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Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles

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Eh, screw it. Gonna tag everyone.

@Reliable_2IC @mesonoxian @Scia @Byzantine @Wiadi @Shadell @Happerry @Shalmoa @Tykan @OriginalName @Cyricubed @hailcapital @Zaealix

Let's say that I am claiming to be in possession of the Hell's Herald, or am in touch with someone who is. I want a pseudo vote going on of who everyone would want to be Herald'd. At the least it'll give an idea of who is not with who or who suspects who the most here.

Probably could have phrased that better, but ah well.

Discuss. :V
 
I'm here, but I'm still thinking town!Zaealix is more likely than scum!Zaealix at the moment. I did have my suspicions prior and I understand what hailcapital's getting at, but I'm not really seeing it. That said, with Reliable_2IC providing some actually useful information, I'm not as enthusiastic about sitting on his wagon any more either. I'll be here for EoD.
 
*time to walk away from the thread for an hour and thirty to come back to flames*
 
Nictis said:
Eh, screw it. Gonna tag everyone.

@Reliable_2IC @mesonoxian @Scia @Byzantine @Wiadi @Shadell @Happerry @Shalmoa @Tykan @OriginalName @Cyricubed @hailcapital @Zaealix

Let's say that I am claiming to be in possession of the Hell's Herald, or am in touch with someone who is. I want a pseudo vote going on of who everyone would want to be Herald'd. At the least it'll give an idea of who is not with who or who suspects who the most here.

Probably could have phrased that better, but ah well.

Discuss. :V
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Honestly Nictis, I'd feel a lot more comfortable if you Heralded yourself. Your alignment is never easy to pick out, and I know that's intentional, but it does make things tough. At the same time, I realize that's probably not optimal, for the same reason that I said that I think infolynching you is a bad idea. I can live with a bit of discomfort if it improves town's chances in the end.

If you want to try picking scum for your hypothetical Herald though, my first two scum leans were Zaealix and Reliable_2IC, and I wouldn't mind seeing confirmation on Zaealix. I know I'm townreading him right now, but there's room left in my read for him to still be pulling stuff. Otherwise, maybe Cyricubed or Shadell? I have an very neutral read on Cyricubed right now and my gut is concerned with Shadell for some reason.
Nictis said:
*time to walk away from the thread for an hour and thirty to come back to flames*
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Where's the fist-shaking reaction when you need it?
 
Shalmoa said:
Honestly Nictis, I'd feel a lot more comfortable if you Heralded yourself. Your alignment is never easy to pick out, and I know that's intentional, but it does make things tough. At the same time, I realize that's probably not optimal, for the same reason that I said that I think infolynching you is a bad idea. I can live with a bit of discomfort if it improves town's chances in the end.
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If I am the one wielding it, I literally cannot. If I am only the messenger of the one wielding the power, they have no need to use it on me due to knowing my alignment. And if I am neither of those things... Still can't lol.
Shalmoa said:
If you want to try picking scum for your hypothetical Herald though, my first two scum leans were Zaealix and Reliable_2IC, and I wouldn't mind seeing confirmation on Zaealix. I know I'm townreading him right now, but there's room left in my read for him to still be pulling stuff. Otherwise, maybe Cyricubed or Shadell? I have an very neutral read on Cyricubed right now and my gut is concerned with Shadell for some reason.
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Either scum suspects or people you think would be the most informative to learn about, Town or Scum.
 
So that's one vote for nictis with a side priority of Cyricubed or Shadell then. Noted.
 
smh @Shalmoa stole my pick for the Herald. Yeah, if I had a Herald right now it would be at you, @Nictis, because you're by the most active player right now, and by far the most active vet player. You be cleared town would be a massive boon to us, especially since you've essentially also claimed some form of NK protection earlier. OTOH if you're scum we absolutely need to know.

Hmmm, second pick would be @Cyricubed, @mesonoxian, or @OriginalName? Any of those would give us either a free lynch of a potentionally hard to catch scum or a fairly active confirmed town vet.
 
Nictis said:
Let's say that I am claiming to be in possession of the Hell's Herald, or am in touch with someone who is. I want a pseudo vote going on of who everyone would want to be Herald'd. At the least it'll give an idea of who is not with who or who suspects who the most here.
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Honestly I'd be happiest with you using it on hailcapital, as things currently stand. He's seemed like a very helpful Townie voice, but something about him has been bugging me that I still haven't found a good way to articulate, so between that and how much he was getting town-read while Scum last game...I think there's a decent chance he's Scum and, if not, it'd be good to have him as confirmed-Town given how (seemingly) helpful he's being.

That said, if someone else was wielding it, you'd definitely also be right up there in terms of my preferences for targets. Shalmoa & hailcapital pretty much covered why - you're hard to get a handle on and having you as confirmed Town would give us a valuable trustworthy voice.
 
Nictis said:
So that's one vote for nictis with a side priority of Cyricubed or Shadell then. Noted.
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Don't forget Zaealix in with the side priorities, please.
Nictis said:
Either scum suspects or people you think would be the most informative to learn about, Town or Scum.
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Then yeah, I think we could get a lot of useful info out of confirming one of our vets, and I'd be in favor of that. You, Cyricubed and Shadell were the ones that came to mind that I wasn't already townreading, but OriginalName and mesonoxian would probably be informative too. Zaealix, I would be fine with just to avoid a potential mislynch on our second wagon, and because as much as I believe he's towny, I'm not actually dead set on it.

I see where Wiadi's coming from, but I don't think I'd dilute my pseudovote to that extent.
 
Also, really don't know what to make of the Reliable wagon right now. On the one hand I'd expect Scum to try harder to live and/or have teammates trying to help, but on the other hand it's hard to dispute that in a no-Jester game, someone going "just kill me already" probably should in fact die - otherwise it becomes way too easy of an out for actual Scum.

Not loving Zaealix as the counterwagon, either...picking the person who almost got voted out D1 feels a bit too much like choosing based on who you expect to be able to get votes on, rather than who's most suspicious. On the other hand Zaealix has been kinda suspicious and nearly got voted out D1 for a reason, so...hm.
Shalmoa said:
I see where Wiadi's coming from
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As in hailcapital's been bugging you too, or just as in you agree it'd be good to confirm him one way or another?
 
Wiadi said:
As in hailcapital's been bugging you too, or just as in you agree it'd be good to confirm him one way or another?
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Let's say about 10% of the first and 90% of the second. I can't put my finger on what I think is up with hailcapital, but I wouldn't disagree with someone sussing him at all. Honestly, I hadn't thought about the Zaealix wagon like that quite yet, and I see where you're coming from there.
 
Someone remind me why Zaealix is getting the scrutiny he is getting?
 
If votes for @Nictis are accepted, that's how I vote. If nothing else, having an experienced player who is mechanically confirmed town would be really helpful.
 
Nictis said:
Someone remind me why Zaealix is getting the scrutiny he is getting?
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hailcapital said:
Screw it, 2 hrs left, let's get a counter wagon going.

@Zaealix I hate your reasoning for voting @Reliable_2IC. I looked at @Shalmoa's argument for you and it's not convincing, and I don't buy @Tykan's argument for you at all. There are plenty of good reasons for that lynch, but you don't look like you're scumhunting or providing pressure. You look like you're trying to find the most lynchable non-scummate.

@Reliable_2IC, I still think you're scummy as hell and I'm perfectly happy with lynching you today. I think I still prefer you as a lynch to @Zaealix and if this gets close I probably will switch back to you, because I want to own that.

[X] Vote Zaealix
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Mostly just because of this counterwagon at the moment. I don't think there's a lot to the wagon, personally, but if Heralding Zaealix kills it in its tracks or actually justifies it, I'd be okay either way.

I don't think that'd put hypothetical town!Zaealix at a huge amount of risk, but I guess a Voodoo kill isn't out of the question. That, however, would be an issue with anyone we want to Herald.
 
As I understand it, I was a bit derpy D1, and that's the problem.
I might also not have been subtle about the few cards I'm keeping close to my chest.
As far as the Herald...*crosses arms*...*Grins* You know what? Normally, I'd say to herald someone I'm personally suspicious of, or barring that, use it on someone who's publicly suspected, like Reliable or, well, me.
 
Reliable_2IC said:
Honestly I'm not going to bother to defend myself since it's pretty clear I was up for the lynch anyways, so it's whatever.
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You understand this is exactly the kind of logic that got you here in the first place...you haven't bothered to do anything! Every time someone asks you for an opinion or...just about mostly anything it's "Well I don't know" or "Well there is no point to that so I won't.". You have a Litteral Do Nothing let everything go attitude. This is a social game but your basically opting out of the social option completely in favor of "It's inevitable, won't do anything to influence it". This is unfun my dude and I can't imagine this being any fun for you either playing like this. :(

Nictis said:
Eh, screw it. Gonna tag everyone.

@Reliable_2IC @mesonoxian @Scia @Byzantine @Wiadi @Shadell @Happerry @Shalmoa @Tykan @OriginalName @Cyricubed @hailcapital @Zaealix

Let's say that I am claiming to be in possession of the Hell's Herald, or am in touch with someone who is. I want a pseudo vote going on of who everyone would want to be Herald'd. At the least it'll give an idea of who is not with who or who suspects who the most here.

Probably could have phrased that better, but ah well.

Discuss. :V
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Well I find HH to be good for two things on a non-mind game level.

1- Attempting to pick out a scum member. So that being said I'd say use it on One of the following: Zae; Shadell, or Original Name. These 3 have reasons that I've got some linger suspicions on. Zae seems to have the illusion of being here but I feel hasn't actually input content into the thread, rather just popping in and existing. Shadell on the other hand has content, but a lot less than what I expect from them. Original Name I suspect for the reason I suspected Wiadi, strangly aggressive angling on Day 1.

and reason...

2- Attempting to confirm a solid town read. Generally someone Vocal. So along those lines(As long as it's not a super reveal because we don't want scum to learn items on town confirms) these two are my solid picks for that: HailCapital and Yourself. HailCapital has been very active and has a great amount of content and scumhunting. However there does remain a shadow of doubt that they could be playing a really good scum game with how everything has been going. Especially without QT to have an extra vet voice in. Yourself mainly because you've been relatively tame today and that has me concerned, despite the fact that honestly your D1 was very good in my opinion of notscum!Nictis.

Reverse sitaution nictis real quick: Who would you hypothecially vote for it to be used on?
 
Shalmoa said:
Mostly just because of this counterwagon at the moment. I don't think there's a lot to the wagon, personally, but if Heralding Zaealix kills it in its tracks or actually justifies it, I'd be okay either way.

I don't think that'd put hypothetical town!Zaealix at a huge amount of risk, but I guess a Voodoo kill isn't out of the question. That, however, would be an issue with anyone we want to Herald.
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hailcapital said:
Screw it, 2 hrs left, let's get a counter wagon going.

@Zaealix I hate your reasoning for voting @Reliable_2IC. I looked at @Shalmoa's argument for you and it's not convincing, and I don't buy @Tykan's argument for you at all. There are plenty of good reasons for that lynch, but you don't look like you're scumhunting or providing pressure. You look like you're trying to find the most lynchable non-scummate.

@Reliable_2IC, I still think you're scummy as hell and I'm perfectly happy with lynching you today. I think I still prefer you as a lynch to @Zaealix and if this gets close I probably will switch back to you, because I want to own that.

[X] Vote Zaealix
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*frowns*
 
@Happerry Saw you were catching up, mind skipping ahead for a moment to answer my question here?
Nictis said:
Eh, screw it. Gonna tag everyone.

@Reliable_2IC @mesonoxian @Scia @Byzantine @Wiadi @Shadell @Happerry @Shalmoa @Tykan @OriginalName @Cyricubed @hailcapital @Zaealix

Let's say that I am claiming to be in possession of the Hell's Herald, or am in touch with someone who is. I want a pseudo vote going on of who everyone would want to be Herald'd. At the least it'll give an idea of who is not with who or who suspects who the most here.

Probably could have phrased that better, but ah well.

Discuss. :V
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Cyricubed said:
Well I find HH to be good for two things on a non-mind game level.
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I also mention this phrase specifically to reference when I was a Demon, had a Culted Teammate, was on the bar for lynch, used it on my only opposing subject knowing that they weren't scum, revealed them to be an EMP!!! and then Swung it at someone else by claiming Ent to get heat off for at least a day or two, followed by everyone swinging onto the other EMP in the game and destroying half the game. ^-^ Mind games are fun.
 
Okay, gotta be honest. My initial reaction to @hailmind's quoted reasoning for voting Zaealix was a strong sense of concern, but it seems like it matches up to what he has been saying. So I guess I'm *not* voting hailmind right this moment.
Zaealix said:
[X] Vote Reliable_2IC

Shal can get answers out of Happerry, Reliable, you answer to me.
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hailcapital said:
I'm lightly sussing @Shalmoa and @Zaealix tbh.
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hailcapital said:
The tinfoil that keeps running through my head is what if it's Nictis/Zaealix, Nictis switches last minute so as to not end the day on town not realizing switching to Zaealix would lynch Zaealix, then realizes and switched back.
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Zaealix said:
See, I get that you're of the opinion that your words have no weight, but at this point even if I assume you're Town, if I had to lose anyone to a mislynch, you're about as good an offer as we're going to get, if you're just going to hoard info and not even bother trying to do something with it.
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hailcapital said:
Really not liking this sentiment.
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Shalmoa said:
In other news, I've re-read Zaealix's posting, and I think I've mostly smoothed over my suspicions of him. Now I'm pretty sure he's either town or absolute refuge-in-audacity scum, and I believe the former more. His comments on scum mechanics and coaching early in Day 1 make me think there's little possibility that he's actually on a scum team, and I don't really think he was just trying to pull one over on us then.
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hailcapital said:
I think I mentioned this before but I really don't like the "@Reliable_2IC is town but this is a policy lynch" narrative. From the games I've read, a policy lynch is pretty frequently scum having to make excuses to lynch town. Since scum know that the person they're lynching isn't scum, or in a multi-faction game like this, they have a better guess than we do, it's easier for them to argue that the person should be lynched for other reasons. I think @Shalmoa and @Nictis answered me on this already, so I'm going to single out @Tykan and @Zaealix on this one.
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hailcapital said:
I feel even worse about @Zaealix than I do @Tykan tbh. It's the same wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
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At first, it really felt like hail was still on his paranoia streak against Zaealix, in a way that really did not feel genuine.

As is though...

[x] Vote Shalmoa
 
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