Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
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- United States
Mirande: Prepare my bib.
Age of Strife
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so a campaign against them will either a)do nothing or b)draw the attention of another dark seer.
okay we need to totally do this now, mirande's soul hasn't had a good meal in awhile.
if the eldar want to serve up such a luscious feast on a silver platter? Well we will gladly thank them for the meal. (by eating the rest of them.)
Besides we could actually take a dark seer now judging by our willpower stat
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... Except a Dark Seer, while having approximately the same willpower, will also have maxed out disciplines in everything, shitloads of greater powers, and other dirty tricks.
We're literally a century too early to fight another Dark Seer reliably. Probably more like a few centuries.
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Then we tag team it with Mag.
Just another reason to go find Mag.
I want our husbando back...
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Why is the assumption that Jinah would be converted via brainwashing? She is a traumatized teenage sociopath with delusions of grandeur and severe trust issues who has been kidnapped, imprisoned, and turned into a laboratory experiment via threat of nuclear airstrike by a masochistic madwoman who won't even show her her face and who represents the very same polity who so mistreated her her entire life. What little connection she has there is so fragile that taking a few weeks of vacation would shatter it.
On the other hand, Blackthorn is notoriously democratic and mutant and psyker friendly while fielding experienced psykers. They can credibly offer her a free life of respect, admiration, and power. That's before considering that she is a teenage girl with parental and abandonment issues and the apparently supernaturally charming psyker boy who is the only boy like her she has ever met and is under the mentorship and protection of the only successful and respected man like her she has ever met might be a cute boy.
"If she flips it must be because of psychic mind hax" is a dangerously optimistic attitude and doesn't seem to reflect a proper understanding of the nature of Jinah or her current relationship.
On the other hand, Blackthorn is notoriously democratic and mutant and psyker friendly while fielding experienced psykers. They can credibly offer her a free life of respect, admiration, and power. That's before considering that she is a teenage girl with parental and abandonment issues and the apparently supernaturally charming psyker boy who is the only boy like her she has ever met and is under the mentorship and protection of the only successful and respected man like her she has ever met might be a cute boy.
"If she flips it must be because of psychic mind hax" is a dangerously optimistic attitude and doesn't seem to reflect a proper understanding of the nature of Jinah or her current relationship.
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I don't think that the danger of her flipping lies in mindhax, for what it's worth. I can definitely see the scenario where it's tempting. But I also think that she has the knowledge and good sense to realize why Black Thorn as it probably is now is a time bomb.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Actually, we only need the tools to reliably deflect pyromancy, block most telekinetics, and complete mutual shrouding for divination. After that all we need is a decent roll to hit. This can be done by bruting lesser/standard control flame, and lesser/standard barrier, as well as simply ham-handing our future telling. We out-willpower them, so we can use weaker powers rampantly pushed for basically no consequence, even in extended scry vs. scry.
1. The delusions of grandeur are cured(humble and temperate)
2. Imprisonment isn't exactly the case, as she's basically got free access to a large portion of the equivalent of a palace and trolls people online for fun.
3. She's not a lab experiment, as she's literally only been called in to do so once, and most of the requests were on our powers, or so it seems.
4. She didn't come from a Green Owl affiliate or Green Owl, reread it.
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The Great One
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- Everywhere
While I see your point, those backward hippies will definitely try and keep up with us.
That might weaken the veil and our luck with that particular phenomenon has been... unique.
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We probably do have to re-adjust our risk sense a bit. I mean, we just waltzed into the forest alone against an unknown psyker, and this turn we're about to take an abused teenager into a tense negotiation in the hope that she might help if it becomes a combat situation, and that she won't betray us and have to be killed. We don't really see any great risk in this.
For that matter, more than two thousand of our citizens died last turn. What was our reaction? "Darn, we might want to do some future telling. Eh, we'll get to it eventually, I guess. Maybe."
The telekinesis is the problem here. Even with pushing, we can't match the power of a dark seer at full blast. In addition, we don't out-willpower them enough to make force a certain obliteration, and if they escape then they can come back 30 minuties later with a D-cannon or something.
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Ignoring the Dark Seer debate because it bores me, I will say that hopefully next turn we'll do something, since AN/Anna explicitly called us out on the 'not doing anything to help anyone' thing.
We don't actually outwillpower them. The Dark Seer had 65 willpower. We have 63. So yeah, we'd still be way behind on stats/disciplines/powers/manifestation scores.
We're not going to be ready for that kind of fight in the next decade. Not a chance in hell.
-because of her extensive education in geopolitical history and current events? She is a feral teenage girl, not a tenured professor of realpolitik with an emphasis on super-double-secret demon-spewing mind powers. She only has the word of the masochistic madwoman who imprisons, isolates, and conducts involuntary human medical experimentation on her while constantly hiding behind a mask and threatening to nuke her if she doesn't cooperate that her powers carry any more danger than she has herself seen, much less that Blackthorn is a time bomb instead of an opportunity to be greatly rewarded and admired for reaching her full potential. From her perspective Blackthorn could easily look like the Good Guys and Green Owl like the evil empire run by crazy cultists who are trying to brainwash her. Mirande just casually implied the she wouldn't even realize it if she had been preemptively screwing with her head all day long just to pull her strings and that she should keep that in mind before talking back. Right now the thing that is making her humble is fear, and Blackthorn has the argument that all the psykers are working together with an accepting general population. Blackthorn would give her real friends who know what she is going through and who would have her back instead of pointing nukes at her.
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Okay this is verging into some seriously dangerous straw men, especially after Powerofmind already called out your first bunch of inaccuracies.
She's not feral any more, she has her own senses to give her corroboration that Mirande is telling the truth (And given the context in which she picked up Humble she seems to be pretty clued in on that, as it turns out), there are no involuntary medical experiments just practicing powers in front of scientists, and we've had a year to catch up her education a bit.
You're VASTLY overstating things here and you need to ease it back like three notches.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Well no, we don't. All of the 'bad stuff' and even the surprise goodie was rated at 'particularly slim' no matter what we did. We'd have to subjectively roll total shit in at least two categories for this to become a turnabout, and we're due for at least 20% less shitty dice after that incredible double critical failure.
I suggested we rotate 'doing something for Anna' with a psyker hunt or dragon hunt for the next couple years, where we FT every other year or some such just to keep up appearances so we can actually earn powers the way we were supposed to, the way we haven't done since we started playing the character in year 20 something.
Forgot to get to this before, but I just want to say, it's not JUST in case of combat that we want Jinah. That's a big upside, but this is also a trust and skills-building thing.
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saying it again.
should've gone independent.
greengraft is proving to be fucking leech draining us of time we could be using to recover.
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to be fair i wouldn't actually blame her if she joined on those sort of grounds.
I'm actually getting more and more tempted to just say fuck it to green owl myself.
its a hindrance to our growth in my opinion.
ungrateful bastards, we saved the entire fucking planet... and our sister turns us into a religious figure head and takes the polity we were supposed to rule out from under us and down several undesirable paths.
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It does seem like FT is soft-locked for next turn. In general, I would not be opposed to keeping it on. Jinah's spontaneous gain of virtues has been ridiculous enough that I wouldn't mind dropping to one training slot for her.
We're getting a net gain of actions, actually. So no, incorrect. We're spending 5 actions on just college and training our own powers this turn. We get 6 actions when we're just sitting in our apartment doing whatever we feel like.
So yeah, we're doing the right thing.
We have to start trusting her some time, she's gotten A+ marks on everything so far, and trusting her here will build her trust in us in turn. It also allows us to impart some important lessons (Let's be honest, Mirande learned 90% of everything she knows in the field), and it gives us an asset if the shit hits the fan.
I don't think it's too optimistic at all, honestly. I think it's a pretty realistic step to take.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Given a few more turns, we'll start having net gains on total action count compared to what we would have had independent. While I, myself, would have preferred it outright for more gravetender power, we've managed to do surprisingly well enough that I can grudgingly say it wasn't a totally bad idea.
In terms of action efficiency, we have currently performed exactly 6 actions that are solely-self centered, counting the actions this turn we have done 14, a net gain of 2 actions. I suspect that some of our personal actions would have also held considerably greater power had we gone independent. It's not just about action gains, but about action effectiveness, as well.