An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%

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    850
@ilbgar123 Quick question, assuming that we can make Holy Crystals and God or Deity Crystals .... would those fall under the portfolio of the Chaos Gods? Would they able to create/use them?

Cause none of that has ever been mentioned as part of their portfolio but considering they are gods I am a little worried that they might have access to them.

Again, feel free to ignore this, I understand if there are certain questions you don't want to answer. Just figured I'd ask cause I'm very wary of creating them if there's potential for Chaos to make them/use them to.
 
Holy is a refinement of Light and Faith, though the Chaos Gods technically qualify for it. They get a lot less out of it since there's a lot more corruption and chaos to them than 40K Emps/the Empyreal Tyrant, which makes them more closely associated with Unholy.

God and Deity Crystals are entirely indiscriminate.
 
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Holy is a refinement of Light and Faith, though the Chaos Gods technically qualify for it. They get a lot less out of it since there's a lot more corruption and chaos to them than 40K Emps/the Empyreal Tyrant, which is more closely associated with Unholy.
Good to know. I think making them is safe enough, I'm down with it.


God and Deity Crystals are entirely indiscriminate.
I'm sorry to say that I am uncertain what you meant here.

Are they indiscriminate in that anyone can make them and there is no restriction, or are they indiscriminate in that they don't fall under anyone's portfolio and thus Chaos can't touch them?

Also, would regular people be able to make God/Deity Crystals as easily as any other Crystal? I figured that due to what they are they would be somehow tougher to make.
 
No, I meant that any potent Warp entity could use them. They are really, really hard to make. As in, their threshold is 5 times as high as an ordinary Crystal, unless you're a deity already, in which case, they become half as hard as any other Crystal outside the god in question's domains.
 
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Holy is a refinement of Light and Faith, though the Chaos Gods technically qualify for it. They get a lot less out of it since there's a lot more corruption and chaos to them than 40K Emps/the Empyreal Tyrant, which makes them more closely associated with Unholy.
Good to know. I think making them is safe enough, I'm down with it.
On second thought, despite the fact that we get more out of them we might want to wait.

Simply because I'm afraid that with Holy Crystals they might have an easier time converting unprotected people to their worship. I'm sure that if we had a presence on the planet our forces and security measures would quickly detect and put a stop to that sort of thing, but on planets that we just haven't reached yet I fear that it might help their worship balloon a lot quicker then we might expect.

Probably best to wait until we have most of the galaxy under our control, not counting enemy territory of course, before we make that.

Question. Can we ask the Deity to tell us when/if someone else starts developing this for us?

Actually, secondary question. I know you said that they get less out of it because they aren't closely associated with it but they do technically qualify it, but does that mean that they would also have a harder time making it in the first place? Like, would Tzeentch have a harder time creating a Holy Crystal form scratch then he would a, say, Hope or Change or Chaos Crystal?

No, I meant that any potent Warp entity could use them. They are really, really hard to make. As in, their threshold is 5 times as high as an ordinary Crystal, unless you're a deity already, in which case, they become half as hard as any other Crystal outside the god in question's domains.

Good to know.

Well, considering there is 5 of them and we have basically the Crystal Deity, Cegorach, Big E, and possibly us and Magnus, and Cegorach isn't really the strongest while the Crystal Deity and us and Magnus have a lot of growing to do we should probably hold off on this for awhile.

At the very least we should wait till we have created Ynnead first to get our numbers up, and make sure that we've grown strong enough that we can compete and actually matter.

Ask the Crystal Deity to let us know if someone starts making this as well.


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Actually, should we just make these to ensure that Chaos doesn't? The God/Deity ones at the very least are going to be pretty easy for Chaos to make and if they are going to be made we should ensure that we get the bonus.

Yeah, that's my question. Should we make Holy and God/Deity Crystals under the assumption that if we don't Chaos inevitably will and we should at least get the bonus from them, or should we hold off on it and just pray that they don't develop those Crystals?
 
The deity will be aware of anyone making new Crystals. It's not to the level of Bill Cipher's 'see out of any image of himself' but it can definitely tell if somebody's making a new one. Holy is probably best made pre-emptively, since some god somewhere is pretty much guaranteed to make one. God/Diety Crystals require Faith Crystals, so you're probably safe from anybody else making those in the near-future as they require Faith, which hasn't been made yet.
 
Actually, should we just make these to ensure that Chaos doesn't?

Remember, Serras is the largest contributing factor to Runes and Concept Crystals here. Chaos never really bothered to deal with Runes until Serras began being successful . I doubt Chaos would even think to research Holy as a concept when they're too busy playing catch-up with all our other runes.
 
They can use all the first grades that Serras makes, but once the Crystal Deity is 'online' they'll be limited to their domains for higher tiers other than maybe 4 or 5 (for Tzeentch due to his more esoteric powerset making it easier) for the regulars, and that's if they get personally involved.
 
The deity will be aware of anyone making new Crystals. It's not to the level of Bill Cipher's 'see out of any image of himself' but it can definitely tell if somebody's making a new one. Holy is probably best made pre-emptively, since some god somewhere is pretty much guaranteed to make one. God/Diety Crystals require Faith Crystals, so you're probably safe from anybody else making those in the near-future as they require Faith, which hasn't been made yet.
Okay then, definitely making Holy then.

Ask the Crystal Deity to let us know if anyone starts making Faith Crystals. If someone does hopefully it takes them more then one turn so we can consider if we want to swoop in and grab it first for the power bonus or if we just want to hope that they don't finish it off.
 
It would do that anyway. It would literally just teleptahically contact her and say 'Somebody's making ____ Crystals.'
 
That was a placeholder, but Nothingness has... weird requirements. The best pair to work it would be Light and Darkness, but Serras is avoiding the second half of that like the plague.

Nothingness weakens the laws of physics, among other things. Waagh Fields and psykery in general would be more effective, for example, because there would be less resistance to their effects.
 
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That was a placeholder, but Nothingness has... weird requirements. The best pair to work it would be Light and Darkness, but Serras is avoiding the second half of that like the plague.
Understood, no Nothingness Crystals because Nothingness Crystals need Darkness Crystals which would unleash Kingdom Hearts Darkness creatures onto the 40k universe.
 
There's nothing stopping Malice from getting it up to 5 or 6, since he's drawn on enough for some corruption to seep in. In fact, that's what he's mostly been doing ever since the Eye and Maelstrom stabilized from his takeovers of several Daemon Worlds.
 
so yeah....we need light crystals asap.

heck some holy and magic crystals would be hilarious!!! can you imagine the amount of shenanigans with seras meeting the emperor and seras using magic in place of the warp in some simple demonstrations and the emperor just face-palming because of this?
 
There's nothing stopping Malice from getting it up to 5 or 6, since he's drawn on enough for some corruption to seep in. In fact, that's what he's mostly been doing ever since the Eye and Maelstrom stabilized from his takeovers of several Daemon Worlds.
Ai yah, now I want to read omakes of Malice/Malice Daemons taking over Daemon Worlds and their rise to power.
so yeah....we need light crystals asap.

heck some holy and magic crystals would be hilarious!!! can you imagine the amount of shenanigans with seras meeting the emperor and seras using magic in place of the warp in some simple demonstrations and the emperor just face-palming because of this?
Tbf that only happened because of a triple crit existential failure on reality's part.
 
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Hm, I suppose Malice would not be able to raise Darkness crystals to 10 unless he draws more deeply upon the Darkness, which he has chosen not to, for various reasons.

Still, while it is understandable that Serras is avoiding the Darkness crystals for the time being, I hope Magnus will discuss and debate the matter with her eventually. As goes light, so goes darkness. There must be balance between the two, and one cannot exist without the other. Heavy precautions would need to be taken, but it is something to think about in the long term.
 
Do we have inertial dampening/reducing/canceling technology, and if we do what level is it at?

I mostly want just drop pods/tanks/walls/fortresses/whatever to be more widespread.
 
Do we have inertial dampening/reducing/canceling technology, and if we do what level is it at?

I mostly want just drop pods/tanks/walls/fortresses/whatever to be more widespread.
None of those words appear on our Bonuses. Presumably like with many other "miscellaneous tech", those armor/breaks type tech will be made/upgraded/perfected by maxing out Material Sciences.
 
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Hm, ok, so it seems we need to invest Invention points into a Bold Crystal... the effects of which, obviously, would be to make all of @ibgar123's posts be randomly bolded. (It makes as much sense as UnderscoreNothing Crystals.)
 
A World of Daemons Fades Into Shadow (Canon)
Ai yah, now I want to read omakes of Malice/Malice Daemons taking over Daemon Worlds and their rise to power.

Tbf that only happened because of a triple crit existential failure on reality's part.

Like this?

*** The Maelstrom: Names Within Names ***​

The crystal gardens were places of impossible complexity. Literally impossible. They would swiftly crumble and collapse were the Warp Storms to ever fade and the laws of material reality to reassert themselves, but that was incredibly unlikely, the planet mused, as while there were potential futures where it happened, they were perhaps a tenth of a billionth of a percent likely. Although, the future of itself and the inhabitants had grown clouded of late. Had they displeased the Changer of Ways in some manner?

Hm, perhaps the constant change could itself be considered a form of sameness, as the changes were a fact of life, a constant, and therefore something static. Maybe that was the pr- The planet paused, about to contact some of the Greater Daemons on it's surface about it's idea, when an anomaly occurred.

A shadow had appeared where none was before. Light and dark had not been switched in their totality this time, nor was there anything casting the shadow. Shadows now, it noted with the faintest spark of concern. There had been no tremors in the Warp to signal this invasion, as if they had simply slipped through the cracks of it's defenses. Myriad layers of sorceries and traps, from simple spacial manipulations such as the extension of distances, to complexities that made tesseracts seem like straight lines, and there had been no warning.

It reached out a tendril of consciousness towards them, growing truly concerned as the shadows started to rise into three-dimensions and began wandering the gardens, almost appearing to scout. Daemons of some kind? No, a new god being born would have been noticed. That wasn't something you could hide from the mas- It recoiled in shock as it brushed the mindless creature. This was not a Daemon. If it were, Chaos Undivided would be the closest thing to what it represented, though still not right.

This was pure negative emotion. No thoughts, no beliefs, it was more akin to a virus than a Daemon. Speaking of which, the moment it's tendril of being had come into contact with the shadow, the creature froze for a split second, before entering a frenzy. It and it's fellows began smashing crystals, which was immediately followed by tendrils of what appeared to be liquid darkness to rise from the same sort of rift the shadows themselves rose from. Naturally, it began to call in the lesser Daemons on it's surface to kill the interlopers.

The shadows fell to singular attacks, not even requiring effort on the part of Greater Daemons. The problem, was how quickly they reformed. A Daemon could not be killed, save for truly rare circumstances, merely dispelled temporarily. Certainly, a century was a long time for the mortals, but not so long for the denizens of the Warp. These beings were regaining form in moments, with even the smallest and weakest of their swelling numbers requiring less than a full minute to regain their form.

Exhaustion didn't apply to Daemons, but even their luck would eventually run out. It took more than a year for the first casualty amongst the Tzeentchian Daemons to arise. One of the shadows, now numbering in the thousands, arose within centimeters of a lesser Daemon. Naturally, it was put down immediately, but that left the Daemon open to a new type of shadow. Where before they were merely growing in size, retaining their quadrupedal form, this one had been humanoid, and was much, much faster, unfortunately for the unlucky Daemon. Something that looked like a shard of glass was ripped out of it, and liquid darkness consumed it, receding to reveal a new shadow,, with the trappings of classical wizardry. Things went downhill from there.

As more and more time passed, the shadows grew larger and stronger, and casualties began to mount, especially since the subverted Daemons, while lacking in skill, were more powerful, if anything, than before, and were capable of casting potent enchantments to counter the ones used by loyalists. As their numbers swelled, the shadows swarmed around major sorcery sites and constructs in general, dragging them into the darkness oozing into the world. The shadows appeared to be working their way to the former capitol city, as if they were... searching for something.

Attempts to make contact with the master were unreliable and growing increasingly so, as the Warp grew black, similar to how it turned green when the Orks were the dominant psychic race in a location. Even attempting to send Daemons with messages ended in failure more often than not at this point, as the creatures expanded exponentially. Was this how materials felt when a Daemonic Incursion occurred?

It mattered little, as the capitol soon came under siege. At this point, there were shadows the size of Titans, and the enchantments and defenders would have fallen to sheer weight of numbers even if their strongest weren't forced to confront their counterparts among the enemy. Soon, the shadows reached the old capitol building. It had been left with few defenders, as it was not a major hub of debauchery, and was too obvious to be a place of major intrigue, so it had held little importance to the Daemons, but the Daemonworld felt a spike of icy existential terror as the first few shadows, the harbingers of an endless tide directed at this one spot, entered. Was this what the mortals called 'the fear of death'?

Soon the defenders were defeated, and one of the new converts reached behind the throne room the egotistical ruler of this former Eldar world had turned his office into. A keyhole appeared, and then AgOnY. ALL BEGINS IN DARKNESS, AND ALL SHALL SO END.

An almost solid wave of Darkness propagated out as the Daemonworld's Heart was swallowed by Darkness, and with it, the world's allegiance now lay with Malice and the Darkness. The crystal gardens and pools of liquid shadow were replaced by intestine-like surfaces and half-molten objects, with faded, poorly-made murals of the previous states of the world. A mocking monument to what had been lost.

The few remaining Daemons were swiftly hunted down, before the world and it's inhabitants became dormant. With no light to extinguish, they had no reason to do anything. Even the Warp, stained black as it was, was deceptively calm. However, the nearby Daemons quickly learned to refrain from encroaching on the world.

AN: This is set when Malice first got his hands on Heartless, before he decided against using them directly. Think I should threadmark this under Sidestory?​
 
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