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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%
  • Total voters
    851
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
28 years, turn 35 is when a turn = 5 years. It's currently turn 15. We got a good 20 years/turns to do our side checking and then 1 turn to meet him before he gets caught in the middle of turn 36-37. So around 21 turn to meet him. A fair bit less sure but not too bad all things considered.
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We'd need to get pretty close. Even assuming our psychic senses and familiarity with what a primarch feels like get gud enough that we can foresee his arrival two turns in advance with Navigator and it being a major event, we'd need to have expanded pretty close. Assuming, worst case that he's half a galaxy away, we'd need a clearing rate of 125 sectors per year.
 
Hey ilbgar123 would it be possible to develop a Psychic Focus or Wargear that would be treated like our Wargear but for Psyker checks? The reason I ask is so that we could extend the range of our Psychic quires.
The Froggy Ninja said:
We'd need to get pretty close. Even assuming our psychic senses and familiarity with what a primarch feels like get gud enough that we can foresee his arrival two turns in advance with Navigator and it being a major event, we'd need to have expanded pretty close. Assuming, worst case that he's half a galaxy away, we'd need a clearing rate of 125 sectors per year.
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Well expansion is exponential so it wouldn't be the biggest stretch to think we could reach Angron through expansion plus Webway tunnels and worst comes to worst we can emergency teleport chain to him.
 
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The Froggy Ninja said:
We'd need to get pretty close. Even assuming our psychic senses and familiarity with what a primarch feels like get gud enough that we can foresee his arrival two turns in advance with Navigator and it being a major event, we'd need to have expanded pretty close. Assuming, worst case that he's half a galaxy away, we'd need a clearing rate of 125 sectors per year.
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That is alot of work. And worse like you said we have no reason to go there more than any other direction and IC we're not paranoid enough about Chaos corrupting our brothers to justify such zealous searching. If the thread deems finding Angron to be a priority or finds some way to make it so we can find him within our limited timeframe I'm all for it, but right now it kind of seems to be near impossible to make it in time.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
Well expansion is exponential so it wouldn't be the biggest stretch to think we could reach Angron through expansion plus Webway tunnels and worst comes to worst we can emergency teleport chain to him.
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True, plus, even with our current navigator score, we can get visions over four years in the future now that I've checked.
@ilbgar123, how directional would our eventual vision of Angron's arrival be? Even if we can just rule out half the segmentum, that's only a 62 sector line, even if we start on the opposite edge. With four+ years to get there and three years to pinpoint him, we'd only need ~20 sectors per turn to get there in time.
 
The Froggy Ninja said:
True, plus, even with our current navigator score, we can get visions over four years in the future now that I've checked.
@ilbgar123, how directional would our eventual vision of Angron's arrival be? Even if we can just rule out half the segmentum, that's only a 62 sector line, even if we start on the opposite edge. With four+ years to get there and three years to pinpoint him, we'd only need ~20 sectors per turn to get there in time.
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The long-term visions are less accurate than the short-term ones, but you can reasonably expect to see things a 5-year-Turn in advance by that point anyway, so, directional enough for your hypothesis to work out.
 
Yeah, that's the mechanical effect of Emps attempts at black-boxing. Cawl being able to improve on the Astartes is such a big deal in canon for this reason, as one of his Perks lets him mitigate the problem.
 
ilbgar123 said:
Yeah, that's the mechanical effect of Emps attempts at black-boxing. Cawl being able to improve on the Astartes is such a big deal in canon for this reason, as one of his Perks lets him mitigate the problem.
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is void shield and void shield emitter one or two separate projects?

also 11 actions to max out at 500k in one go for astartes
 
Emitters make the Void Shield stronger, but researching the exact properties that make the shield effective and improving on them can considered a separate action.
 
Does anyone remember how long it is till we get Astartes for free?

tri2 said:
@Sir LagsAlot think booster crystals use same skills as crystal/runes to improve?
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Sir LagsAlot said:
I wouldn't see why not. Do you want me to provide you with the checks and skills involved in a Crystal check?
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Well, unlike regular Crystals I think we eat the Booster Crystals, and the Self Rune didn't work off of grades and Booster Crystals and Grades have never been spoken of together I think.

It probably uses the same Checks and skills, but I'd bet there's a decent chance that it doesn't doesn't work off of Grades in a similar manner to the Self Rune and so it might be able to be pumped all the way to 500000.
 
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Booster Crystals that work for every Stat are a 500000 Check. Partly because 'have to be safe for consumption' and partially due to how wide their effects have to be to work on every Stat.
 
[ ] Plan Why Serras Should Not(?) Drink Recaff

Minor Actions (x79=57+22 from Major)
[ ] [Booster] Free Booster Crystal on Control
[ ] [Minor] [Train Stats] Learning (x4)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Electronics: Security (x3)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Combat: Stealth (x3)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Perception: Environment (x3)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Surgery (x3)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: Narcotics (x3)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Medicine: First-Aid (x3)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Military (x5)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Industry (x5)
[ ] [Minor] [Train Skills] Invention: Luxury (x5)
[ ] [Minor] [SL] Magnus (x1)
[ ] [Minor] [SL] Rogal Dorn (x1)
[ ] [Minor] [SL] Mehtrya (x1)
[ ] [Minor] [SL] Albert Salnus (x2) (max out parent SL and Speech)​

50 Invention Actions+74 = 124
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Temperance (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Morality (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Justice (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Compassion (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Integrity (N)
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Advance] Willpower (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Creativity (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Emotion (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Memory (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Heart (L)
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Wisdom
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Mind (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Learning (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Improvement (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Perception
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Speech
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Diplomacy
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Education
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Medicine
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Healing (N)
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Evasion
- [ ] [Advance] Defense (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Martial
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Combat
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Intrigue
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Tactics
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Control
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Power
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Invention
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Psyker
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Forging
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Electronics
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Administration
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Explosives
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Mobility
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Cleanse
- [ ] [Advance] Detection (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Survival (L)
- [ ] [Advance] Time (L)
- [ ] [Advance] Space (L)
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Advance] Durability (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Energy (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Light (U)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Holy (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Structural Integrity (L)
[ ] [Invention] Improve Crystal Tiers/Runic Language 1 (x2)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Luck (L)
- [ ] [Advance] Concealment (N)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Accuracy (L)
- [ ] [Create] [Advance] Warding(N)
- [ ] [Advance] Speed (N)
[ ] [Invention] Improve Material Science x3
[ ] [Invention] Improve Sensors x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Ship Laser x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Ship Plasma x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Ship Kinetic Weapons x5​
[ ] [Invention] Improve Replicator Efficiency x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Ship Designs x4
[ ] [Invention] Improve Ship Scale Weapons x3
[ ] [Invention] Improve Void Shields x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Void Shields Emitter x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Reactors x4
[ ] [Invention] Improve Transistors x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Cogitator x6
[ ] [Invention] Improve Anti Corruption Cogitator x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Computer Programming x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Gellar Fields x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Gellar Field Rune Combo x5
[ ] [Invention] Improve Orichalcix x4
[ ] [Invention] Improve Psychic Choir x7
[ ] [Invention] Improve Booster Crystals x6
[ ] [Invention] Improve Warp Navigation Gear x4
[ ] [Invention] Improve Personal Wargear x3

Integration Actions (x139)
[ ] [Integration] Improve Policy x7
[ ] [Integration] The Android Situation (x25): Figure out how to integrate them fully without issues from the Mechanicum. Find out why they could not make more of themselves.
[ ] [Integration] Tour the Bastion Sector (x20): We have all these shiny new planets, and we want to know more about their worlds and their people.
- [ ] Network with very important people!
- [ ] Visit cultural heritage sites of various planets!
- [ ] Find out the unique exports of various planets!
- [ ] Release the Propaganda Machine!
- [ ] Greet the peasants! :V
[ ] [Integration] Improve the Guard Command and Fleet Command. (x25): While you might rewritten the manual on warfare several times, it won't do any good if the admirals and generals in your army have not studied them to heart, or if your army and navy themselves are not organized enough to follow their commands.
- [ ] Improve the organization standards of our army and navy.
- [ ] Set up Academies to train recruited officers and troops.
- [ ] Increase recruitment drive for our army and navy.
- [ ] Set up War games to promote combat readiness.
- [ ] Promote meritocracy within our army and navy.
[ ] [Integration] Improve the Scientific Enterprise (x20): Improve existing R&D organizations, bringing the research capabilities of our polity slightly closer to Serras.
- [ ] Improve integration between classical scientists, tech-priests, quarian technicians, and various tech-sects within Bastion.
- [ ] Improve protocols for resource allocation, research sharing, vetting, and safeguard.
[ ] [Integration] Improve Internal Security and Intelligence to counteract sabotage/traitors/spies/criminals (x30)
[ ] [Integration] Diplomacy (x12)

Survey Actions (x62)
[ ] [Survey] (x62)​
 
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@tri2
Is that amount of actions enough to upgrade the Astartes Package? @ilbgar123 stated that we need to clear the 500k check in one go or else it's a waste of actions. Also could you include psychic choirs in your plan as well or is that not on the table?
 
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
@tri2
Is that amount of actions enough to upgrade the Astartes Package? @ilbgar123 stated that we need to clear the 500k check in one go or else it's a waste of actions. Also could you include psychic choirs in your plan as well or is that not on the table?
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yes 11 actions to go from zero to over 500K

ExNihilo said:
Can we fit choirs in there? Or did you already?
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Sir LagsAlot said:
No integration actions invested into Darkspawn or Grimm research? Also I'm surprised you didn't include more Crystals but I get it your plan already is pretty stuffed and really comprehensive so regardless you got my vote especially since no else has proposed anything yet.
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only did invention actions right now
not sure what to remove for psychic choir, also need skills used to upgrade it before I can calc.
 
Wind-Up Citrus said:
@tri2
Is that amount of actions enough to upgrade the Astartes Package? @ilbgar123 stated that we need to clear the 500k check in one go or else it's a waste of actions. Also could you include psychic choirs in your plan as well or is that not on the table?
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Ilbgar mentioned that Astartes Package not holding research was due to Emperor black boxing I was the one who suggested that we only research it if we could go over 500k for efficiencies sake.
tri2 said:
yes 11 actions to go from zero to over 500K



only did invention actions right now
not sure what to remove for psychic choir, also need skills used to upgrade it before I can calc.
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Strip and distribute from Astartes Package we don't need it right now and you can shove the remainder into Crystals and an odd action into something else such as that survival wargear our parents and stuff have or some helper androids.
 
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removed astartes package
maxed out psychic choir
added 4 to improve anti grav
or do you want 10 more crystals to max out and remove anti grav?
 
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