An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%

  • Total voters
    850
@ilbgar123
Thanks for filling me in on the last set off rune questions. Just got a few more ideas to pop off atm.
1: If the orcs got our Crystals and Runes (Worst case scenario right there), would they reverse engineer them to make our Runes or their own "ORCish" versions?
2:If we make a "disrupt" crystal/rune and put in a runic circuit with Destruction/Dakka/Firearm runes would we be able to make a null field were guns can't fire? (Not useful against orcs or Daemons as it would also affect us as well but Hella useful against the Tau when we run into them if they prove hostile as unlike the other 2 they SUCK at melee)
 
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@ilbgar123
Thanks for filling me in on the last set off rune questions. Just got a few more ideas to pop off atm.
1: If the orcs got our Crystals and Runes (Worst case scenario right there), would they reverse engineer them to make our Runes or their own "ORCish" versions?
2:If we make a "disrupt" crystal/rune and put in a runic circuit with Destruction/Dakka/Firearm runes would we be able to make a null field were guns can't fire? (Not useful against orcs or Daemons as it would also affect us as well but Hella useful against the Tau when we run into them if they prove hostile as unlike the other 2 they SUCK at melee)

Already a problem with Combat Crystals.

Theoretically.
 
Im sorry if this was asked or covered before, then just tell me that i am a stupid idiot but.
We got the regular PDF(are they still called PDF?), and while they got specialized soldiers(Scout, Regular, Medic, Heavy etc...) they are all part of the same big forece right? And while we have Astartes, who are meant to fight almost anything and everything that can be fought as an individual(am i wrong with this? Because Astartes are meant to fight things like Ork's , Eldar and other monsters, xenos, mutants and things the authors can imagine. But they were not designed to fight things like Greater Deamons, some are capable of feats like this but they are anomalies or am i wrong with this too?) and Astartes often act as QRF(quick reaction force) they were not meant to be used like that against every threat, as seen in the great crusade they were meant to be the frontline fighters, the spearheads of the crusade and if the regular couldn't deal with an enemy they were called in, Murder is a great example for this, if the regular troops would have needed to deal with that planet they would propably have decided to orbital bombard the whole planet to pieces.

What im asking is if we got any truly dedicated QRF? Example, Orks attak one of The Bastion's less defended worlds and the threat they pose is not significant enough to send in Astartes(wich then can not be deployed elswhere), who do we send in? A hastily assembled reaction force, a already waiting QRF, a dedicated QRF meant to deal mainly with Orks, nobody? If we got dedicated QRF do we have those for other threats to, like other human politys or Eldar raiders? Or do we simply have a QRF thats build to just deal with anything that just comes up?

My interest in this is that while the PDF soldiers are well trained all around in every known terrain and against every known threat(i just assume this because of our training simulaters and programms), soldiers who specialise in fighting Orks are surely better in fighting Orks compared to soldiers who aren't specialised and ould for example be better prepared for some of the partial or complete unpredictability of Orks and would know better the Do's and Don't's of fighting Orks. The same goes for Eldar, and human doesn't truly need special training if you already trained with/against humans.

and wouldn't it make sense to form QRF's to fight Ork's(if needed, but they propably would be needed because Orks can just apear anywhere they want it seems sometimes and they are i believe the most common xeno threat) out of soldiers that specialise in fighting Orks?

Sorry again if this was already asked or if it is unnecessary, irrelevant or just stupid.
 
Canon Primarch discovery order:
1. Horus Lupercal
2. Leman Russ
3. SUBJECT TO EDICT OF OBLITERATION
4. Ferrus Manus
5. Fulgrim
6. Vulkan
7. Rogal Dorn
8. Roboute Guilliman
9. Magnus the Red
10. Sanguinius
11. Lion El'Jonson
12. Perturabo
13. Mortarion
14. Lorgar Aurelian
15. Jaghatai Khan
16. Konrad Curze
17. Angron
18. SUBJECT TO EDICT OF OBLITERATION
19. Corvus Corax
20. Alpharius Omegon
 
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for our perception: objects skill, was that ever added to our loot rolls in the past like the skill said?

Though the perks for perception: object may be something to consider for better loot rolls, and for perception in general.

Also, the latter combat: ranged perks negate a lot of maluses we will probably encounter, like long range, warp manipulation, zero-g, and so on. Perception: people is also good for higher up social links such as primarchs and the emperor, along with the combat and medicine bonuses.

And also the medicine: surgery and first-aid lines for even better medicine checks and for troop survival near us for our upcomming invasion.

I am mostly just suggesting what synergizis well are good perks to get. A focused group of perks that ggo with what we are good at.

And after the current turn, lets survey and diplomancy again to fill in these gap.

(I hope this post was not too weird.)
 
Fate (AU)(+10 to roll of your choice)
The Fifth Holy Grail War

"...arrive from the ring of deterrence, O keeper of balance ---!"

Atrum Galliasta was feeling quite proud of himself. While he had originally planned to use the scrap of cloak he had found in Georgia, some part of him realized, despite his innate belief in the inferiority of women, that summoning a magus known literally as the Witch of Betrayal may not be the best idea for his long-term health. Instead, he had obtained a copy of Theophrastus von Hohenheim's 'Rediscovery of the Five Elements,' believing Paracelsus would be a better servant and far less likely to betray him.

This would have been worse for him, ironically enough, but he would never get the chance to learn this, as the ritual looked to the book in another fashion, as progress and the spreading of knowledge made manifest. And thus, our protagonist enters the scene.

For Atrum Galliasta, this was a bit of a shock. At the cost of quite a few bottles of expensive alcohol and some high-grade research materials, he had gotten a lot out of the new Lord El-Melloi, including the fact that King Arthur was apparently a girl, but Paracelsus was still very much living memory for the Clock Tower.

"I am servant Caster, and I have answered your call. I ask of you, are you my master?"

Even if this was not in the plan, Galliasta was still a highly trained magus, and could complete a ritual this simple without thinking. Raising his right hand so his command seals were visible, he responded "Yes indeed, I am Atrum Galliasta, and I will be serving as your master in the Fifth Holy Grail War. I have to ask, are you von Hohenheim?"

"No, my name is… is that your laboratory in the basement?"

"Hmm, oh? Yes, it is. Impressive, is it not? It will surely be an advantage in the war with the amount of Od available, giving you the power to use your magecraft far more freely. Your mana rank may be off the charts, but every bit helps, no?"

Whatever he was expecting, the sheer look of hatred visible on Caster's face was not it. He reacted quickly, beginning the syllables of a Command, but it was not nearly enough. Caster gestured with her hand, and a bolt of white light entered his left eye, and he knew no more.

-/-

When he woke up, it was in a mundane jail cell. To him, that would be no big deal, while his hypnotism was mediocre, preferring elemental and weather attacks, the skill needed to get himself out by hypnotising a guard, and then mind-wiping them all, was simple even to a beginner. All he had to do was activate his magic circuits…
Activate his circuits…
Activate his…

By the root, the witch had removed his circuits! And, now looking at the back of his hand, his command seals, too! He sat back down on the bench, and noticed a newspaper on it. The front page had his face across it, labeling him as a mass kidnapper and murderer, and implying he was a satanist of some sort.

In the back of his mind, in a tiny part that was not yet consumed with dread about the loss of all his research and talent as a magi, noted that satanism was actually very different, and animal sacrifices generally worked better. He figured this was not going to convince any judge. He still had a few contacts left, after burning a lot to get prepared for the Grail War, so could probably get out, but without his circuits, he wasn't sure if he should bother. Life in prison may even be preferable to the mockery of his 'peers'.

-/-

A tall woman with bright blond hair looked out over the British Channel, standing above the cliffs of Dover. As she looked out over a world she had not seen outside memory, she begins to morph, hair growing darker and shorter, and features changing from British to Japanese. "So, Fuyuki, huh. This should be interesting." she muttered, before vanishing in a muted clap.

-/-

Sakura Matou was not having the best day. Senpai had to leave to school early today, to do some work that someone else should have done already, and was busy all day helping Issei do something or the other. She wouldn't even be able to see him at archery club either, because she had 'family obligations' to attend to. She'd be summoning Rider soon, and Grandfather insisted she have the maximum mana available for it, to maximize the servant's power, despite the fact that it would be crippled by the use of False Attendant's Writings. Yet there was something else, some vague feeling… like someone was following her? No, she was pretty sure it was nothing.

As she entered the house (She refused to call it a home. That was the Tohsaka Manor, once, or Senpai's house) she heard a whisper in her ear, asking her to stay still, and that she (that is, the voice) would handle it. She turned quickly, but didn't see anyone, though this didn't surprise her too much, as ventriloquism was a fairly basic trick for a mage, but to bypass the formidable defenses surrounding the house was quite impressive. But she might as well, sitting down on the step up into the house proper, figuring it would be interesting to see what happened, and it was not as if doing so would make Grandfather any less disappointed, or Shinji yell less. (Or either be more gentle, but she tried not to think about that) A couple of minutes later, she felt the worm in her heart, and then the rest, begin to stir, shortly followed by stillness. And then, them dissolving? What?

A moment later, the voice, now an average-looking Japanese woman, appeared, carrying a limp Shinji. She must have let some of her concern show on her face, as while there was no lost love between the two of them they were still siblings, and Sakura was aware that some of Shinji's hate came from her and her magic circuits, so the woman was quick to interject that he was not dead, merely unconscious, and that she would alter his memory a bit as she took him to an orphanage in Sendai. Sakura was pretty sure she was in shock by this point.

A few minutes later when she returned, she introduced herself as Caster. Her subsequent explanation of her behavior honestly reminded her of Senpai, all heroic-like, though she clearly had more power to back it up. After a brief discussion, Sakura agreed to let Caster stay in the house, to help finish up healing her and as Caster had no actual place to stay. (She would have been fine in a hotel, she insisted, but Sakura would not have any of it) And she wanted to meet Senpai too, so tomorrow (a weekend) would be a very interesting day.

Things were finally looking up for Sakura Matou. Sakura Tohsaka? No, for now at least she would be Sakura Salnus.

-/-

Aŋra Mainiiu was getting excited. Though the grail war hadn't yet begun in proper, conflict had already started. Though no servant had yet to die, it was only a matter of time now. In the massive cavern of Ten no Sakazuki, he lied in wait.

Then, all of a sudden, five figures appeared. Two were clearly masters, one possessing a great internal holy light, the other the remnants of a false grail vessel. Two were clearly servants, one with a bright shining sword that matched the first master, almost certainly the one who destroyed the container last time, the second a woman with long purple hair and a blindfold. The final… burned.

Burning with order, good, and repentance, Aŋra could not stand in her view. He felt himself dissolving under her aura, melting away to nothing. The last thing he heard, before being purged completely, was the woman, saying "about a week until I'm sure I've purged it completely." Ironically, as he faded, he actually began to feel better. The sins of humanity, he realized, were being stripped away.

-/-

Gilgamesh watched, no longer surprised, as Caster shrugged off or deflected yet another volley from the Gate. He had already tried most of his other plans, to no avail. Attempting to get a range advantage with the Vimana proved pointless when Caster merely began flying. Enki, the bow that is the Harbinger of the End, found the arrows of light and the surge of Utnapishtim deflected and controlled. The clairvoiance of Sha Naqba Imuru also found itself outmatched, though Caster's supernatural dodging seemed lessened. Even the Chains of Heaven, his beloved friend, failed to take hold, despite her divinity, it seemed her mobility could surpass even it. At the very least, she had noticed it for what it is, and treated it with respect. That alone would have proven her worthy for this, even had she not astounded him again and again before. It was time, then.

For the first time since the battle had begun, he saw actual shock, and possibly a bit of fear, in Caster's eyes. He didn't blame her, by all accounts, the 'Sword' of Rupture was like nothing else in the world. But to her credit, she began casting in some far-off language, ending with something more familiar, Hebrew. As the blast of Enûma Eliš progressed, it suddenly halted. Honestly, Gilgamesh was hoping for this. All this promise, just to be defeated at the end so simply? But with this, he was actually gaining an appreciation for humanity. When (if never entered his mind) he won, he would actually do better, and help humanity out. It would be the least he could do to honor someone of Caster's ability.

-/-

A compromise was eventually reached between the surviving masters and servants, that the power of the grail would go towards stopping future catastrophes. The Incineration of Earth, the Velbers, Wheat and Angel Notes, and whatever else Atlas was preparing for, not having any of those occur was something they could all agree on. With Gilgamesh counting as five or so servants, most of the others were able to continue living on after the war, with the exception of Archer and Assassin. And well, if the Clock Tower ever came to investigate too closely, five servants is a threat no one wants to tangle with.
 
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He'll just be happy someone who isn't narcissistic (Fulgrim) or an asshole (Ferrus) will happily spend time with him in the forge. Also, Sentinels and Salamanders will probably be some of the closest friends among Astartes.
To be fair, Fulgrim wasn't that bad until he picked up the Laer Blade. I'm sure they'd all appreciate a friendly Forging competition. Are Perturabo and Rogal good at Forging or just Invention/Electronics?

But yeah as far as Astartes Legion Bros go, Salamanders, Blood Angels, Silver Sentinels, and possibly reformed (as in RH-esque) World Eaters or Emperor's Children will be bros.
 
So, a thought came to me.

My version of Emps is aware that Chaos eats emotions, he simply underestimates how much they get out of it, mostly because they weren't very active until Slaanesh showed up.

He could very easily hard sci-fi-up the setting, as Serras has been doing, but he hadn't started until Serras did. I believe this was intentional, as he might think the current population of the galaxy insufficient to fuel conscious Chaos gods, but a hundred times as many would be quite different.

He likely planned to hard sci-fi the setting after Chaos was put into a torpor, reforming them with their positive aspects dominant while they couldn't interfere, but with Serras actively spreading Arcology designs and absurd population caps across her space he's basically like (2:30) since he's not going to have someone deconstruct a big chunk of their civilization unless absolutely necessary (Chaos worshipers) without some serious explaining (with Chaos he can claim they're worshiping malevolent xenos and nobody will bat an eye) because he doesn't have time for the nasty civil war that would cause. You'll probably get an Arcology upgrade once Terra and it's orbit is secure.
 
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So, a thought came to me.

My version of Emps is aware that Chaos eats emotions, he simply underestimates how much they get out of it, mostly because they weren't very active until Slaanesh showed up.

He could very easily hard sci-fi-up the setting, as Serras has been doing, but he hadn't started until Serras did. I believe this was intentional, as he might think the current population of the galaxy insufficient to fuel conscious Chaos gods, but a hundred times as many would be quite different.

He likely planned to hard sci-fi the setting after Chaos was put into a torpor, reforming them with their positive aspects dominant while they couldn't interfere, but with Serras actively spreading Arcology designs and absurd population caps across her space he's basically like (2:30). You'll probably get an Arcology upgrade once Terra and it's orbit is secure.
Why though. Would a more peacefull and stable space empire be better able to contain them. He didnt even properly sprrad out the psychic knowldge. No matter how smart he is a billion scientist would have had better results. Especially they would be super humans of the fedration.
 
Why though. Would a more peacefull and stable space empire be better able to contain them. He didnt even properly sprrad out the psychic knowldge. No matter how smart he is a billion scientist would have had better results. Especially they would be super humans of the fedration.

Uh, do you mean the Federation would have done a better job? Because Chaos wasn't really an issue then and psychic weirdness was their biggest weakness.

His plan is to make a stable space empire, where he can shut down any dangerous avenues of research with the absolute authority he's grabbing, then, once Chaos is too drowsy to do anything, up the psychic energy levels of the galaxy through good old-fashioned increasing the magnitude of soul numbers, and since the stable empire will have a net positive soul-energy balance, that will reform Chaos.
 
Tens of thousands of years worth of justifiable pride.
Makes sense.
Uh, do you mean the Federation would have done a better job? Because Chaos wasn't really an issue then and psychic weirdness was their biggest weakness.

His plan is to make a stable space empire, where he can shut down any dangerous avenues of research with the absolute authority he's grabbing, then, once Chaos is too drowsy to do anything, up the psychic energy levels of the galaxy through good old-fashioned increasing the magnitude of soul numbers, and since the stable empire will have a net positive soul-energy balance, that will reform Chaos.
Yeah i meant would the fedration not be a better chance to be succesful instead of a empire. Like empires are by desgin to be dependent upon a single person. So does he not consider his chance of faliure.
Also he could have made better more secure AI as they were such a large part of society.
 
So, I want to make a Crossover-Omake with Eve Online, in that the Eve Gate opens up shortly after The Emperor has unified Sol and the next couple of Systems. To reclaim their old homeworld, the empires of New Eden have made an alliance of convenience. Considering the factions of New Eden don't rely on the Warp for their FTL. They use warp-drives, that go around 1-2AU/s for their biggest ships without any modifications for intra-system travel and use Stargates for Inter-System Travel. They also have Jump Drives that can basically open up Wormholes to big enough gravity wells and tools to create those gravity wells artificially. Capsuleers and Dust Mercenaries are included in the invasion force. How do you think it would go?
 
So, I want to make a Crossover-Omake with Eve Online, in that the Eve Gate opens up shortly after The Emperor has unified Sol and the next couple of Systems. To reclaim their old homeworld, the empires of New Eden have made an alliance of convenience. Considering the factions of New Eden don't rely on the Warp for their FTL. They use warp-drives, that go around 1-2AU/s for their biggest ships without any modifications for intra-system travel and use Stargates for Inter-System Travel. They also have Jump Drives that can basically open up Wormholes to big enough gravity wells and tools to create those gravity wells artificially. Capsuleers and Dust Mercenaries are included in the invasion force. How do you think it would go?

Depends on how their infantry stacks up to Space Marines. Emps can trivially total the fleet with a miniature Warp Storm any time since the Astronomicon isn't up.
 
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