superweapon at the end of it at all. A sufficiently giant laser to be relevant in defending Strangereal against Ulysses as a whole is going to be really big, built to the same general scale as the canonical Excalibur. I don't think we can take such a system and just "make it mobile," and as I understand it that's important to you.

Also, I want to stick with the boulder-destroying sword name of Durandal.
That's quite valid. I decided to go with the "king's sword" association of Joyeuse, because my plan is literally just "use the Excalibur scientists to rebuild Excalibur.""
 
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I'm pretty sure it would be literally impossible to truly preserve historic sites while somehow causing an entire continental landmass (or even the inhabited regions thereof) to hover off the ground on jet exhaust and then come back down.
Who said it would come back down?

And why not? As long as we're careful about it. They should be fine. They are on the continent after all.
 
Who said it would come back down?

And why not? As long as we're careful about it. They should be fine. They are on the continent after all.
I think we'd have so much shaking and quaking and problems with the tensile strength of rock...

Like, picture a plate of rock a kilometer wide. You support it with a stick in the middle, or a rocket engine, or whatever. What stops the rock from falling off the sides? Bedrock doesn't have amazing tensile strength.

I could see some kind of "floating island" approach working if we wanted to put something the size of a city into the air. That's at least vaguely built to a scale only about an order of magnitude larger than some of the "flying battleship" superweapons that already exist in Ace Combat. But 'lift the whole damn continent' would at a bare minimum, even assuming you had the industrial resources, require you to core out a massive grid of tunnels all over the continent, and I mean like "every fifty meters from one edge to the other" so you could put steel girders in for tensile strength to keep the whole thing from coming apart.

To be clear I gave it a Funny for the megalomaniacal rant in the intent section being very funny, I haven't read any of the drafts in detail yet because I woke up like an hour ago and was immediately betrayed by my sinuses.
Gotcha. My sympathies. Well, you've seen my comments on it, so I will look forward to your thoughts.
 
So, I'm not too familiar with Ace Combat. I know the basics: Ace Pilot PC, Jets with infinite missiles, superweapons everywhere (including GTO Railgun Stonehenge), Belka always causing problems and getting slapped down by Osean, which is AU USA/NATO.

But I've got to ask, is the floating continent really a possibility? I know Ace Combat has a number of ridiculous megastructures and giant superweapons, but I thought they were more along the lines of impractical designs that look like their creators had an infinite R&D budget, but still on the edges of RL possibilities. Like the space elevator or the flying drone aircraft carrier.

So, something like a low orbit space station, or floating Islands or Arkships are something I can see, but an entire continent? And not even an Australia-equivalent but Antarctica? Does Ace Combat have anti-gravity technology, or is this going to be a bunch of city-sized rockets or burying a bunch of nukes to create a giant Orion Drive?
 
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I could see some kind of "floating island" approach working if we wanted to put something the size of a city into the air. That's at least vaguely built to a scale only about an order of magnitude larger than some of the "flying battleship" superweapons that already exist in Ace Combat. But 'lift the whole damn continent' would at a bare minimum, even assuming you had the industrial resources, require you to core out a massive grid of tunnels all over the continent, and I mean like "every fifty meters from one edge to the other" so you could put steel girders in for tensile strength to keep the whole thing from coming apart.
That why we use Nod Subterranean tech are important as its can help with digging out and keeping the ground intact.
As Nod got vast spanning tunnel system across the globe in canon so there might as well have something to help with these jobs.

So, something like a low orbit space station, or a floating Islands or Arkships are something I can see, but an entire continent? And not even an Australia equivalent but Antarticaia? Does Ace Combat have anti-gravity technology, or is this going to be a bunch of city-sized rockets, or burying a bunch of nukes to create a giant Orion Drive?
Either way work, but right now the plan is to build multiples nuclear thrusters keeping the Continents afloat (plan might chance to put the whole continent on stable orbit behind Earth (to dodge the heat ray from sun to prevent the ice from melting)
 
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