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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.5%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 379 44.5%
  • Total voters
    851
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Yun said:
It is important to keep in mind that the poor copy of the Butcher's Nail Angron implanted in his Legion makes them very uncomfortable around librarians alongside inevitably killing any of psyker implanted with one due to uncontrollable release of psychic energy, and Angron's version takes everything those do up to 11 alongside it progressively taking over functions of his brain.

In addition to that good luck trying to get one of the highest willpower Primarchs who will lash out at anything Warp related to cooperate with a delicate surgery, and none of the Primarchs are weak in raw psychic power most simply lack the training to use their abilities.

Lastly as demonstrated by Ferrus Manus being decapitated a Primarch dying releases a lot of energy so ripping Angron's body apart to remove the Butcher's Nails would probably end violently for everyone involved.
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step 1: reprogram nail to only provide its life support thing
step 2: done, no surgery
Chief18753 said:
Then, please give me an in universe explaination as to why the Emperor, the technopath supreme didn't consider it viable. Something besides "the Empra is totes evils and didn't care" because, as i keep repeating, a Thinking Primarch would be an infinitely superior asset.
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citation for technopath supreme part plz, I am trawling through whatever sources I have for emperor related feats, so far only thing I found was healing the knight machine leg.
 
tri2 said:
to do list
step 1: reprogram nail to only provide its life support thing
step 2: done, no surgery

citation for technopath supreme part plz, I am trawling through whatever sources I have for emperor related feats, so far only thing I found was healing the knight machine leg.
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Are you seriously fucking questioning the fucking Emperor's skills in a psychic power ? This is just sad. I feel sad for you.
 
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tri2 said:
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step 1: reprogram nail to only provide its life support thing
step 2: done, no surgery
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So you're planning to use a psyker ability that involves Serras dominating machinery with her mind on another Primarch who registers it as a part of himself due to it functioning as a replacement for his brain? Like can you not see why that would be a terrible idea when all Primarchs are Psykers, and Angron is far superior in direct combat?
 
Chief18753 said:
Are you seriously fucking questioning the fucking Emperor's skills in a psychic power ? This is just sad. I feel sad for you.
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contrary to popular belief the Emperor is not the end and be all of psykerness. if he was I think terra would have survived much more intact from when the MOI rebelled.
Yun said:
So you're planning to use a psyker ability that involves Serras dominating machinery with her mind on another Primarch who registers it as a part of himself due to it functioning as a replacement for his brain? Like can you not see why that would be a terrible idea when all Primarchs are Psykers, and Angron is far superior in direct combat?
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now this is IMO a much more valid point and concern.
 
Advance Education = Necron Cryptek

Advance Esoteric = Eldar Farseer

Would that make Advance Culture something Ork Waaagh related ?
 
Yun said:
So you're planning to use a psyker ability that involves Serras dominating machinery with her mind on another Primarch who registers it as a part of himself due to it functioning as a replacement for his brain? Like can you not see why that would be a terrible idea when all Primarchs are Psykers, and Angron is far superior in direct combat?
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So power level psychology or teach him to fix himself.
 
tri2 said:
contrary to popular belief the Emperor is not the end and be all of psykerness. if he was I think terra would have survived much more intact from when the MOI rebelled.
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Yeah, aha. Just keep telling yourself that. And what an excellent time period to point out, one in which we have no god damned clue what happened in to clearly prove that you're right.
 
Chief18753 said:
Then, please give me an in universe explaination as to why the Emperor, the technopath supreme didn't consider it viable. Something besides "the Empra is totes evils and didn't care" because, as i keep repeating, a Thinking Primarch would be an infinitely superior asset.
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As was already pointed out, we don't have anything pointing to Big E being a high level technopath...but realistically? Because GW says so. Because things must be a crap-sac and Chaos will be protected from. It's own failings. Because the in-universe explanations don't make sense. It's part of why 40K seems so popular for fit-it fics. And frankly, relying dogmatically on canon for a series as canon questionable as 40K in an AU Fan-Quest of all things? Really man?

Why don't you tell us why he can't be healed. Not 'because the book said so'. That book isn't this quest. What about the Nails, from your knowledge of them, and of Seras' potential skills makes them impossible to fix?

For that matter, how does reprogramming the Nails count as entering Angron's mind? They're a separate entity, that's kinda the source of his problems. He's got no control over them.

Chief18753 said:
Yeah, aha. Just keep telling yourself that. And what an excellent time period to point out, one in which we have no god damned clue what happened in to clearly prove that you're right.
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Way to make a retort without actually proving any-damn thing. 'I think you're wrong. Nothing shows x is true!' 'Well, too bad, you're wrong. X is totally true, you'll see!'

Can you not see the issue with trying to make a response like that?

Edit: To be clear, since we lack information, the one trying to make a baseless assumption is the one on worse philisophical ground. You started with assuming he's a master technopath. He said you've got no evidence. You said he's got no evidence that you're wrong. Unfortunately, you really can't pull that kind of logic without sinking your own argument. All you're going to get in the end is a feed-back loop and a failed debate.
 
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tri2 said:
contrary to popular belief the Emperor is not the end and be all of psykerness. if he was I think terra would have survived much more intact from when the MOI rebelled.
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And you expect us to be somehow better at psykerness then him?

Primarchs are lesser beings then the Emperor, point blank. The reason Horus managed to throw down against Big E was because he was massively hopped up on Chaos juice.
 
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Nalanaya said:
As was already pointed out, we don't have anything pointing to Big E being a high level technopath...but realistically? Because GW says so. Because things must be a crap-sac and Chaos will be protected from. It's own failings. Because the in-universe explanations don't make sense. It's part of why 40K seems so popular for fit-it fics. And frankly, relying dogmatically on canon for a series as canon questionable as 40K in an AU Fan-Quest of all things? Really man?

Why don't you tell us why he can't be healed. Not 'because the book said so'. That book isn't this quest. What about the Nails, from your knowledge of them, and of Seras' potential skills makes them impossible to fix?

For that matter, how does reprogramming the Nails count as entering Angron's mind? They're a separate entity, that's kinda the source of his problems. He's got no control over them.


Way to make a retort without actually proving any-damn thing. 'I think you're wrong. Nothing shows x is true!' 'Well, too bad, you're wrong. X is totally true, you'll see!'

Can you not see the issue with trying to make a response like that?

Edit: To be clear, since we lack information, the one trying to make a baseless assumption is the one on worse philisophical ground. You started with assuming he's a master technopath. He said you've got no evidence. You said he's got no evidence that you're wrong. Unfortunately, you really can't pull that kind of logic without sinking your own argument. All you're going to get in the end is a feed-back loop and a failed debate.
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I keep yelling at you lot about what's in the books and why I don't think certain things will work because other wise this is just a fucking Fix Fic pretending to be a quest. Compounded by the fact that the character has just mainly leveled up all the damn time.

I'm basing my claims that the Emperor is a master technomancer because he's a master at damn everything. Because he's a Psyker to outshine al other Psykers. But yes, I don't have any actual sources that prove he's a master technomancer besides the fact that he's proven himself to be a master at everything psyker.

But honestly, if you want to just keep rubbing yourself dry to your own glory about how the character will surpass the benchmark of psychic power and knowledge in the setting, then fine. Keep wanking off. I'll piss off and leave with the nasty book stuff that you don't want to hear.
 
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And even without proof of his capabilities if we use the mechanics of this quest as a guideline, unless Golden Boy has been sitting on his ass, eating potato chips for the entirety of the 30+ millennia of his life, the amount of stat increases, perk selections etc that he has been able to gain is a mountain to our molehill.

Experience matters and he has more experience then we will ever have even if we manage to live up to 40k.

This isn't going to be a fix-fic/quest (or at least, I really hope not). We simply seem super awesome right now because we are a oversized fish in a very small pond.
 
Yeah. Honestly, we can't fix everything. The best we can do is the best we can do.

Honestly, just unlocking some Advanced Skills is something I wasn't expecting. Since it means we can actually be rewarded for really, really specializing. Education: General 200 unlocking what seems to be the Cryptek Science tree is just delicious
 
Chief18753 said:
I keep yelling at you lot about what's in the books and why I don't think certain things will work because other wise this is just a fucking Fix Fic pretending to be a quest. Compounded by the fact that the character has just mainly leveled up all the damn time.

I'm basing my claims that the Emperor is a master technomancer because he's a master at damn everything. Because he's a Psyker to outshine al other Psykers. But yes, I don't have any actual sources that prove he's a master technomancer besides the fact that he's proven himself to be a master at everything psyker.

But honestly, if you want to just keep rubbing yourself dry to your own glory about how the character will surpass the benchmark of psychic power and knowledge in the setting, then fine. Keep wanking off. I'll piss off and leave with the nasty book stuff that you don't want to hear.
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jwolfe_beta said:
And even without proof of his capabilities if we use the mechanics of this quest as a guideline, unless Golden Boy has been sitting on his ass, eating potato chips for the entirety of the 30+ millennia of his life, the amount of stat increases, perk selections etc that he has been able to gain is a mountain to our molehill.

Experience matters and he has more experience then we will ever have even if we manage to live up to 40k.

This isn't going to be a fix-fic/quest (or at least, I really hope not). We simply seem super awesome right now because we are a oversized fish in a very small pond.
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you both have valid points and I retract my previous position. though I do have to wonder, does make a machine heal itself actually count as technomancy? sounds more like creating matter from the warp and then using technomancy with telekinesis/manipulation to create new parts and integrating it with technomancy.
 
Nah, the ships aren't actually fixed. All we did is take all the fragments that were present and re-order them properly. There's a lot of matter and mass still missing, plus weapons and all that.

Honestly, it'll be hilarious if our big contribution is ensuring that the Mechanicus goes more "Scientist" than cargo cult in this timeline. Like, we have proof positive now that they're right about all the Machine Spirit stuff, because we regularly talk to them.

But I think it's far more likely we'll start out with a sub-sect and then slowly expand into a bigger one.
 
Anyway, Tagwise.

We should definitely focus on Tagging our last Psyker Skill. After that, I think we should focus on Invention--as it'll be a huge boost to uplifting.

As for our boosts... Two ways we can do that. But honestly, I'm more inclined to focus on using them to spike our Control as hard as we can--given how that's historically kind of lagged behind.
 
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Chief18753 said:
That got reconned. The Warhounds were the ones to teleport him. Besides that's idiotic. Angron thinking and biologically immortal is superior to a thoughtless berserker on a timer. Why bother abducting him if you're not gonna ensure he's performing at peak efficiency.


"As Captain of the Legion's 8th company, Kharn earned glory for himself as the War Hounds conquered planets and systems in the Emperor's name. However, it was not until the Legion were reunited with their primarch Angron that Kharn's true rise to power, and his descent into damnation began.

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When the Warhounds discovered Angron they rejoiced at being reunited with their Primarch, taking knee before him and offering up the leadership of the Legion. TO their dismay, Angron, having little interest in the crusade or the Imperium, turned his back upon them. In the end, the Legion forcibly teleported Angron onto their battle barge, sealing him in a cargo hold.

Convinced that they could change the Primarch's mind the captains and the commanders of the War Hounds entered the hold to make their case. One by one Angron killed them all, until Kharn - as one of the few officers of his rank - was the only one brave enough to face the homicidal giant.
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Why would the warhounds do that? You know, instead of dropping onto the planet to fight gloriously along with their Primarch?

That both makes no sense and is OOC for space marines in general.
 
aattss said:
Btw can we, like, mass produce just one kind of stat crystal? So all the psykers have over-leveled Control? And then distribute these control crystals across the Imperium, thus making Chaos have an overall harder time subverting everyone?
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If 5 a year holds for other people, this may actually make psykers safe. That's huge. Especially if others can make them...

Larekko12 said:
Also we have a nice childhood. Orc murder, demon murder and all aside. Our parents are nice and competent and not dead. So we aren't running head long into the problems of our terrible social stats that aren't convincing people, and leadfoot.
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Which has probably saved us from being horribly fucked up, mentally. I'm glad we didn't pick the death world.

jwolfe_beta said:
And you expect us to be somehow better at psykerness then him?

Primarchs are lesser beings then the Emperor, point blank.
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False. Why, Leman Russ beat the Emperor at two contests! Clearly the emperor has been wasting his time learning science and sorcery, and thus naturally failed to gain the most important skills: binge eating and drinking. /s

Seriously though, this can only be answered by the qm, and won't be relevant for ages. Can we postpone the Angron Nail debate until we meet him?
 
Alectai said:
As for our boosts... Two ways we can do that. But honestly, I'm more inclined to focus on using them to spike our Control as hard as we can--given how that's historically kind of lagged behind.
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Agreed, but why not use this next turn to boost Combat to 25 for the perk real quick since it's currently 20? With the free point we're getting each turn, that would only be 4 actions.
 
I'd rather spike Control up to the next bracket myself before we get in a big fight. Our build relies heavily on our magic to work, and the more Control you have, the safer you can use your Magic.

Honestly, the sooner we have it up to 50 to get the Paragon Trait, the happier I'll be, but that's not really doable.
 
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