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Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles

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Shadell said:
Yun reads as towny to me atm, in that a lot of arguing intensely on one target is an easy thing to do for town where scum has more tendency to be flexible to avoid looking bad.
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Uhm...can you explain this one to me? Because as Scum I've done exactly what your saying is towny here, and I've had times where as town I'm uncertain of my reads and tend to flip flop from person to person trying to consildate a sense of something.
 
I'll be sticking around for another 20 minutes before I vanish before EoD. So if anyone has questions pointed at me, now's the time.

Well, Zaealix more or less answered my questions already earlier. Yeah, I don't like his vote being purely based on history bias and nothing else. It's a) lazy and an easy copout and b) not really good style.
I'm not really a fan of voting Yun today and don't follow the case against him. But neither do I follow his case against Nictis.
Guess those are the cases for now?

[X] vote Zaealix

I could see scum going with this "reasoning" as for his vote but I admit it is a gamble on my part. Guts're surprisingly quiet D1, guess they're ashamed of failing me so massively in the last (non-imaginary) game.
 
[X] null

I'll need to go a bit before eod myself, got assigned to rework my defense slides from the start for the audience to follow easily. Gonna be a slog.

I'm suspicious of Yun, but I've gotten in fights with Nictis as town like this so I'm not sure how deeply to read into that.

Reliable reacted poorly to pressure but he's relatively new.

Not much else I've got that's useful.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by hailcapital on Jul 25, 2020 at 8:08 PM, finished with 188 posts and 11 votes.
  • [x] Vote Yun
    [X]Vote Mesonoxian
    [x]Vote Reliable_2IC
    [X] Vote Original Name
    [x] Vote Zaealix
    [x] Null
    [x] Null
    [x] vote QTesseract
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Tykan said:
Sooo, has Meso done anything else to earn your vote or is it purely the history bias? If the latter, do you intend to stay on that vote for EoD?
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*Laughes*
Pure history like I've been saying! What makes this hilarious is that I even jumped to a new vote! How-
Yun said:
@Zaealix You're not supposed to edit posts just fyi.
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...*facepalms*
Sonnova...
hailcapital said:
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...FRIGGEN!
[X]Shadell
I hope this isn't a terrible mistake but CLEARLY I'm already slipping up in serious 'does he need coaching?' ways now.
 
Also looking back I kinda skimmed the Meso/zaealix interaction earlier but it seems kinda... odd.

And that most recent post does not endear me to him either. A joking dismiss of a serious post seems rather scummy to me, as it's an easy way to dodge needing a serious defense that could turn against you.
 
Byzantine said:
Also looking back I kinda skimmed the Meso/zaealix interaction earlier but it seems kinda... odd.

And that most recent post does not endear me to him either. A joking dismiss of a serious post seems rather scummy to me, as it's an easy way to dodge needing a serious defense that could turn against you.
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The point was I was amused, but then I realized I never altered my vote.
Which...Kind of blows.
Add to that the edit mistake and I'm starting to think I should ask a vet Mafia player to coach me next game. Or maybe this one! Well, it'd be a bit lame to try it now...
 
Zaealix said:
The point was I was amused, but then I realized I never altered my vote.
Which...Kind of blows.
Add to that the edit mistake and I'm starting to think I should ask a vet Mafia player to coach me next game. Or maybe this one! Well, it'd be a bit lame to try it now...
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Don't worry, I'd be happy to coach you in this game! Just let me know what you are and we can work it out...
 
Nictis said:
Okay, allow me to simplify then. You made an accusation that I was claiming "Not Demon" but could be going on a technicality like if I was *technically* possessed instead of a proper Demon. In the current thread, I have never claimed "Not Demon" or "Not Fiend" but have pretty heavily suggested I was Town in the post you were quoting. So in the current thread that was bogus... *But* the accusation matched to a previous thread where I was possessed and claiming to not be a Demon.

I'm not basing my argument in the past game, I'm questioning why your accusation seems rooted in past behavior instead of current behavior.
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You're crossing wires, and I'll quote the exact thing I said. Because made a point based upon the saying has nothing to do with previous mafia threads.
They say a lie is best told with a degree of truth, and I suspect you're being truthful about not being a demon/fiend, but rather your a possessed/fiendish species.
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Whether, or not people believe my arguements is up to them, but you constanstly bringing up previous thread behavior as counter point is making this tedious.
Then watch and visit the same person instead of watching the other scum? In that case it really doesn't matter if the Coin goes into play, you'll still see everyone and everything that targets that person.
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With FC hypothetically in play you won't get the actual house to visit them unless you have a trailer as FC does not vist, and Widget Detector is only noted to catch every single item when they're targetting the owner whereas the visit gets whatever visits the house you end up at.
This fancy, beeping, whatever the hell it is whirring at you prints out a list every morning. This list, as the instruction manual helpfully informs you, will contain every single item targeted at you in the night. It will not tell you what they were used for, any other targets, by who, or even of any non-item based actions. This effect is used automatically.

Furthermore, you will also receive a separate list of all items targeted at any player you visit, and may send a message containing the words 'visit [player]' to visit for the express purpose of taking advantage of this effect, although if you visit for any other reason, you still receive the list.
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See my point?

*shrugs*
Read the rest of the piece quoted. The reasoning is not always going to be apparent, but there's trends to follow. For example, people who follow the vote a tad too quickly or people who disagree with the vote publicly. Probably the most valuable info you can expect to get out of Day 1 is if someone starts pushing a lynch when there's traction on someone else... Who later ends up being scum.

Me voting like a spotlight isn't new, and besides that there was reasoning stated in the post where I voted Ori. Namely that it was too quiet. I do not always have time to put effort into posting these reasoned things, but poking the thread is pretty quick to do.

Sure, I picked at (claimed to be) random, but there was reasoning attached.
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So let me get this straight you're as an alleged member of the town are saying you may, or may night have lied when making a claim to be doing a random lynch post? Why would you do that as town when it can just lead to a confused mess?
Nictis said:
If me or anyone particularly interested in my survival has a coin... You can't.

Also if your group were fiends and I had any other level of protection, you wouldn't be able to kill me without a Fiendish Orc. So... Yeah.
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Except a scum with the first FC, or simply an earlier one than someone trying to protect you can get a virtually guaranteed kill if they want it at least three times, and for say demons they can make it untraceable when combining with a mystic cage alongside strongman kill.

Also aren't you forgetting about strongman demon kills?
Porque no los dos? If you are scumreading me, why stop voting me? Why not vote me and question the people who are defending me? If you've got a scumread, stick to it. If nothing else it makes it easy to check and remember who you suspected if and when you die.

Also, that reminds me. Earlier you mentioned that you were acting as though you were expecting to be killed Night One, but I've got to be honest when I say that I wasn't really getting the feeling that you were talking about your day actions so much as your night actions when you originally made that post. Don't feel like grabbing quotes right now.
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Shrug I read your past as agreeing to go after others, and I've been too busy responding to do so at the end of the day.

I'm uncertain what you're trying to say here?
Nictis said:
I was going to switch off of Yun much earlier, but the point about my death being more informative and useful has me staying honestly.
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Hm. Out of curiosity why did you not swap out when I did, and used your vote to pressure someone else in the meanwhile?
 
Right, Technically I'm sheeping assuming the vote counts...
[X]vote QTesseract
Shot in the dark, because while I in theory still have claims I can make for the good of town, I'm not sure if desperation claims are worth making...
 
Cyricubed said:
Uhm...can you explain this one to me? Because as Scum I've done exactly what your saying is towny here, and I've had times where as town I'm uncertain of my reads and tend to flip flop from person to person trying to consildate a sense of something.
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As scum, my inclination tends to be to not look bad, while town has to catch scum and is more likely to trust a read because it's not fake. There's the roles that want specific people dead, but jumping in this early hard on someone feels like town barking up the wrong tree more than scum if I have to pick between them. It's not a hard read, but it's D1, so.
 
Shadell said:
As scum, my inclination tends to be to not look bad, while town has to catch scum and is more likely to trust a read because it's not fake. There's the roles that want specific people dead, but jumping in this early hard on someone feels like town barking up the wrong tree more than scum if I have to pick between them. It's not a hard read, but it's D1, so.
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I don't believe we have any lynchers in this setup, with 16 people.
 
Yun said:
You're crossing wires, and I'll quote the exact thing I said. Because made a point based upon the saying has nothing to do with previous mafia threads.
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And again, I never claimed " not being a demon/fiend " I claimed Town. The only thing I could figure for where you got the idea that I was claiming not Demon/Fiend was from the time I was possessed and said I was not a Demon. In this thread I haven't gone over the specifics in a way where that statement makes sense.
Like, here's what I said:
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My personal priorities, well, I'll just copy/paste my priority list from my PM for the Town side of things.
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And here's what you said:
Yun said:
They say a lie is best told with a degree of truth, and I suspect you're being truthful about not being a demon/fiend, but rather your a possessed/fiendish species.
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There wasn't the 'degree of truth' where I said I wasn't a demon/fiend, I said I was Town and you claimed that I was a possessed/fiendish instead of a normal scum because... ???

Literally the only thing I can think of for where this could have come from was from someone mentioning the time I did that.

I'm stopping this post here because this is the thing that I'm stuck on. You said that I said I wasn't a Demon or Fiend, but accused me of being fiendish/possessed like I was doing some kind of wordplay to go "huehuehue, I'm being totally honest, I'm not a 'Demon', huehuehue" When that's not something I've said this game.
 
Nictis said:
If me or anyone particularly interested in my survival has a coin... You can't.
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I've been townreading you, but this is making me doubt that. Given all of your talk about how scum are going to make themselves nightkill proof and then claiming you are nightkill proof, particular with the help of those "particularly interested" in your survival.
 
Yun said:
Whether, or not people believe my arguements is up to them, but you constanstly bringing up previous thread behavior as counter point is making this tedious.
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It's not a counter point, I'm asking where the hell you got that accusation from, because it's the literal only thing I can think of for why you would have accused me like that. You have yet to explain why you believed me to be Fiendish/Possessed or why you thought I was engaging in some kind of foxy wordplay to do so.
Yun said:
With FC hypothetically in play you won't get the actual house to visit them unless you have a trailer as FC does not vist, and Widget Detector is only noted to catch every single item when they're targetting the owner whereas the visit gets whatever visits the house you end up at.
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If you WD someone who gets moved by the Coin, everyone that targeted them is still targeting the same house you are. It doesn't redirect you it redirects everyone.
Yun said:
See my point?
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You bolded the wrong section.
Furthermore, you will also receive a separate list of all items targeted at any player you visit, and may send a message containing the words 'visit [player]' to visit for the express purpose of taking advantage of this effect, although if you visit for any other reason, you still receive the list.
You know every item that is targeted at the people you visit.
Yun said:
So let me get this straight you're as an alleged member of the town are saying you may, or may night have lied when making a claim to be doing a random lynch post? Why would you do that as town when it can just lead to a confused mess?
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I say that it is something I've claimed because I prefer being open in that you don't know my alignment, so I don't act like everything I do is ironclad. If I am a member of the Town, that vote was probably random. If I was not a member of the Town, that vote was probably not random, although the reasoning would have to be figured out later.

Yun said:
Except a scum with the first FC, or simply an earlier one than someone trying to protect you can get a virtually guaranteed kill if they want it at least three times, and for say demons they can make it untraceable when combining with a mystic cage alongside strongman kill.

Also aren't you forgetting about strongman demon kills?
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Gonna be real here, forgot the priority list was a thing for the FC. And honestly, can't say I care much. If I, or someone invested in my survival, has a Coin, then chances are that the scum cannot reliably kill me. If they happened to get the first coin and decide that they want to use that to move me to a spot where they feel they can kill me, and I'm not protected by other methods, well then shit. Tough luck. Whoopsy daisy.

Again, not really a concern of mine. I'll leave it to you to try and figure out why.
Yun said:
Hm. Out of curiosity why did you not swap out when I did, and used your vote to pressure someone else in the meanwhile?
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Why would I unvote you? You were suggesting that we get sleep and get back to it the next day, and considering it was... I think three AM my time, I was cool with that plan. I don't back off people in a case of M.A.D.
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Bagh, accidentally locked everything in a quote box.
mesonoxian said:
I've been townreading you, but this is making me doubt that. Given all of your talk about how scum are going to make themselves nightkill proof and then claiming you are nightkill proof, particular with the help of those "particularly interested" in your survival.
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*Shrugs*
 
And the discussion exploded overnight, yay. Hmm.

The Yun/Nictis thing is getting a lot of attention, but my gutfeeling from skimming through everything that was posted feels more like town/town then scum, though as I said that's from a skim and I really should go back and read in detail before pushing that too much. Still, i felt it was better to say something then to say nothing given I'd been poked to say something.

Though I think a lot of people have an interest in making themselves nightkill proof.
 
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