An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%
  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%
  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%

  • Total voters
    851
Our build relies heavily on our magic to work
That's not true at all, when the imperium has formed, only three others are our betters in close combat which means that even without our Psyker powers, we are capable of slaughtering hundreds with nothing but a blade in our hands.

Our build would be accurate to say is that of a "Magic Knight" merging Arcane Might with Martial Prowess.
 
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Nah, the ships aren't actually fixed. All we did is take all the fragments that were present and re-order them properly. There's a lot of matter and mass still missing, plus weapons and all that.

Honestly, it'll be hilarious if our big contribution is ensuring that the Mechanicus goes more "Scientist" than cargo cult in this timeline. Like, we have proof positive now that they're right about all the Machine Spirit stuff, because we regularly talk to them.

But I think it's far more likely we'll start out with a sub-sect and then slowly expand into a bigger one.
Saving Ferrus Manus could help prevent the Mechanicus from getting too blinded by dogma. He dealt with knowledge hoarders preventing distribution of technology on Medusa, could ensure the same on Mars.
 
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that only skill wise and only limited to human only

Angron, Emperor and Russ may have more combat perk then us

heck, they may even have special perk for them that we just plain don't
And if we started to spec more into combat perks to bring the Knight part of our build up to snuff with our "Magic" we could surpass Russ and Angron.
 
That's not true at all, when the imperium has formed, only three others are our betters in close combat
There really ought to be six Primarchs who are Serras' equal or superiors in close combat.

Russ, Angron, Lion El'jonson, Konrad Curze, Horus and Sanguinius.

Russ and Angron are cqc beasts, and in the tabletop, Russ can beat everyone including Horus like a ginger stepchild. The Emperor's executioner indeed.

Konrad Curze isn't what you'd consider a CQC beast but his precognition abilities have let him stalemate Sanguinius on Maccrage.

Then the Lion proved himself to be Curze's better when he bested the mad bastard not once but twice and even taking him before Sanguinius in chains.

Sanguinius, is just really, the best of the best and further supplemented by his precognitive abilities. The man is a beast.

Finally, Horus gets high on Chaos steroids.

And if we started to spec more into combat perks to bring the Knight part of our build up to snuff with our "Magic" we could surpass Russ and Angron.
Russ beat Magnus "I can stop time, crush battleships with my mind and fight Titans one on one, "the Red. During their fight on Prospero, Russ crushed Magnus so badly that Magnimagic's soul splintered and he spent years in a near death state before Ahriman and the Thousand Sons could gather enough Shards to save him.
 
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Not realy Magnus was winning that fight Russ only won cuz he got lucky.
You think Magnus, a time stopping Psyker of immense power was winning the duel to the death match against Leman, a non active Psyker ? When the duel ground to a stalemate that Leman won ?

Ahriman reached the mighty portal, and saw a battle between two brothers that was unparalleled in its savagery, power and folly. Magnus and the Wolf King struggled with the fate of a world balanced on the outcome. Forking traceries of lightning shot upwards from the ground, isolating them from the host of Wolves and Custodes.
Russ rained blow after blow on Magnus, shattering the horned breastplate, and in return Magnus struck his brother with a searing blast of cold fire that cracked his armour and set light to his braided hair.
It seemed as though the combatants had swollen to enormous proportions, like the giants they were in the myths and legends. The Wolf King's frostblade struck at Magnus, but his golden axe turned the blow aside as they spun and twisted in an epic battle beneath the madness of a blazing storm of sheet lightning and pounding thunder. This was a battle fought on every level: physical, mental and spiritual, with each primarch bending every ounce of their almost limitless power to the other's destruction.
The waters around the pyramid broke upon the shores, black as oil, and churning as though an unseen tempest boiled beneath the surface. Space Wolves and Custodes ploughed through the water, wading through the crashing spray to reach the pyramid in lieu of aiding Leman Russ in his battle. Magnus swept his hands to the side, and the warriors on the water cried out in agony as it transformed into corrosive acid, burning through ceramite plates and rendering flesh and bone to jelly.
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The epicentre of this destruction was Magnus and Russ, and Ahriman watched the two titans wrestle with the bitter enmity reserved only for those who had once called each other friend. Such a contest of arms was the most desperate thing Ahriman had ever seen. He wanted to rush forward and remind them of their former kinship, but to intervene in such a planet-shaking conflict would be suicide.
Ahriman had cautioned his warriors not to wield their powers for fear of the flesh change, but Magnus showed no such restraint and battered Leman Russ with fists wreathed in fire and lightning. Russ was a primarch and such powers as could shatter armies had little effect on him save to drive him to higher fits of rage.
Magnus drove his fist into Russ' chest, the icy breastplate cracking open with a sound like planets colliding, and shards of ceramite stabbed the Wolf King's heart. In return, Russ snapped Magnus' arm back, and Ahriman heard it shatter into a thousand pieces. A blade of pure thought unsheathed from Magnus' other arm, and he drove it deep into Russ' chest through his shattered armour.
The blade burst from Russ' back and the Wolf King loosed a deafening bellow of pain. A chorus of the wolves that were not wolves added their howls to that of their master. The two enormous lupine monsters that accompanied Russ leapt upon Magnus, fastening their jaws upon his legs. Magnus slammed his fist into the black wolf's head, driving it to the ground with a strangled yelp, its skull surely shattered. With a bellow of anger, Magnus tore the white wolf from his leg with a thought and hurled it away over the heads of the milling army at Russ' back.
[...]
Ahriman looked past the approaching monsters to see Magnus and Russ locked in battle high above the causeway, the furious horror of their struggle obscured by ethereal fire and bursts of lightning. A flare of black light erupted and Russ cried out in agony. His blade lashed out blindly and struck a fateful blow against his foe's most dreaded weapon: his eye.
In an instant, the pyrotechnic cascade of light and fire was extinguished and a stunning silence swept outwards. All motion ceased, and the titans battling on the causeway were no more, each primarch now restored to his customary stature.
Ahriman cried out as he saw Magnus reel back from the Wolf King, one hand clutched to his eye as his shattered arm crackled with regenerative energies. As broken and bloodied as Leman Russ was, he was brawler enough to seize his opportunity. He barrelled into Magnus and gripped him around the waist like a wrestler, roaring as he lifted his brother's body high above his head.
All eyes turned to Russ as he brought Magnus down across his knee, and the sound of the Crimson King's back breaking tore through every warrior of the Thousand Sons' heart.P


Leman was fighting the infinitely superior combatant on paper and won so badly that Magnus' soul shattered from the loss.
 
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Not to be rude but :Citation Needed:.

I cant post the entire fight but there were parts where Magnus would have killed Russ if not for him getting hlep

Russ grabbed the offending arm and snapped it like a branch. Magnus speared his brother with a blade of pure thought formed around his other hand. As Magnus held his brother transfixed and prepared to finish him off, the two wolf companions of the Primarch leaped at the legs of the Crimson King, sinking their jaws into his flesh.

A roar of agony from above, followed by a second, separate, louder one directed all attention upwards. Magnus had struck Leman Russ with a particuarly concentrated sorcerous attack, wounding the Wolf King again, but causing him to lash out randomly with his blade in response.

The tip of the blade swept across Magnus's remaining eye. In the instant after Magnus reeled from this blow.

If it was not for him having hil wolfs our the fact that he got in a lucky hit then he would probably have died.
 
Yeah. Leman's 30K stats are out, and he stomps the ever loving fuck out of every other Primarch in a one on one.

Nobody else is even remotely in his league, and trying to compete with him and the other CQC monster Primarchs is a fool's game.
 
What? He was about to be killed the wolfs saved him.
Heh. You think one stab was gonna end the fight, really ? Russ would've kept on kicking and beat Magnus even without the Wolves providing that nanosecond of distraction.

Even on Tabletop, Russ fighting any other Primarch including a fully buffed Magnus left all the challengers DEAD.

Leman Russ - 1d4chan:


The only ones who can even stand a snowballs chance are heavy-hitters in the range of Horus, Fulgrim, Angron with maximum attacks, Ferrus Manus, Perturabo and a fully buffed Magnus. In addition a Transfigured Lorgar might be able to tar pit him for awhile (though don't expect him to actually win). But I do mean snowball, even these guys barring some amazing rolls will probably lose virtually every fight (including Horus).
 
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Heh. You think one stab was gonna end the fight, really ? Russ would've kept on kicking and beat Magnus with or without the Wolves.

Yes, he was alredy wounded and he was "transfixed " So yes I think that he could have taken him out with one blow after that. Als Magnus was fighting of other Space wolf forces whilst fighting Russ and he was still wining.
 
Yes, he was alredy wounded and he was "transfixed " So yes I think that he could have taken him out with one blow after that. Als Magnus was fighting of other Space wolf forces whilst fighting Russ and he was still wining.
If you'd actually read the fight, which I posted. Magnus put on a little light show that diverged all of Russ's allies. Also am I suppose to be impressed by a planetary scale Psyker putting on a light show to keep it 1v1 ?
 
Lets just agree that primarchs are bullshit, and most of canon runs off of people getting it on with mele. So it makes a better story that the planet leveling psyker is annihilated by the mele fighter Russ. Because even chaos has a hardon for mele.
 
You did not post a fight and, no the wolves saved him.
Wtf are you talking about ? I posted all the revelant parts including the parts you left out. The Wolves were there for a second at most then got kicked out. Russ beat Magnus on his own merits.

You think Magnus, a time stopping Psyker of immense power was winning the duel to the death match against Leman, a non active Psyker ? When the duel ground to a stalemate that Leman won ?

Ahriman reached the mighty portal, and saw a battle between two brothers that was unparalleled in its savagery, power and folly. Magnus and the Wolf King struggled with the fate of a world balanced on the outcome. Forking traceries of lightning shot upwards from the ground, isolating them from the host of Wolves and Custodes.
Russ rained blow after blow on Magnus, shattering the horned breastplate, and in return Magnus struck his brother with a searing blast of cold fire that cracked his armour and set light to his braided hair.
It seemed as though the combatants had swollen to enormous proportions, like the giants they were in the myths and legends. The Wolf King's frostblade struck at Magnus, but his golden axe turned the blow aside as they spun and twisted in an epic battle beneath the madness of a blazing storm of sheet lightning and pounding thunder. This was a battle fought on every level: physical, mental and spiritual, with each primarch bending every ounce of their almost limitless power to the other's destruction.
The waters around the pyramid broke upon the shores, black as oil, and churning as though an unseen tempest boiled beneath the surface. Space Wolves and Custodes ploughed through the water, wading through the crashing spray to reach the pyramid in lieu of aiding Leman Russ in his battle. Magnus swept his hands to the side, and the warriors on the water cried out in agony as it transformed into corrosive acid, burning through ceramite plates and rendering flesh and bone to jelly.
[...]
The epicentre of this destruction was Magnus and Russ, and Ahriman watched the two titans wrestle with the bitter enmity reserved only for those who had once called each other friend. Such a contest of arms was the most desperate thing Ahriman had ever seen. He wanted to rush forward and remind them of their former kinship, but to intervene in such a planet-shaking conflict would be suicide.
Ahriman had cautioned his warriors not to wield their powers for fear of the flesh change, but Magnus showed no such restraint and battered Leman Russ with fists wreathed in fire and lightning. Russ was a primarch and such powers as could shatter armies had little effect on him save to drive him to higher fits of rage.
Magnus drove his fist into Russ' chest, the icy breastplate cracking open with a sound like planets colliding, and shards of ceramite stabbed the Wolf King's heart. In return, Russ snapped Magnus' arm back, and Ahriman heard it shatter into a thousand pieces. A blade of pure thought unsheathed from Magnus' other arm, and he drove it deep into Russ' chest through his shattered armour.
The blade burst from Russ' back and the Wolf King loosed a deafening bellow of pain. A chorus of the wolves that were not wolves added their howls to that of their master. The two enormous lupine monsters that accompanied Russ leapt upon Magnus, fastening their jaws upon his legs. Magnus slammed his fist into the black wolf's head, driving it to the ground with a strangled yelp, its skull surely shattered. With a bellow of anger, Magnus tore the white wolf from his leg with a thought and hurled it away over the heads of the milling army at Russ' back.
[...]
Ahriman looked past the approaching monsters to see Magnus and Russ locked in battle high above the causeway, the furious horror of their struggle obscured by ethereal fire and bursts of lightning. A flare of black light erupted and Russ cried out in agony. His blade lashed out blindly and struck a fateful blow against his foe's most dreaded weapon: his eye.
In an instant, the pyrotechnic cascade of light and fire was extinguished and a stunning silence swept outwards. All motion ceased, and the titans battling on the causeway were no more, each primarch now restored to his customary stature.
Ahriman cried out as he saw Magnus reel back from the Wolf King, one hand clutched to his eye as his shattered arm crackled with regenerative energies. As broken and bloodied as Leman Russ was, he was brawler enough to seize his opportunity. He barrelled into Magnus and gripped him around the waist like a wrestler, roaring as he lifted his brother's body high above his head.
All eyes turned to Russ as he brought Magnus down across his knee, and the sound of the Crimson King's back breaking tore through every warrior of the Thousand Sons' heart.P


Leman was fighting the infinitely superior combatant on paper and won so badly that Magnus' soul shattered from the loss.
 
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So no it showed that Magnus was about to win if not for the wolfs and the only reason that Russ took down Magnus was that he got a lucky hit in Magnus one eye he would have died if not for that.
They were stalemated then Russ won. Prove that telepathic sword was a potential fight ender. Russ had one of his hearts punched out and still kept fighting.
 
They were stalemated then Russ won. Prove that telepathic sword was a potential fight ender. Russ had one of his hearts punched out and still kept fighting.

So if he lost his then he would have died Russ had lost one heart he could not move and Magnus was about to strike that sounds like a death to me. And the only reason he won at the end of the fight was pure luck.
 
So if he lost his then he would have died Russ had lost one heart he could not move and Magnus was about to strike that sounds like a death to me. And the only reason he won at the end of the fight was pure luck.
Where the blooming hell does it say that Russ couldn't move ? It says he screamed in pain, Wolves popped in for a cameo, got kicked out then later Russ broke Magnus.
 
Looking to this quest, rather than canon power debates, we should really get all the psyker creation perks now. With what we've now learned we can boost control and psyker safety in two ways, and more psykers mean we can make more of them. This is a virtuous circle, as we can make them more powerful as they create blocks to give them more control. The bonus on psyker checks would also be absolutely amazing.

I also think we should take Toolbots, and get on the Innovation train, if we can afford it. We should take the crystals and combine them with regular 40K psytech, and see what we can produce. Things like psychic focusing architecture and macro-scale wards may be possible.

As a side note, given the problems the Eldar are currently having, we now have a trade good they may pay a lot for. Greater inherent control over their psyker ability/nature may be very valuable for them right now.
 
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