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[x] Hold the line - You're not going to abandon the 504s but you're not an assault force

we don't have the tools for a close range fight. lets give them some covering fire from here, those crazy bastards.
 
[X] Hold the line - You're not going to abandon the 504s but you're not an assault force

OK, this is seriously screwy. Grenades, but no guns?
 
[X] Hold the line - You're not going to abandon the 504s but you're not an assault force

Support sounds good.
 
I know it might be predictable*, but would it be possible for us to get out of the tunnel and come around behind the Imperators? We'd have to cross the forest floor, but we did just train our troops in doing that.

*We always seem to do this.
 
sebsmith said:
I know it might be predictable*, but would it be possible for us to get out of the tunnel and come around behind the Imperators? We'd have to cross the forest floor, but we did just train our troops in doing that.

*We always seem to do this.
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Yes. It's two hundred metres of stairs down, you will probably need to go two pillars over, and then climb two hundred metres of stairs back up. I didn't include this right away because your men will take long enough that they won't be able to affect the current battle if they do that.
 
Okay, they apparently have the idea to pry off enough of the bark to create shields (When it's a pain in the ass to work that it required us a significant research project to get anything useful out of it). And have actual high explosive Grenades, but they don't have even chemical slugthrowers?

That tears it, someone's propping the Imperators and the other raiders up as either a buffer or a distraction. Someone at least as technologically well-off as Greengraft.
 
[X] Charge! - You need to break those lines and eliminate their launchers

Morale. It's a thing. Our men might not be ideally equipped for melee, and we may take some casualties, but if we stand back and let the 504s get butchered they're going to break.

If we follow up on their charge, it WILL help them (coping with momentum and the pure mass of bodies pushing on you in a shield wall is actually a big thing), and more importantly it will reassure them that they're not the only ones getting bled to death in this little fracas. Because getting in a fight while your allies stand back and watch you die? Not good for keeping that fighting spirit up and making you want to protect those wankers from the grenade-tossers.

Another charge will also do some shitty things to the Imperator's morale. Very much including the grenade tossers, who are going to be faced with the dubious choice of either putting down their grenades and fighting the hard way or killing (and pissing off) their buddies by throwing more grenades.

If we don't offer the 504s some immediate support, we may get an opportunity to shoot again, but the Imperators will get a chance to throw more grenades. That would screw us over properly.
 
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Night_stalker said:
And whoever it is, can spare HE.....

Tell 504 NOT to dismember the leader too much. We need answers.
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Spare HE for what amounts to being Chaff.

Because if these guys stumbled upon a cache, they'd probably have at least basic guns, as those are generally going to be more common then grenades. Grenades still requires them to get in pretty close to be effective, so they're not actually a huge threat to a well armed force (The shields just mean it takes a bit longer to kill them, and any serious weapons like our SAWs give no fucks)

So, either they basically found a box of grenades somewhere with no guns, or someone's fueling them with grenades, but has access to other military scale weapons that basically makes the Imperators a non-threat, so at least equal to ours.
 
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Alectai said:
Okay, they apparently have the idea to pry off enough of the bark to create shields (When it's a pain in the ass to work that it required us a significant research project to get anything useful out of it). And have actual high explosive Grenades, but they don't have even chemical slugthrowers?

That tears it, someone's propping the Imperators and the other raiders up as either a buffer or a distraction. Someone at least as technologically well-off as Greengraft.
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You have enough information to make a good guess as to what is going on, if you know what to look for.

You will also now remember that there are opportunity costs in this game, time being one of the bigger ones.
 
Alectai said:
Spare HE for what amounts to being Chaff.

Because if these guys stumbled upon a cache, they'd probably have at least basic guns, as those are generally going to be more common then grenades. Grenades still requires them to get in pretty close to be effective, so they're not actually a huge threat to a well armed force (The shields just mean it takes a bit longer to kill them, and any serious weapons like our SAWs give no fucks)

So, either they basically found a box of grenades somewhere with no guns, or someone's fueling them with grenades, but has access to other military scale weapons that basically makes the Imperators a non-threat, so at least equal to ours.
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Like I said, I want a leader alive. Because they can tell us where those grenades came from.
 
Yeah, and we're obviously not the only ones fanning out, or came out in an okay condition. This is just the first time we've openly seen the hand of a rival.

This is kind of the flipside I suspect--our foundation is virtually 100% secure, and the other major powers in our area are largely considering us the least of many evils, considering we've largely dealt fairly with them all in spite of the dickery, and while the 504s and the Dragonflies loathe each other, they're both largely tolerant of us.

So, our foundation is secure, but we expanded slower then other factions might have, given how quantity is a quality of it's own, and others may have also been lucky and secured STC caches like we did for our guns.

On the other hand, we can actually Afford to project power too without worrying about our rearguard exploding on us, while our theoretical rival actually has to make use of cannibals and raiders as a buffer, and those sorts hardly make for good soldiers. Opportunity Costs to spending time getting your house in order, but it's not like getting our house in order was a bad idea either.
 
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[X] Charge! - You need to break those lines and eliminate their launchers
-[X] eliminate their grenadiers first then take their commander captive if possible

-we need to break them, we need to do it now while the 504's forces occupy their center!
 
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[X] Charge! - You need to break those lines and eliminate their launchers

Fine, we'll bleed and die with the soviets...though if we don't break them now, it'll be alot of bleeding and dying.
 
[X] Charge! - You need to break those lines and eliminate their launchers
 
[X] Fall back - You need to get your men out of range of those launchers so if the 504s break you can use your superior weapons to tear the Imperators to pieces

If the 504 want to defy our command authority and just plain be stupid, let them. We are under absolutely no obligation to be stupid along with them to bail them out. In any case, they appear to be winning, and in the confines of the tunnel there is a finite number of troops which can be brought against the frontage at once regardless of how many are tasked. Large numbers of 504s getting themselves killed by not listening to us is in our long-term interest.

If they bitch about it later, the appropriate response is: "you imbeciles broke ranks without orders and ruined our tactical advantage by engaging the enemy in exactly the worst manner possible. Grow up."



Alectai said:
Okay, they apparently have the idea to pry off enough of the bark to create shields (When it's a pain in the ass to work that it required us a significant research project to get anything useful out of it). And have actual high explosive Grenades, but they don't have even chemical slugthrowers?

That tears it, someone's propping the Imperators and the other raiders up as either a buffer or a distraction. Someone at least as technologically well-off as Greengraft.
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-or, they have a universal constructor, but only the templates for explosives, not guns. -or, they took the "cultivate grenade fruit" research option in the Recycler base specifically designed around researching local flora and have high explosive pineapples that they don't want to risk setting off by refining into projectile propellant. Ample high explosives also explains how they are conducting carpentry without modern tools.




-oh, for the love of- let the ham-fisted idiots get themselves killed. It is not our problem and certainly not our responsibility.
 
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just looked at the front page and at our buildings, it seems like building another temple would be useful if we time skipped...
 
Wow, just read all of this in one go. This is an amazing story. :D


[X] Charge! - You need to break those lines and eliminate their launchers
-[X] eliminate their grenadiers first then take their commander captive if possible
 
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