An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%

  • Total voters
    851
We can make normal Psykers more stable and resistant to Daemons using technology and Psyker techniques and it's hard to argue that every member of the PDF being able to blow up 50 Orks with their mind is worse then them trying to power up their physical abilities to get into melee range with species that stomp on Humans physically and as such won't be that big of an advantage.
and you seem to be underestimating Chaos's ability to get through those stable and resistant psyker's willpower and corrupt them anyways.
 
and you seem to be underestimating Chaos's ability to get through those stable and resistant psyker's willpower and corrupt them anyways.
No so much underestimate as know that a race of god like Psyker beings made in the image of the Emperor is the logical next step in humanities evolution and that achieving that is worth the risk. Also etching order and purity Runes into their armor or skin should help
 
Should we even make boltors? I mean... How practical are they as weapons? As cool as aachine gun grenade launcher sounds...

Maybe we could make a warp tech alternative?
 
Should we even make boltors? I mean... How practical are they as weapons? As cool as aachine gun grenade launcher sounds...

Maybe we could make a warp tech alternative?
very practical, give every man a heavy bolter, anti grav it so it is one man portable, then have a teleporter behind them constantly supplying them with ammunition, and they will act as a moving hardpoint battlefront, slowly pushing forward and keeping the territory secured while all those with las and plasma guns can move ahead to kill the enemy and have a safe rear to fall back to.
 
Should we even make boltors? I mean... How practical are they as weapons? As cool as aachine gun grenade launcher sounds...

Maybe we could make a warp tech alternative?
Basically what tri2 said Boltors are like automatic, armor piercing, mobile infantry artillery peaces and their only real weakness is weight, recoil and ammunition (well that and not having like 6 more barrels).
 
as opposed to a plasma gun, with infinite ammo, a range of 3KM, a penetration of 20 M of concrete, a beam diameter of 40mm and accuracy of 1cm per KM on full auto and 10 000 shots per minute.
 
@ilbgar123 for the starcraft expies are the nerazim protoss a thing?

They are protoss that removed themselves from the collective consciousness of the species by ritually removing the nerve cords at the back of their heads.

And do the Terran's have their personal (psyker only) and fighter scale cloaking techs?
 
as opposed to a plasma gun, with infinite ammo, a range of 3KM, a penetration of 20 M of concrete, a beam diameter of 40mm and accuracy of 1cm per KM on full auto and 10 000 shots per minute.
Your forgetting to mention the fact that plasma weapons have a much higher rate of misfire and when they do misfire the result is usually quite deadly not to mention the fact that they are much harder to produce and maintain as well.
 
We can make normal Psykers more stable and resistant to Daemons using technology and Psyker techniques and it's hard to argue that every member of the PDF being able to blow up 50 Orks with their mind is worse then them trying to power up their physical abilities to get into melee range with species that stomp on Humans physically and as such won't be that big of an advantage.

Think you are forgetting the fact that people are uncomfortable with handing out the ability to blow up cities to everyone since that is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention that experienced aura users can probably beat up a pretty good fight against Astartes. Imagine what and Astartes with aura can do. So a benefit from it is that it's a power that we can give out without worrying as much due to how much more limited the destruction those guys can do.
 
@ilbgar123 for the starcraft expies are the nerazim protoss a thing?

They are protoss that removed themselves from the collective consciousness of the species by ritually removing the nerve cords at the back of their heads.

And do the Terran's have their personal (psyker only) and fighter scale cloaking techs?

No to the first, very limited for the second as they're not sure how to make more.
 
Think you are forgetting the fact that people are uncomfortable with handing out the ability to blow up cities to everyone since that is a recipe for disaster. Not to mention that experienced aura users can probably beat up a pretty good fight against Astartes. Imagine what and Astartes with aura can do. So a benefit from it is that it's a power that we can give out without worrying as much due to how much more limited the destruction those guys can do.
Yes, Remnant Psykers would be a good stop gap measure on corruption and preventing destruction but I see no reason why we wouldn't be able to create a society of only Psykers as the Eldar do just fine with their entire species being Eldar and we even have an example of a stable Psyker society in Prospero.
 
... tell you what. I am going to be very easy on you. Go ahead and get your facts straightened out and then come back and post your opinion. Otherwise you have no credibility in a debate.

This isn't a rebuttal. A rebuttal would be providing evidence that he was wrong or mistaken, or at least pointing out holes in his logic. This is just you saying he's wrong and not providing any actual backing to support it.
 
This isn't a rebuttal. A rebuttal would be providing evidence that he was wrong or mistaken, or at least pointing out holes in his logic. This is just you saying he's wrong and not providing any actual backing to support it.

So pointing he has no evidence backing up his supposition does not count as providing evidence he is wrong? What universe do you live in?
 
No, it doesn't. Because amazingly people can still be right with no evidence.

Good thing I wasn't going for a rebuttal then. So to make this clear I'm using the good debate policy for this site. King Arthur now has to provide proof of his claim.

Either that or I counter claim that GM word has invalidated his statement and this devolves into utterly useless typing on both side.... wait to late. You, the GM, and horus got involved and took this in a direction that was entirely unrelated and basically wasted my time. Congratulations.

Basically I'm waiting for Arthur to put in even a modicum of effort into his position beyond the 10 seconds they put to type up and then basically copy paste each time.
 
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Good thing I wasn't going for a rebuttal then. So to make this clear I'm using the good debate policy for this site. King Arthur now has to provide proof of his claim.

Either that or I counter claim that GM word has invalidated his statement and this devolves into utterly useless typing on both side.... wait to late. You, the GM, and horus got involved and took this in a direction that was entirely unrelated and basically wasted my time. Congratulations.

Basically I'm waiting for Arthur to put in even a modicum of effort into his position beyond the 10 seconds they put to type up and then basically copy paste each time.

Er, sorry.
 

I'm having a really bad day today...

I spend hours working on my analysis of what invention items should be maxed out for maximum long term growth while not harming short term interests.

Crystal diety is staged for about 4 to 5 turns out. Basically plenty of time with no worries on our side while not selling out our long term growth or other short term interests....

I'm not in this thread for a debate... but at the same time I don't like seeing headless chicken fear mongering that has zero analysis or long term goal reaching... I get enough of that already from just watching modern politics. This is the site I go to to escape that shit.


This blow up was why I said I was being nice by letting him gather his evidence and posting his evaluation. I was attempting to ... not blow up?
 
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