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Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles

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Nictis said:
Rephrasing, why are the people who voted Rosen more suspect than the people who voted ondine?
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The people who voted Rosen (and Rosen themselves, since they could hardly vote themselves to save a teammate without defeating the point) ended up with more votes. Any other vote could have increased a bandwagon, whereas switching off -Rosen at the absolute last minute would have been a net neutral or negative affair. Ondine voters are probably more likely than the general population though, yeah.
 
Nictis said:
I am also finding myself confused by the fact that Original Name and Wiadi were vig-shot. I really don't see why people would have wanded them on Night One and I don't see Scum having decided to just blast off at the start like that. Not with the amount of kill stops in play.
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Actually I can see why Original Name might have. From my POV during the night I found O.N. to be suspect based on his post regarding the item question you put out. It almost seemed like info bleed of either late pick or early pick with teammates, which lead me to think along the lines of what is more likely and that comes down to teammates, which was likely scum. I WAS going to lead off with a push onto them but yeah, too late for that. *Tosses incorrect notes out the window*

mesonoxian said:
Wait, so that means we have a possessed orc, right? So the other orc(s) have a pretty good idea who that must be. I don't suppose they'd like to come forward? If so, I am sure we could arrange to make sure you can win with town.
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Fiendish, not Possessed.

Happerry said:
Really not sure why Wiadi was double targeted, and by a wand too. Actually we saw two wands used this night, unless I'm not remembering the death descriptions right, and I'm kinda surprised at that. Given wands aren't normally multi use that also feels like a 'huh'.
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Huh...what makes you certain they were double-targeted by a group and not just targeted by two different factions?

Broken Base said:
And if you let me remove myself, then you have almost all lurkers/no content posters/Twisted Mind, with the exception of Rosen and Shadell (whom I have a slight town read on), which makes this feel... too easy, I guess? It just feels wrong to me.
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You keep ignoring me, I barely have any content, I should be seeing some pokes from you at me but I don't.
 
I'll note again, though I spent a few minutes checking in, I had a manuscript deadline on Monday (in addition to some extremely nerve-wracking drama involving accidentally coI'd rather not get into that seems to have resolved itself without any misery thank god).

It's possible scum might have already been on a rival train with 3 and worried about the optics of jumping 2 at once last minute.
 
Also my back-up suspect is also dead so I suppose I'll throw out those notes too. To Wiadi: "Bad luck my dude. real bad luck."
 
Broken Base said:
I honestly don't know. EOD was a fucking mess and I think that it's quite possible that there was one scum that just completely lost control of the flow of EOD and ended up being left behind and tried to play catch-up and failed.

Maybe I'm wrong about Shadell. Maybe it is as simple as, like, Happerry/Twisted Mind or Twisted Mind/Hutchmang or something. But I'm just going to say that this doesn't feel right to me at all.
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I hadn't remembered that post from @Tykan to @Hutchmang, thanks. Still even if there was only one demon on, they couldn't make up a reason to vote -Rosen to save Tykan?
 
Vote tallies, because why not?
[X] Vote Nictis - Cyricubed, Shadell, Tykan. [3]
[X] vote ondine - hailcapital, -Rosen [2]
[x] vote Hutchmang - Byzantine, Nictis [2]
[X]Vote Happery - OriginalName, Broken Base [2]
[X] Vote Swarmingu - Happerry [1]
[X] Vote Tykan - Wiadi [1]

[X] Vote Tykan - Wiadi, OriginalName, Nictis [3]
[X] vote ondine - hailcapital, -Rosen [2]
[x] Vote -Rosen - mesonoxian, Scia [2]
[X] Vote Happerry - Broken Base, Byzantine [2]
[X] Vote Nictis - Tykan, QTesseract [2]
[X] Vote Swarmingu - Happerry [1]
[x] Vote Byzantine - ondine [1]

[X] Vote Tykan - Wiadi, OriginalName, Nictis [3]
[x] Vote -Rosen - mesonoxian, Scia [2] ondine [3]
[X] vote ondine - hailcapital, -Rosen [2]
[X] Vote Happerry - Broken Base, Byzantine [2]
[X] Vote Nictis - Tykan, QTesseract [2]
[X] Vote Swarmingu - Happerry [1]
[X] vote JDS - ondine [1] [0]
 
...Apologies if this is me being hilariously thick but uhh, maybe the fact that except for humans, races know who their other racials are might be a tad important?
Like...
If Scum tried to get say, an Elf lynched, the other clean elves at least are liable to go to bat for that guy.
Same with Dwarves, same with Gnomes, same with Orcs as well.
So Tykan maybe got a bit of cover thrown his way via the Gnome vote, but not enough, especially given the whole 'possessed' thing could happen and did.
Also important is that Scum is...Kinda torn into two seperate teams, so they might not have their normal level of control on the vote, as well.
 
Shadell said:
It's possible scum might have already been on a rival train with 3 and worried about the optics of jumping 2 at once last minute.
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Scum rarely want to stack, at best we could see 2 on one of those sets. We also don't have an ACTUAL indication of if it was a tie vote or if a Fiend/Standard Orc pushed the vote.

Now then if there is a standard orc it is in your best interests to immedietly reveal the identity of the other orcs.

A: You prove that you are indeed an orc and thus have no reason to be targeted for lynch by town, targeted for kill by demons, or revenge killed by fiends since it'd be a waste of time.
 
Oh that was incomplete

B: reduce the chance your going to be randomly selected for kill by someone to near 0.
 
Cyricubed said:
Now then if there is a standard orc it is in your best interests to immedietly reveal the identity of the other orcs.
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Demons want orcs outed as demons need orcs dead. I'm skeptical of the push to do this tbh, particularly with the voodoo doll in play, the standard orc won't know who or what the others are, but there's a decent chance the demons immediately retaliate. Asking for orcs is good, but if they're not adequately protected, there's a very good chance that costs us a vote that can be pushed to line up with town in a game with a bunch of kills and scum votes, particularly with the beating town and survivors have already taken.
 
hailcapital said:
This would almost read like TMI except that it doesn't make any sense as TMI. Why would you think a wand would get scum on night 1?
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The same reason town got shot up. Someone was going get blasted, so there was a chance scum would be blasted. That didn't happen obviously, but the chance was there.

Shadell said:
[x] Vote Reliable_2IC
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Not interested in turning this into a Mexican standoff, so would you care to explain your reasoning?
 
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ComiTurtle said:
As a Fiend, you win when all enemies of the fiends are eliminated. That includes all Humans, Demons, Hell Beasts, Ents, Gnomes, and Elves. It does not include any form of Dwarf or Orc
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ComiTurtle said:
As a Demon, you win when all enemies of the demons have been eliminated. That includes all Dwarves, Orcs, Humans, Fiends, Hell Beasts, and Ents
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Reliable_2IC said:
Not interested in turning this into a Mexican standoff, so would you care to explain your reasoning?
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*draws on Shadell*

[x] Vote Shadell
 
*Writes down notes*

And A2.0: Uhh...town would be exceptionally appreciative and try to have you survive?
 
Reliable_2IC said:
Not interested in turning this into a Mexican standoff, so would you care to explain your reasoning?
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Wands are a likely pick for scum if anything. Town wants to stay alive, and while the one shot vig is good, it's often distinctly *better* for scum to try to make a lot of kills early on (what I suspect happened). Scum also have the best chance of not friendly firing early game, so towny vigs with 1 shot are unlikely to fire until they have a better clue or it's late game and that can swing things afaict.


It's not a very serious vote, but it's a distinctly alarming kind of logic to want more death N1 imo, that sets off the scum alarm.
 
Shadell said:
Demons want orcs outed as demons need orcs dead. I'm skeptical of the push to do this tbh, particularly with the voodoo doll in play, the standard orc won't know who or what the others are, but there's a decent chance the demons immediately retaliate. Asking for orcs is good, but if they're not adequately protected, there's a very good chance that costs us a vote that can be pushed to line up with town in a game with a bunch of kills and scum votes, particularly with the beating town and survivors have already taken.
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Flash though of if I was a very evil heartless individual: Demon or Town I would push for this as that would mean that's resources not being used on my team but rather a independant party should an orc actually come forth with that.

Flash though off.

Now back to your regular thoughtful(But obviously a bit scatterbrained tonight) bird programming.
 
Cyricubed said:
You keep ignoring me, I barely have any content, I should be seeing some pokes from you at me but I don't.
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Well, right now I'm largely looking at analysis from Tykan, who basically didn't mention you, and talking about people that were inactive on EOD with hailcapital, and you were active. Though you weren't voting, as far as I can tell? What was up with that?

Yesterday I was focused on poking active people and Happerry mostly, and you just slipped under the radar for me. It happens.

hailcapital said:
Still even if there was only one demon on, they couldn't make up a reason to vote -Rosen to save Tykan?
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If the demon is, say, ondine, isn't that exactly what they did? Then again she had that weird shift onto three letter poster before jumping to Rosen last sec when she could have been pushing Rosen the whole time... hm. Let me get back to you on this; I think I'll have to try and think about what was going on at that EOD. It is certainly possible I'm just overthinking this.
 
TBH, I'm not sure I follow Cyri's reasoning myself...
Like, Orcs know now there's Fiend running in one of them, right?
Any Orc starts getting suspected has to worry about the hammer of the other orcs swinging right at them.
Meanwhile, Orcs DON'T want to out themselves because everyone who's not Orc will suspect the lot, while the Orcs internally can at least know if they're innocent. (Or if they're possessed, they know they'll need some cover fomr their 'friends')
 
Cyricubed said:
Huh...what makes you certain they were double-targeted by a group and not just targeted by two different factions?
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If I gave this impression, it was in error. My comment was that they were targeted twice at all, not that I believed they were targeted twice by what i believed was the same side.

Because personally I wouldn't of expected Wiadi to be top target... granted, there's little enough known even now there's not a lot of distance between the top and bottom targets I'd think, but that seems more like a vote to wait on wand use, not fire early and probably blindly.
 
Broken Base said:
Well, right now I'm largely looking at analysis from Tykan, who basically didn't mention you, and talking about people that were inactive on EOD with hailcapital, and you were active. Though you weren't voting, as far as I can tell? What was up with that?
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*Quietly looks away in shame*

I ahh...typed up a post and failed ot hit Post reply and thought I did. I had typed up a post agreeing(despite some hypocrasy) that Happerry seemed like a solid vote at the time.
 
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