the turtloids are awesome and I love any plan that uses them by default, but they definitely aren't hero unit material. we want to give them an actual team mate not a vehicle.
Aiding the E.G.G.M.A.N. (Sonic)
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Could be good for the pilot Eggpawns if we turn the turtloids into fighters.
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Sir Plusse
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What Zoltan said. Personally, I won't even be considering anything below mid-boss level at this point.The "Turtloids" Badnik design is big enough to carry other Badniks?
It could be given pop up Cannons like a Blastoise too, maybe a deployable Clasp like the Grabber Badnik has too?
[X] Past Badniks the good doctor has created a wide variety of machines in the past, perhaps bringing one of these older machines up to date could be of aid to your creator.
-[X] Hey Ho
-[X] Hey Ho
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[X] All armies need their infrastructure, you should put some work into the topic.
If we have better infrastructure we might have more resources to spend on upgrading our badnicks.
If we have better infrastructure we might have more resources to spend on upgrading our badnicks.
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Going back to an earlier suggestion for our team As cool as having a spliced badnik as a team EGG member is you have to remember a majority of Oldschool badniks we're both easy to deal with alongside being incredibly frail because of there simplicity and the ones that weren't we're usually because of Quirks in either there design or placement that made them a threat that might not mesh well with other parts from different models.
Besides In terms of badniks primarily basing it off the green hill set is not exactly ideal, there first game first stage enemies and it shows even limiting it to just badniks in sonic one isn't the greatest either and the only flying badnik with any real proverbial meat on its bones besides the turtleoid I can think of is CDs buzzbomber variation unless there's some obscure ones in the 8-bit/game gear games.
In terms of aerial EGG machines we don't have alot of options Hey-ho is the best mini-boss tier badnik we have left available (though that's not a high bar to cross compared to most of its competitors which are more like repurposed failed EGG-MOBILE modules than actual badniks) unless we build something new from scratch instead.
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Sir Plusse
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Sounds about right. And I, for one, can't think of anything to do for an original design that isn't completely and utterly cliche.
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The only other decent candidate we have is an EGG-Robo and that depends if and a big IF at that we can get the doctor to throw us a bone in the form of an older EGG-MOBILE to use with them, to help resolve the whole older badniks crumple like tin-foil against the heroes issue since the knuckles sonic 3&K campaign it was the same base model unit battling the red echidna all campaign the only difference from the ones in sky sanctuary being it was in an EGG-MOBILE during all encounters and the Sky sanctuary ones we're not.
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Are the Chao egg research topics still viable? I was hoping to do energy to matter conversion.
Are the Chao egg research topics still viable? I was hoping to do energy to matter conversion.
[X] One of Metal Series, Silver Sonic, Mecha Sonic, Mecha Knuckles, Metal Knuckles, or even the prototype any one of these machines could be a potent force if brought up to spec.
-[X] Egg-streme Metal Sonic. Between it and the Egg Brain, Eggman ultimately used his resources at the time to create us. Maybe we can see if we can salvage something of it's plans...
-[X] Egg-streme Metal Sonic. Between it and the Egg Brain, Eggman ultimately used his resources at the time to create us. Maybe we can see if we can salvage something of it's plans...
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So to keep discussion and interest in this thread going if we got access to the complete sonic multiverse (basically any continuity) sonic X, Archie, IDW, cannon modern timeline, Neo-classic, Boom, Etc
What are some of the worlds you would want to invade first? Personally I'd vote for Sonic X myself for a few factors such as despite falling on the AOSTH side of the Robotnik scale (incompetent but very imaginative with his machines) the majority of this counterpart's machines are still pretty grounded in reality despite this so we won't get blindsided by stuff like Cartoon logic very often if at all While our own could steam roll a good amount of the counterparts.
The majority of hardships that this version of sonic and company have (or will face depending on when in there timeline we enter) are comparatively Easy street in comparison to that of things that the likes of Archie, IDW and Fleetway face and wouldn't be as well equipped to handle us as a result.
The final one is a full set of Chaos Emeralds and Master Emerald to play with that should function near if not identical to our own/Cannon ones for us to Nab for those sweet sweet research paths.
What are some of the worlds you would want to invade first? Personally I'd vote for Sonic X myself for a few factors such as despite falling on the AOSTH side of the Robotnik scale (incompetent but very imaginative with his machines) the majority of this counterpart's machines are still pretty grounded in reality despite this so we won't get blindsided by stuff like Cartoon logic very often if at all While our own could steam roll a good amount of the counterparts.
The majority of hardships that this version of sonic and company have (or will face depending on when in there timeline we enter) are comparatively Easy street in comparison to that of things that the likes of Archie, IDW and Fleetway face and wouldn't be as well equipped to handle us as a result.
The final one is a full set of Chaos Emeralds and Master Emerald to play with that should function near if not identical to our own/Cannon ones for us to Nab for those sweet sweet research paths.
I'm tempted to say the OVA just to see what would happen. I never read archie but from what little I know I'd say to stay the hell away from it. I know even less about fleetway, but I think it would be managable in an invasion. IDW would honestly probably be the most straightforward, it's got the least deviations from the main timeline (so far) and the only things that I'd be especially concerned about there are the Zeti and the warp topaz, which now that I'm thinking about I really want to steal.
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While I agree Archie would be near End game level difficulty and the only thing I personally would want to risk it all going there is acess to some Willy tech from the megaman series because of the crossover events such as Flashman's time stopper and the tech of the Devil line of robots are some of the items that are outside of the Doctors typical wheel house that interested me. But that relies on us making a smooth entrance and exit during either crossover events and we have no guaranteed as to when in the timeline we will land so if we went to Archie we could land anywhere in the timeline.
There are other items native to that world at least pre-reset that I'd like to get a look at the biggest is there version of E-107 theta which was so hard to kill and dangerous in the light mobius timeline had to be sealed away alongside the likes of Ixis Nagus and mammoth mogol the kind of entities that can reach a dangerous to the local reality there sitting in tier of power.
On IDW yes it's a much more relatively safer choice than Archie but on the flipside outside of having a chance to get particular toys to play with not easily accessible in our timeline like Gemerl (since FROG stated we ain't getting acess to Emeral or other Gizods until chronicles at the end of the timeline if at all) or potentially getting some other future tech early or some missed unique pathway tech the only big notable thing outside of the Topaz and Tricore is the zombot virus which I personally wish to make sure we don't get acess too considering how its been shown how it easy can spiral out of control and go wrong there isn't much else worth going there for.
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TheOmnimercurial
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Well there is always the "Flyzipper" Badnik?
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So, MP Gammas seem to be closer to reoccurring bosses, or at least mini-bosses. I wonder how they compare, both in performance and cost, to the E-1000's, not counting the clearly superior AI.
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... We really need to make an Avatar for the Brain soon if we are to actually start to interact with the plot in the coming adventure. But I see no one is voting for metal tails, so...
[X] Past Badniks the good doctor has created a wide variety of machines in the past, perhaps bringing one of these older machines up to date could be of aid to your creator.
-[X] Hey Ho
[X] Past Badniks the good doctor has created a wide variety of machines in the past, perhaps bringing one of these older machines up to date could be of aid to your creator.
-[X] Hey Ho
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[X] Past Badniks the good doctor has created a wide variety of machines in the past, perhaps bringing one of these older machines up to date could be of aid to your creator.
-[X] Hey Ho
Well been awhile since I last actually voted in this. Also recently found some interesting GUN related videos...
-[X] Hey Ho
Well been awhile since I last actually voted in this. Also recently found some interesting GUN related videos...
Sir Plusse
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Well, there's the obvious basics of "stronger, faster, and tougher;" those're useful to almost any design, and, as Alpha proves, can be more than enough to qualify a design as an elite all on their own in sufficient quantities.
Aside from those, the only potential "upgrades" I can think of are alternate weapons, which it can't use all of at the same time (well, unless "more arms" shows up at some point). But then, I just woke up, so I'm obviously having trouble thinking at the moment.
wasn't Hey Ho fought in a fire level? I'm gonna say a flaming axe would be a good upgrade. we could probably also mount guns or grenade launchers or something on his shoulders.
Sir Plusse
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No, he's fought in a forest (which is not on fire, at least as of the time you fight him). I knew this even before double-checking because I distinctly remembered one of his attacks being chopping down trees to throw them at Sonic.
Not sure if the flaming axe thing would make sense with that in mind, but the mounted weapons do sound like a decent investment. Hell, I'm not even sure the axe needs an upgrade at all if it can cut through that much wood in one swing.
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Bomberfett343
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While I'd personally prefer us to stay off sonic and friends radar for as long as possible, I can see the appeal of getting to have a more direct hand in the story but we've still got bigger issues to deal with this Arc such as making sure the Events of SA2 come out not only as a net positive for the doctor but also that the ARK doesn't crash into the planet.
If we still have time leftover maybe? But we've been putting off the flight component of Team EGG for awhile now and the Avatar being suggested is a Copy-bot which is ineligible because we've already got a slot filled with Sliver Sonic who falls under the Copy-bot category.
Sir Plusse
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Yeah, we don't exactly have combat software since we're designed to be a research assistant (an even bigger obstacle than not having a body of our own). That means our biggest hopes for survival are staying out of the crosshairs of whoever comes after Eggman, and having a big, badass bodyguard just in case someone does come too close during the "trash the base" phase of battle.
Which means any Tails-based Copy-bot will have to be programmed as an independent unit instead of remote-controlled, primarily because we don't know how to fight even if we get a body capable of combat. Like, you know how Gamma dominates in spite of a theoretically-inferior frame due to sheer skill? Invert that- we'd lose even with theoretically-superior capabilities because we have no idea how to use them.
On an unrelated note: @KidFromPallet Are you gonna update the research sheet to add the MP-Gamma we designed? Are you even still here? Did a search and you haven't posted anything for like two weeks now...