An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%

  • Total voters
    851
hmmmm...perhaps a way to clone his body? have the emperor take his gene's and other critical things and then we push his soul into the soul-stone, all the while carefully insuring as much of his personality remains intact as possible all the while healing any spiritual damage done by the nails. this way we can reconstruct Angron if possible.

the other way is to re-calibrate the nails influence on his brain-chemistry...such as limit its entire affects on violence, and instead become a sort of berserker button that Angron can push...sure he might dull down on the whole anger issue and other emotions, but at least he wont be DYING because of the nails being active SOME of the time and not ALL THE DAMN FUCKING TIME!!!

this would be EXTREMLY delicate and require a shit-ton of runes and other shit to slowly reorganize the damn thing both within the warp AND in reality. require dad-emperor, Magnus, perturbo, and possible some other primarch's nearby to help out. This could be a extremely big boom for the world eaters as they can become Lucid Berserkers on a whim instead of all the time, using the increased battle powerss when necessary as part of the legions fighting capability, allowing more creative and terrifyingly level of competence than just charge at something and hope you get within axe range.

Plus Angron's damn bodyguard could actually do their damn job for once.

On that note: we could end up having one of the most violent Primarch's acting as the super-overprotective big brother who would end up causing a massacre or two because of some imagined slight against Sera's honor. consider that some Xeno's species is going to sooner or later insult her very existence and be complete assholes in such a way that Emps or the other primarch's nearby will launch another grand crusade to completely and utter destroy any trace of them both within the veils of reality and within the twisted nether of the warp...removing their trace of existence from reality and the fabric of creation.

or as the emperor calls it (omake on the way!) *edited for future profit*

THIS IS THE REASON WHY I DONT WANT TO HAVE DAUGHTERS AND I LAUGHED WHEN MALCADOR ASKED WHY I DIDNT....I GET TOO PISSED OFF AT BOYS TRYING TO DATE THEM OR DO THINGS I REALLY DONT WANT TO TALK OR THINK ABOUT WITH THEM!!! MY BABY GIRL'S NOT YOURS!!! NOW GO FUCK-OFF TO THE EYE OF TERROR WITHOUT A GELLAR FEILD ON AND LET THOSE DEAMONS DO TERRIBLE-TERRIBLE SHIT TO YOU LIKE WHAT THAT ONE ULTRAMARINE CAPTAIN LET HAPPEN TO THOSE POOR SODS IN THAT ONE CRUISER THEY WENT ON TO GET SHIT DONE IN THE EYE OF TERROR!!!

ALSO BANNA BRAIN, WHILE ON THE SUBJECT OF MY PRECIOUS BABY GIRL...WHY HAVE I NOT SEEN HER AROUND THE IMPERIAL PALACE? IS SHE ALIVE? IS SHE DOING OKAY NOW THAT DAD'S KIND STUCK ON THIS FUCKING THRONE EVEN THOUGH HER BEST-PROJECT OF MAKING THE INFINITY CIRCUITS OF MANKIND TO PREVENT CHAOTIC ASSHOLES FROM TAKING THE SOULS OF MANKIND THAT ARE ACTUALLY FUCKING LOYAL TO THE IMPERIUM AND HAVING THEM HELP ME GUIDE THE IMPERIUM'S SHIPS TO GETTING PLACES TO GET SHIT DONE IS DOING? ALSO BECAUSE I THINK SHE FROGOT SOME KIND OF MANUAL EVEN THOUGH I HIGHLY DOUBT IT BECAUSE IM GETTING WAY STRONGER THEN WHAT I SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW...BECAUSE I THINK MY SOUL-FRAGMENTATION ISNT REALLY HAPPENING BUT IS CONDENSING MY SOUL TO THE POINT WHERE IM BASICLY BECOMMING A HYPER-NOVA IN THE WARP RATHER THEN THE SUPER-NOVA I ONCE WAS, ALSO IM NOT ROTTING OR ANYTHING, JUST REALLY THIN FROM NOT EATING ANY GOOD TACO'S FOR AWHILE.

WHY ARE YOU BEING SO QUITE?

IF SOMTHING HAS HAPPENED TO HER YOU WILL TELL ME OR OTHERWISE I WILL DESTROY THIS GALAXY AND ALL WITHIN IT WITH ONE MASSIVE FUCKING WARP-STORM OF MY PURE-UNDELUTED-PISSED OFF-MAKING_KHORNE_TELL_ME_TO_TAKE_A_CHILL_PILL_INFURIATEDLY-PISSED OFF!

SO TEL ME RIGHT NOW WHERE SHE IS, WHAT HER LADY-LEGION IS DOING, OR SO ME HELP YOU I WILL BE THE END OF YOU AND EVERYONE YOU CARE ABOUT.
could you continue this with kittens answer i really want to know
 
could you continue this with kittens answer i really want to know

Sure! though this isn't on topic...or at least close to it, but I can do this in the mean-time!

Omake Continued!:

"Ummm....you mean the sisters of battle right...and their...primarch...Sera's? Well....some things have happened since the end of the great crusade and the asssasult by those deviants in the eye of terror the Norsca..."

NORSCA HUH? THATS THE NAME OF THOSE WANNABE WOLF BOYS OF THAT FROZEN ASS PLANET OF ASSHOLE-LEMAN RUSS...WHY ARE WE NAMING THOSE ASSHOLES AFTER THE ASSHOLES OF FERNIS? ON THAT MATTER WHY DO THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY BABY GIRL...TELL ME NOW!

"Erm, my lord, well....its just that those crazy barbarian dudes really don't have the best tech...meaning they only scavenge on the battlefield or just use whatever they can come up with, so chaos isn't really all that of a threat until one of those ever-chosen guys start popping up and the imperium just puts them down at cadia...and as for the Sisters of Battle, daughters of Sera's the most beloved primarch of the imperium. Well not much is known about her after you got punted by that jerk archeon or whatever his name is for some reason because chaos just keeps reviving him for some stupid reason."

THATS ALL FASINATING BUT ISNT TELL ME MUCH ABOUT WHY MY BABY GIRL ISNT AROUND...WHY ISNT SHE HERE!?


"I'm getting to that my lord, its just that once she completed her mysterious project the infinity circuit of mankind, she just...kind of disappeared into the bastion on the western side of the galaxy(?), especially after the high lords just kind of...well...all I really know is that she was pretty miffed about the whole thing, and that during the age of apostasy..."

IF GOGE VANDIRE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY BABY GIRLS DISAPEARANCE IM GOING TO BLOW HIM THE FUCK UP.

"Well, he didn't...I think...because during the age of apostasy Vandire...just...made the daughters of the emperor?"

WHAT?

"Sorry?"

*EMPEROR PISSED OFF, AND IN DISTANT PAST BEFORE VANDIRE CAN DIE FROM PRIMARCH RETRIBUTION...HE JUST EXPLODES IN A CONTROLLED NOVA OF PYSKER DEATH-SCREAM OF PAIN AND SUFFERING THAT CAUSES A NEARBY WARPSTORM TO FUCK OFF*

*return to present day*

"Why do I suddenly remember all the primarch's in the imperial palace besides Lady Sera's and why do I remember that some nameless planet nearby is currently being destroy by a golden warp-storm?"

THAT SONNY IS WHY I DIDNT WANT DAUGHTERS IN THE FIRST PLACE...PLEASE TELL ME SHE IS ALRIGHT, IN FACT I DEMAND THAT YOU SENDA GROUP OF CUSTODIANS...WELL...THE MOST SANE OF YOUR BROTHERS AFTER I SORT THROUGH THEM, TO GO TO BASTION SPACE AND GET MY BABY GIRL BACK HERE...OR RATHER HAVE THOSE ULTRAMARINES DO IT, I DONT FEEL LIKE LISTENING TO THAT MUSIC YOU BOYS SEEM TO HAVE AROUND YOU WHENEVER YOUR BEING...WELL...REALLY UNCOMFTERABLE.

"At once my lord! I must say it would be great to have someone not naked around for once that isn't a tech-priest or those thousand pyskers that are to busy helping maintain the astonomicron."

JUST GO!!!

"I'm going my lord!"

SIGH, I REALLY HOPE MY BABY GIRL IS ALRIGHT AND IS JUST DOING HER TEENAGE REBELLIOUS PHASE OF HIDING IN HER ROOM AND DOING SCIENCY STUFF, HECK SHE MIGHT EVEN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIX THE WEBWAY OF MANKIND, OR AT LEAST PATCH IT UP ENOUGH FOR ME TO DO A QUICK-FIX AND RESTART ON CONQUERING IT SINCE THAT ASSHOLE TZEENTCH POKED A HOLE THROUGH IT. THOUGH I HOPE ROBURTE GUILLIMAN WONT MIND IF I BORROW THOSE RANTING AND CHANTING ASS-CLOWNS ULTRAMARINES THAT ARE MAKING MY HALF-LIFE SLIGHTLY UNBEARABLE...EVEN THOUGH IM STILL WAITING FOR THAT HALF-LIFE 3 GAME...SERIOUSLY THIS IS IMPORTANT, I WILL HAVE TO RESTART VALVE IN ORDER TO GET THINGS DONE....

BUT CONSIDERING WHERE MY BOYS ARE, I MUST SAY THAT TO QOUTE THAT ONE DEAMON FUCK...

EVERYTHING...IS GOING...

JUST

AS

PLANNED!
 
The bit about arcologies made me paradoxically proud and also extremely upset. Proud because science and math helped me actually solve a problem and upset because even though I gave you the math you still did the sci-fi writer thing and made everything too big and too small at the same time. Having 500,000 people inside would mean dedicating every square foot to living space and also make the building ten times larger. At at that population density, 10% of a Terra sized planet would be able to hold 125.525 trillion people, not 1.5. At the numbers I originally calculated, ten percent of the planet should be able to hold 5.555 trillion people. I admittedly haven't actually calculated what the cutoff point before ecological damage would be so I'll give you that. Anyway, rant over.

Does it help that I changed the 500,000 to 50,000? The population limits are the same, but the scale should be less off.
 
Well, these arcologies are 1 per km, to keep someone from puling off giant dominoes(Looking at you Tzeentch!). Also, 100 stories above ground, another 10 below.
 
@ilbgar123 I asked before about a shadow crystals being possibly safer than a Darkness crystal but what about Void?

Is that possibly worse than Darkness since it's all about nothingness?
 
A Void Crystal would probably be most closely linked to Nothing, which is... less bad than Darkness, and with pseudo-Heartless running around in the Eye of Terror, it's probable you'll encounter something similar to Nobodies at some point. Not to say it's completely safe, but even Light isn't completely safe. Not to mention it's got a couple powers you'd otherwise need excessively powerful Light/Darkness to use, or outright require Nothing.
 
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A Void Crystal would probably be most closely linked to Nothing, which is... less bad than Darkness, and with pseudo-Heartless running around in the Eye of Terror, it's probable you'll encounter something similar to Nobodies at some point. Not to say it's completely safe, but even Light isn't completely safe. Not to mention it's got a couple powers you'd otherwise need excessively powerful Light/Darkness to use, or outright require Nothing.
So we should think about making shadow and void crystals along with general crystal upgrades next turn then. Always good to have as many crystal concepts as possible.
 
The thing I dont understand about the Arcologies which confused me is, what in the ever loving fuck are the people living there doing in which they produce so much heat?

I mean, we have cities with tens of millions of people on them around in real life at this very moment in time and temperature is virtually no different between the cities and the surrounding countryside. Tokyo is a city of 30 million people and the temps there are no different to the surrounding non-urban areas.

It makes no sense, especially now that 50,000 people live in the arcologies instead of 500k.
 
Earth's stats

Going by that we'd have 40,070 archologies if we only just have them around the equator and in total that would be able to contain 2,003,500,000 people at your numbers, though they are likely to hold slightly less at about 40,000 people per building which would bring us down to your 1.5 trillion.

Does it help that I changed the 500,000 to 50,000? The population limits are the same, but the scale should be less off.

Well, these arcologies are 1 per km, to keep someone from puling off giant dominoes(Looking at you Tzeentch!). Also, 100 stories above ground, another 10 below.

So yeah.
 
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I wanted to know, since I have seen people knowing a lot about megastructures, with the help of stellar bellows (I think they were called like that), how difficult would it be to create a ringworld? And would there be any benefit to doing so? Besides of being a huge feat of engineering for our bastion, obviously.

I would suspect that it would be both easy to fill the outside face with defences while the inner face would probably be absurdly good as agri-worlds go. Maybe if we dedicated the outer face to production we could mix a forge world and an agri-world?

This is what I am talking about:


EDIT: I realize that the size would depend on the star this is built around, but I suppose that circumstellar habitable zone could be manipulated to an extent with the help of solar panels, or a full-on Dyson sphere if you want to go all the way.

....Come to think of it, wouldn't it be possible to combine the three metal structures?

The stellar bellows could help collect the materials, while a Dyson sphere would allow us to collect immense amounts of energy, and depending on how much we cover said star, we could manipulate how large a ringworld would need to be.

Would this mean that the bigger the star, the better?
 
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Hm, well, it would give you a huge prestige boost, if nothing else. Hm, that gives me an idea for an action. What do you guys think? Would 5 actions to construct a Stellar Bellows and 25 for an Earth-orbit Ringworld work?
 
Hmm What is our planets schooling like? Might want to focus on developing better schools for a few turns just so when the time comes our little sisters get the best education they can. Plus it would fit with the kind of leader we are. We figure out how to make it every child gets a education that lets them become the best they can be.
 
Hm, well, it would give you a huge prestige boost, if nothing else. Hm, that gives me an idea for an action. What do you guys think? Would 5 actions to construct a Stellar Bellows and 25 for an Earth-orbit Ringworld work?

Seems fair, but 20 turns seems like a better number considering our exponential growth in all departments. For the ring world.
 
A rung world would likely be better here, a dyson swarm even more so.

Hm, well, it would give you a huge prestige boost, if nothing else. Hm, that gives me an idea for an action. What do you guys think? Would 5 actions to construct a Stellar Bellows and 25 for an Earth-orbit Ringworld work?

To start a stellar bellows off yes, but we would need 30 to make one whole sale and 20 for the orbital ring.

We'd also need to do quite a few research actions for things like orbital elevators, though they could likely be stuck to the tops of the archologies.
 
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Navigators need both better equipment and a fix to their genetic degradation, soon as in the next turn or two.

Because these guys are going to look like the Human Fly in a two or three generations if something isn't done.
 
Hm, well, it would give you a huge prestige boost, if nothing else. Hm, that gives me an idea for an action. What do you guys think? Would 5 actions to construct a Stellar Bellows and 25 for an Earth-orbit Ringworld work?

Hmm, tempting. However, I think that the other factions would try to step up the game in front of such a sudden rise in power.
 
Hmm, tempting. However, I think that the other factions would try to step up the game in front of such a sudden rise in power.
They're already going to step up their game just by us existing. Besides we still have to get our industry up to par so that we can deal with the Orks before they go Beast, and other horrible stuff lurking in the galaxy like the Rangdan.

We need to escalate really freaking hard, as soon as possible. Otherwise we at best die, at worst...
 
Well, these arcologies are 1 per km, to keep someone from puling off giant dominoes(Looking at you Tzeentch!). Also, 100 stories above ground, another 10 below.
That's still 501 million arcologies on a terra sized planet. Multiply that by 50k and you get a little over 25 trillion people. Although if you mean 10% of that, which is itself only five percent of the planet's surface, then that would be 2.5 trillion people which is close to your number.
Ten extra floors isn't gonna be enough. You'd need another hundred floors just to keep everyone fed. I allowcated 90% of the space to non-living areas for a reason. I'm not even sure why you're so set on increasing the number of occupants.
 
Hm, well, it would give you a huge prestige boost, if nothing else. Hm, that gives me an idea for an action. What do you guys think? Would 5 actions to construct a Stellar Bellows and 25 for an Earth-orbit Ringworld work?
I shudder to think how much material would be needed to build that. Can we make this a long-term goal? XD
 
Well, yeah. That's why it's 25 actions. Speaking of actions. If changed the system a little bit, so that 2 Minor Actions could be used in place of a Major Action, and vice versa, would you guys support that?
 
25 turns for a ring world hmm? Sounds a bit short. We'd need to have the capacity to make around 900 earth sized battlestations a year to complete it in 25 years. (circumference of earth orbit divided by circumference of earth divided by 25.) It'd bring us huge amount of prestige, but also a huge pain to defend. Not to mention that ring will require a ton of active stabilization, since it's an inherently unstable structure. Something to do in times of peace I reckon.

Edit: wrt to 1 major action == 2 minor action, I think keeping it the way it is is fine. I'm all for restricting the number of actions. I personally think we have enough actions as it is.
 
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Navigators need both better equipment and a fix to their genetic degradation, soon as in the next turn or two.

Because these guys are going to look like the Human Fly in a two or three generations if something isn't done.

My omake called an unsetteling offer, which was supposed to be a multi part thing and is in the wrong place by the way @ilbgar123 , was set to at least partially fix the genetic issue with a version of the navigators who had dominant if weakening genetic traits allowing them to have babies with regular humans in exchange for weaker navigators, then they throw in a navigator from another house or something and the children are full strength again, I ran into some roadblocks but parts for the next few sections are up as well in a different post.

Hm, well, it would give you a huge prestige boost, if nothing else. Hm, that gives me an idea for an action. What do you guys think? Would 5 actions to construct a Stellar Bellows and 25 for an Earth-orbit Ringworld work?

They're already going to step up their game just by us existing. Besides we still have to get our industry up to par so that we can deal with the Orks before they go Beast, and other horrible stuff lurking in the galaxy like the Rangdan.

We need to escalate really freaking hard, as soon as possible. Otherwise we at best die, at worst...

Well, yeah. That's why it's 25 actions. Speaking of actions. If changed the system a little bit, so that 2 Minor Actions could be used in place of a Major Action, and vice versa, would you guys support that?

25 turns for a ring world hmm? Sounds a bit short. We'd need to have the capacity to make around 900 earth sized battlestations a year to complete it in 25 years. (circumference of earth orbit divided by circumference of earth divided by 25.) It'd bring us huge amount of prestige, but also a huge pain to defend. Not to mention that ring will require a ton of active stabilization, since it's an inherently unstable structure. Something to do in times of peace I reckon.

Edit: wrt to 1 major action == 2 minor action, I think keeping it the way it is is fine. I'm all for restricting the number of actions. I personally think we have enough actions as it is.

Hm, perhaps 25, after making the Stellar Bellows.

A stellar bellows should take at least about 5 years to become operational, even with Serras helping that should only take the time down to 3 because Serras wouldn't really be involved in the construction, while a ringworld of ANY form should take nearly a century to complete, which is set after designing it even with a stellar bellows set on about 10 stars and consuming all the planets in a system and the nearest ~5 others, we could have Serras take a turn to design the thing, figure out what it will be made of and how to make it and be able to cut about 15 years off the construction time as well by setting up the scaffold but this is going to be a massive project.

I say stick with orbital rings with space elevators and dyson swarms which is just hollowing out or eating every rock in the system to turn them into habitats and towing them in closer to the star and setting an orbit for now, as for engineering I'd say orbital rings or a shell/sphere like some of what you can find here suing something similar to the shell world concept only around a star as a later project.

The only ones that I can see happening in any time frame to be useful against the Orks is the stellar bellows and orbital rings, though starting up a dyson swarm might help as well.
 
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