Kill her own shard restrictions, take over everything with QA.

Theoretically possible, but we've already seen what happens when the restrictions are suddenly removed(Khepri's mental degradation). And that happened when only some of them were lifted. I suspect her head would explode if ALL of them were to suddenly vanish.
 
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Going to be hard to sell the idea to Grue, I'll have you know. Remember he need Coil's help currently to make sure he get the custody of Aisha. And he wanted nothing to do with her to start with.

Grue is the least useful Undersider, and probably the dumbest member to boot, having functionally unmasked himself to a supercriminal he doesn't even know the name of in order to gain custody of his sister by engaging in a career that runs the very real risk of landing him in prison for the next decade, assuming a gang banger doesn't kill him. He handed over every single point of leverage I can think of to Coil on a silver platter with out ever once having seen his employer, and he thinks this is a good idea.

It's also important to note that Undersiders weren't really a team until Skitter joined up and took over. They were coworkers who happened to like each other, but none of them would have been terribly upset if any of the left the team.
If Taylor killed Alabaster people would really freak the fuck out.

Just kill him? Nah son, you need to get more horror. An Oni Lee style bisection, where his top half falls off his bottom half, before he resets, the blood refilling his veins and the brain damage caused by the asphyxiation is repaired, only to have it happen over and over and over like some Grey Boy time loop.
 
It's also important to note that Undersiders weren't really a team until Skitter joined up and took over. They were coworkers who happened to like each other, but none of them would have been terribly upset if any of the left the team.

Scene snippet from the first version of 2.6 which'll probably never see the light of day:

"I still had to go searching for her, though. I fought a bunch of guys at the building I tried before the one she was actually in. I made one of them tell me where he thought she was. Turned out to be right."

"Building up your legend already?" Lisa asked. "You're not exactly helping your case for not being able to take over the ABB, you know. People spreading rumors about how serious you are just makes it easier. And the fact that you're doing all of this to save a pair of Asian twins and inadvertently helping a bunch of others, including the gang members? Major boost."

I groaned, hand covering my face. "I can't believe I'm agreeing to this."

Lisa punched me in the arm playfully. "Oh come on, it'll be easy. I'll take care of all the logistical, hard stuff. You can be the shadowy-leader type who nobody wants to mess with."

I sighed. Why? Why did my life have to get so fucking complicated? When for that matter?

"I mean, if it helps, think of all the good stuff you can do. Anything's better than Bakuda, and from what I've seen of you I doubt you'll be as much as an asshole as Lung was to everybody."

"Okay. Okay, I get the point. And I can't let everybody get hurt because I fucked up. It's just… really fucking weird to think about. I mean, I'm fifteen for God's sake!" I told her.

"I know, how many people get to say they took over a major gang when they were only fifteen?" she questioned with a smirk.

I groaned again.

"Anyways, here." Lisa handed the tablet back to me and I put it away in my jacket.

"What about your team? Aren't you just leaving them?" I asked.

She grimaced. "Yeah, but… we weren't even really all that close in the first place. Everybody was more worried about themselves, me included. And if it means getting away from Coil…" she trailed off.

She was willing to do anything.

"Just… let me worry about that, okay? I'll handle it. We're here, too."


Just kill him? Nah son, you need to get more horror. An Oni Lee style bisection, where his top half falls off his bottom half, before he resets, the blood refilling his veins and the brain damage caused by the asphyxiation is repaired, only to have it happen over and over and over like some Grey Boy time loop.
This is actually what would happen. His shard attempts a localized reset, but the wounds don't heal. So it just happens again. And again. And again.

Fun times for everyone involved. :V

I'm working on the next segment of the interlude. No idea when it'll be done, but likely in the next few days.
 
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If Taylor killed Alabaster people would really freak the fuck out.
Just kill him? Nah son, you need to get more horror. An Oni Lee style bisection, where his top half falls off his bottom half, before he resets, the blood refilling his veins and the brain damage caused by the asphyxiation is repaired, only to have it happen over and over and over like some Grey Boy time loop.
This is actually what would happen. His shard attempts a localized reset, but the wounds don't heal. So it just happens again. And again. And again.

Fun times for everyone involved. :V
Or Taylor could just cut the connection between Alabaster and his Shard.

Cue parahumans everywhere freaking out.

Or maybe she could kill the Shard through the Corona Pollentia.

Cue Cauldron freaking out.

And possibly Scion, come to think of it. He's apathetic, but since a previous cycle failed when the inhabitants started targeting and killing Shards, something like that happening might be one of the few things that could really reach him.
 
I wonder if the Zion fight would turn into a poignant scene from the Entity's point of view. Here he is apathetic and just going through useless motions of "living." Then suddenly Taylor and through fighting her, he feels the urge to keep going, wanting to find a way, anyway to keep the cycle moving. Even it requires him going at it alone.

Then when Taylor finally cuts his death, he finds that he really wants to keep "living" in spite of everything and regrets wasting time not following their dream.
 
Grue is the least useful Undersider, and probably the dumbest member to boot, having functionally unmasked himself to a supercriminal he doesn't even know the name of in order to gain custody of his sister by engaging in a career that runs the very real risk of landing him in prison for the next decade, assuming a gang banger doesn't kill him. He handed over every single point of leverage I can think of to Coil on a silver platter with out ever once having seen his employer, and he thinks this is a good idea.
I don't think we know how that sequence of events went. While it could have gone like that, it could also have gone by a lot of other ways. Coil could have revealed he knew his identity and that he knew what he wanted when he hired him, for example, or whoever he used as an intermediary gained Brian's trust somehow first, making him believe this person was doing him a solid by setting him up with the undersiders.

And, well, to be fair, the Undersiders had a pretty damn sweet gig before Coil started pushing them towards notoriety after canon started. It's easy to be happy with your lot in life when you're doing whatever you want, are rolling in cash with barely doing anything to get it, and you're steadily progressing on your 'get little sister custody' quest.
Or Taylor could just cut the connection between Alabaster and his Shard.

Cue parahumans everywhere freaking out.
Aaand how would they find out that she did this? for all they know she simply damaged the brain thingy, we know doing so will do will have some effect on most powers, with plenty of them getting completely deactivated.

And considering Alabaster would be very, very, very unlikely to survive the fight, all you really have is a striker/trump that says no to power-healing/recovery. In a world with Eidolon, Siberian, GU or the Butcher, it's frankly not that scary. Hell, it's even less scary than Bakuda by virtue of the amount of widespread damage Bakuda could do in comparison to a cape that's seemingly only really good at killing a subset of brutes.

There's already plenty of capes that could permanently eliminate Alabaster, hell, he died in canon to a bakuda bomb.

Or maybe she could kill the Shard through the Corona Pollentia.

Cue Cauldron freaking out.
Exactly how would Cauldron find out the shard died? this is just silly.

And possibly Scion, come to think of it. He's apathetic, but since a previous cycle failed when the inhabitants started targeting and killing Shards, something like that happening might be one of the few things that could really reach him.
We do have a few instances of shards effectively dying in canon: Eidolon running them out of power. Hell, even regular vial cape shards are referred as 'dead' by Scion IIRC.
 
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Exactly how would Cauldron find out the shard died? this is just silly.
Can Clairvoyant see the worlds where Shards are located? I know he can't see Scion's true body, but I can't remember if he could see the true Shards or not. I'm not sure if it that was mentioned in canon.
We do have a few instances of shards effectively dying in canon: Eidolon running them out of power. Hell, even regular vial cape shards are referred as 'dead' by Scion IIRC.
I'm pretty sure some dead shards are an inevitability of every cycle, it's not usually a problem for the Entities since they get enough energy to make new ones if they have to. Something that isn't Sting outright killing a living one? That might be something that gets Scion's attention.
Technically he still alive. He's just out of action till a million years or so pass and the time bubble ends. Him and Dauntless
And Jotun. Not E88, despite the name. I think he was a hero from outside Brockton Bay.
 
This is actually what would happen. His shard attempts a localized reset, but the wounds don't heal. So it just happens again. And again. And again.

My first thought was a scene from the POV of a member of E88, where Taylor cuts off Alabaster's arm and all the E88 guys just smirking as Alabaster resets. And then the arm falls off again and everyone just stops and stares as Alabaster resets again, and it happens again, before Taylor asks if he'd like a hand.
 
Can Clairvoyant see the worlds where Shards are located? I know he can't see Scion's true body, but I can't remember if he could see the true Shards or not. I'm not sure if it that was mentioned in canon.
If they could do that, they could Door there, and they'd be doing a helluva lot more than what they were doing in canon. Particularly if you are magically making them able to know who killed the shard, because that'd mean they could track the shard/parahuman connection, go there and start harvesting.. then why the hell aren't they making more Eidolons and GUs if that's the case? why aren't they killing endbringer shards?

I'm pretty sure some dead shards are an inevitability of every cycle
Shards shouldn't be running out of power. Eden's dead shards do so because a) they're not set up correctly to regenerate the energy and b) they're using a whole lot more power than what shards would normally grant parahumans. At the very least the entities should be able to decide to either tell the shard to stop wasting energy, or redirect energy to it from other shards because it's making some really interesting discoveries.

Technically he still alive. He's just out of action till a million years or so pass and the time bubble ends. Him and Dauntless
Provided they didn't die when Scion nuked the place later. Still, effectively dead is effectively dead. If, say, Butcher took over Alabaster till he's behaving like Butcher, nobody is going to treat is as Alabaster being alive.

There's a long list of things that could either kill or effectively kill Alabaster in Worm, it's just that most of them aren't on BB bar Bakuda and Leet.
 
Art of Escalation (or "How Taylor tried to de-escalate") by Castage
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'Art of Escalation' (or 'How Taylor tried to de-escalate')


Tattletale... Lisa looked at Coil's body... parts with a sense of satisfaction and awe.

"You know, your power will probably never cease to amaze me. How you killed Coil's other reality, how you killed what was twisting Noelle's body into that of a monstrous cape or how you killed Dinah's addiction – the last one being utter bullshit." she turned to her friend and boss. "But please, could you next time try not to kill people?"

"Why? Coil's dead, what's left of his organization is under our command, his base is our to use – we even got the Travellers to join. And isn't seeing him dead, satisfying?" Taylor asked.

"Yes, I agree on all points – and I am grateful for your help, have no doubt about it, I am very grateful... but there is one tiny detail that you... omitted." Lisa smiled.

"Oh?" Taylor tilted her head.

"Yes, you forgot" Lisa waved her hand around "ABOUT BODIES OF 242 MERCENARIES WHO YOU BISECTED! HOW ARE WE, IN SCION'S NAME, GET RID OG THEM? IT WILL TAKE MONTHS TO CLEAN AND GET RID OF THE SMELL!" she wasn't going to use the phrase 'kill the smell'. There were some things here brain wasn't ready to process.

"...oh? Ups?"

"Ups... she says. The entire base is swimming in human guts, walls are painted red with blood, limbs litter the ground, not a single room left unspoiled, and she says - ups." there was no sarcasm there, none at all. Lisa took a deep breath. "Could you next time... not kill? De-escalate? Less blood, guts, and limbs - less cleaning."

"OK. I'll try."

* * *​

The sirens sounded – the Leviathan was coming. Taylor was baffled – how was she going to keep her promise to Lisa? She didn't want to fail her friend. She sighted - killing was so much easier...

And then, she saw something. First, she didn't understand, but when she looked at line closer she smiled. She was going to keep her promise of zero terminations.

* * *​

Eidolon halted his charge at the End-bringer as someone almost cut him with a knife. He was about to take down the mask-less (really?) cape for breaking the End-bringer cease-fire, when he noticed something – or rather a lack of something. Leviathan cased moving.

After a minute it turned (ever so slowly) and looked at the woman in red. But what Leviathan did next, really floored Eidolon. It spoke.

"{Greetings @%#&$.}" That was some strange sound "{Thank you from freeing me from Master effect.}" Wait- WHAT? "{Could you free my siblings?}"

"Sure!" The girl answered. Her knife moved two more times.

"{Thank you @%#&$. Should you ever need assistance, me and my siblings are at your call.}"


Then Leviathan turned and went back to the sea... while the girl was waving it goodbye. As soon as End-bringer disappeared, the girl nodded to herself happily.

"Great! I kept my promise – no one died. I'm on the path of de-escalation!" With that, she left.

"Well that was strange" Eidolon turned to see Leet- wearing a tunic, sandals, a bronze sword... with camera drone floating behind him.

"Is that on?" Eidolon pointed at the camera, his throat suddenly dry.

Leet looked at him, then at his camera, then back at Eidolon, then he laughed sheepishly. "Ah, I just wanted to make an episode of a fight with titan from God of war – it's so hard to find a good titan around – so yeah... I thought it would be my last performance so I might have broadcasted it worldwide...

* * *​

Half a year later.

"Miss Militia is here to see you." Lisa said as she started leading Taylor to the heroic cape.

"Okay, are you still upset about Dragon?"

"No – it's perfectly logical that with a swing of your knife you removed all of her blockades and made her full-fledged AI. It's completely logical." she didn't sound hysterical – that wasn't even the strangest what happened in last half of the year. "But you didn't have to cut through Narwhal's fields just to check - and I quote 'I wonder if she is really naked under this forcefields?' - how she looks naked."

"Well..." Taylor blushed remembering that. In the hindsight, she should control herself more, but Dragon took down dragon slayers leaving Taylor without anything to kill... so why not connect pleasure with scientific curiosity? After all, it was to gain knowledge about parahumans... to her science project! Yes - to her project!

"Miss Militia" Lisa greeted heroine when she saw her.

"I will get straight to the point." the heroine said "With recent cessation of End-bringer's attacks, the Triumvirate and the board of directors, were carefully investigated. Many abnormalities were found and the entire leadership of the PRT, the Protectorate and the Wards, were suspended. To prevent the collapse of the organization, the president has chosen you to lead it. You are given the full authority to shape the organization as you see fit."

Taylor and Lisa stud in silence for few minutes before Lisa turned to her friend.

"You know what, forget what I said. Kill as many people as you want – just stick to physical things. I will clean any bodies that you will leave behind – nothing is worth dealing with that kind of a mess!"
 
I have to wonder... Taylor can cut lines with butter knives or sheets of paper... Can she cut the lines with a laser pointer? I mean, light technically exerts force on an object if not a whole lot so it follows that you can use it as a tool for tracing the lines right? I can't get the idea out of my head of Taylor running around with a laser pointer and calling it her light saber.
 
I have to wonder... Taylor can cut lines with butter knives or sheets of paper... Can she cut the lines with a laser pointer? I mean, light technically exerts force on an object if not a whole lot so it follows that you can use it as a tool for tracing the lines right? I can't get the idea out of my head of Taylor running around with a laser pointer and calling it her light saber.
Funny, but no. IIRC Shiki broke her finger just tracing a line if you haven't read the prior posts. The laser pointer isn't going exert enough force to be useful.
 
Funny, but no. IIRC Shiki broke her finger just tracing a line if you haven't read the prior posts. The laser pointer isn't going exert enough force to be useful.
Well, yes, but the lines are thin and presumably don't expand as she cuts them. It's entirely possible that while she was capable of tracing the line with her finger, well it hit the flesh on both sides of the line. Thus she breaks her finger because the sides of the line still had the normal resistance while she does in fact cut because she still traces the line.
 
Also of note is the scene where shiki first wakes up in the hospital. In it she traces a line on a flower and appears to not contact/move the flower as she does so. This would imply that there is at least some level of perception of ability altering what she can and can not do, much like with the gray boy bomb.

Shiki would likely have to internalize the concept of light having force at all scales of power for the laser pointer trick to work.

Even if it could work, I don't expect it to happen, as it would trivialise a great deal of the story's conflicts.
 
*shrug* Nasu only said the Lines all offer the same difficulty when being cut. Said difficulty was not exactly defined.

LATE EDIT: Woop de fucking doo, just realized I was completely wrong.

The lines offer no resistance to her.
KNK dictionary said:
Line of Death
The constantly shifting, graffiti-like lines visible to Ryougi Shiki.

The lines appeared on everything, and by slashing the lines with a knife, the object bearing the lines could be "killed." Since the lines posed no resistance, everything could be killed with the same ease.

The Lines of Death are not the lines at which "an object can be easily cut apart," rather, they are the concept of longevity given form.

Strictly speaking, it is not "tracing the lines causing the object to fall apart," but "ending the lifespan and killing the object."

To put it into simpler terms, it is the erasure of existence rather than physical destruction.

Ryougi Shiki is a living being, and she seemed to have an easier time seeing the end of a living being. This is because as a living being, it is easier to comprehend "the death of a living being." In order to see the Lines of Death of minerals or Concepts, she either has to become minerals, or use her brain and tap into her "imagination."

In summary, the end (lines) of an existence that humans cannot comprehend is not visible.
For comparison, Tohno Shiki:
TYPE-MOON Encyclopedia said:
Mystic Eyes of Death Perception [Term]
Source: Tsukihime Data Collection (2000-12-31), p.027
Tsukihime Dictionary


The eyes possessed by Tohno Shiki, that can see the death of things.

This death is expressed as black lines and points. However, the lines are nothing more than places where a substance breaks easily, while points are death itself.

If a line is cut, then even if the main body survives, that particular part will die, never to move again.

If a point is pierced, then the individual will stop functioning completely.

Though they are said to see the form of death, strictly speaking it's more accurate to say they're reading the lifespan of a substance—the existential limit determined at the moment of creation.

Now, this was already covered in the main story of Tsukihime, but lines cannot be perceived on things that can't be killed (destroyed) in the current world. It's probably because as a human, Shiki's point of reference conforms to the limits of the humanity of his era.

If he tries to perceive the death of things that exceed those limits, Shiki himself will begin to break down.

Originally, Shiki's eyes were meant to "see that which cannot be seen." However, after having two near death experiences he was somehow connected to (the Root), and his brain began to be able to comprehend death itself. Or to put it in other words, it is only by virtue of his mystic eyes and brain working together as a set that he is able to perceive death.

By the way, Shiki's eyes turn blue when he intentionally tries to see death. Seeing as how blue is the color of pure eyes, it's likely that Shiki's eyes are also of that type.


Mystic Eyes of Death Perception [Ability]
Source: Tsukihime Dokuhon Plus Period (2004-10-22), p.184
Tsukihime Dictionary


The eyes possessed by Tohno Shiki, that can see the death of things.

This death is expressed as black lines and points. The lines are places where a substance breaks easily, and the points are death itself. If a line is cut, then even if the main body survives, that particular part will die, never to move again. If a point is pierced, then the individual will stop functioning completely. Also, while lines can be seen without consciously trying, seeing points, the source of those lines, requires extreme concentration.

Though they are said to see the form of death, strictly speaking it's more accurate to say they're reading the lifespan of a substance—the existential limit determined at the moment of creation. Now, this was already covered in the main story of Tsukihime, but lines cannot be perceived on things that can't be killed (destroyed) in the current world. It's probably because as a human, Shiki's point of reference conforms to the limits of the humanity of his era.

Originally, Shiki's eyes were meant to "see that which cannot be seen." However, after having two near death experiences he was somehow connected to (the Root), and his brain began to be able to comprehend death itself. Or to put it in other words, it is only by virtue of his mystic eyes and brain working together as a set that he is able to perceive death.

By the way, Shiki's eyes turn blue when he intentionally tries to see death. Seeing as how blue is the color of pure eyes, it's likely that Shiki's eyes were originally of that type.


Mystic Eyes of Death Perception [Ability]
Source: Melty Blood Act Cadenza PS2 Manual (2006-08-10), p.052
Tsukihime Dictionary


The eyes possessed by Tohno Shiki, that can see the death of things.

A unique ability that allows the user to grasp the death of living beings as points and lines. Stabbing or cutting these will ignore things like vital activity and kill the target directly.

Though they are said to see the form of death, strictly speaking it's more accurate to say they're reading the lifespan of a substance—the existential limit determined at the moment of creation.

Lines cannot be perceived on things that can't be killed (destroyed) in the current world. It's probably because as a human, Shiki's point of reference conforms to the limits of the humanity of his era.

Originally, Shiki's eyes were meant to "see that which cannot be seen." However, after having two near death experiences his brain began to be able to comprehend death itself. Or to put it in other words, it is only by virtue of his mystic eyes and brain working together as a set that he is able to perceive death.
 
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Also of note is the scene where shiki first wakes up in the hospital. In it she traces a line on a flower and appears to not contact/move the flower as she does so. This would imply that there is at least some level of perception of ability altering what she can and can not do, much like with the gray boy bomb.

Shiki would likely have to internalize the concept of light having force at all scales of power for the laser pointer trick to work.

Even if it could work, I don't expect it to happen, as it would trivialise a great deal of the story's conflicts.
Not really, having the precision required to trace a line with a laser pointer at any kind of range... it would basically be impossible. Something as much as her own heartbeat would throw it off. If you have any experience with laser pointers you would know holding one steady is hard. Amusingly it would probably be limited to knife fighting range.
 
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