I think the point is she wouldn't know to look for it.
Agreed she needs context to know what to cut first. In the Fujino fight she couldn't see her distortions initially but after some time she managed to do so. It's not that she couldn't cut it though she needed to get a good look first

Fun little tidbit Shiki cheats in cooking fish by cutting the concept of fishy smell
 
Leviathan is fast. Like, really fast. Ludicrously fast for something three stories tall. Taylor is fast for a human but if Levi doesn't want her to catch him then there's really dick-all she can do to kill him on her lonesome.

If she can convince Alexandria to carry her then it might be another matter.
You really don't remember, do you? "Taylor is fast for a human?" You're kidding, right? Allow me to quote the story post:
And finally, Mover/Brute six."

Hannah saw Velocity, who had been silent so far in the conversation, frown in the edge of her vision.

"Six? Where's that coming from?" Assault said, looking at Armsmaster.

"I agree, isn't that a bit much?" Triumph asked.

Colin grimaced. "Despite having mostly been destroyed, we've gotten a look at the various components of some of the bombs that exploded on the second and third floor. They were on very precise hair triggers, remotely enabled or disabled. And yes, there is evidence of a person running very fast, with bootprints on a few walls and corners."

"But six?"

Armsmaster eyed Ethan. "The average explosion velocity of modern gunpowder is above the speed of sound. Guess what it is for nitroglycerine."

"Uh, Mach two?"

"Try Mach twenty-two," Colin said. "And a heat of 9,000 °F. Bakuda was a bomb tinker and messed with a variety of explosive compounds, including nitroglycerine, HMX, and TNT, just to name a few of the less exotic ones. There were much slower compounds used in most of the bombs in the hallways, but at least nitroglycerine residue has also been found. And Switchblade survived that."

Most of the table stared at Armsmaster, though Hannah wasn't surprised as she'd already put the conclusion together from having read the report. It was still a serious matter, since they didn't know exactly how Switchblade survived the explosions, just that he or she had.

"Mach twenty-two?" Assault mouthed. "What the fuck?"
We know she outran the explosions. She can and has moved faster than Mach twenty-two already; this isn't even some weird calculation I'm doing, this is a direct quote from the story. And if you remember, she didn't even think much of it at the time. "Fast for a human?" Understatement of the year.

No, I don't think that Leviathan's speed is an issue, and I don't think that Alexandria carrying her would be a solution. Alexandria is significantly slower than she is on her own.
 
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We dont even know if there's going to be an attack on Brockton bay. Ensou could always change it up so that they hit another place.
 
No, I don't think that Leviathan's speed is an issue, and I don't think that Alexandria carrying her would be a solution. Alexandria is significantly slower than she is on her own.

Alexandria catches up to Khonsu after he teleports halfway across the world (Japan to Cape Verde, 8588 miles) in six minutes. That would put her at mach 112. Legend and Eidolon caught up much faster than she did (presumably seconds, since Legend can move at near relativistic speeds). Even taking their speeds into consideration Leviathan is still considered faster than any speedster on record, fast enough that he's essentially teleporting while in water.

I doubt Taylor can move at mach 22 for any sustained length of time, even if she could she would still be far slower than Alexandria, not to mention Leviathan.
 
Alexandria catches up to Khonsu after he teleports halfway across the world (Japan to Cape Verde, 8588 miles) in six minutes. That would put her at mach 112. Legend and Eidolon caught up much faster than she did (presumably seconds, since Legend can move at near relativistic speeds). Even taking their speeds into consideration Leviathan is still considered faster than any speedster on record, fast enough that he's essentially teleporting while in water.

I doubt Taylor can move at mach 22 for any sustained length of time, even if she could she would still be far slower than Alexandria, not to mention Leviathan.

Incidentally I have evidence that demonstrates she never was moving Mach 2, let alone Mach 22 for any length of time greater than a few microseconds.

Using the momentum of that final step, I flipped over the edge and crashed through the window, rolling and immediately sprinting as fast as fucking possible for the door.

There was a bang behind me, but I was already in the hall. Instead of trying to slow down to turn the corner, I simply shifted my weight upwards and ran on the wall for a few steps before gravity brought me back down to the floor again.

Bootprints on walls were going to be the last thing Bakuda would have to worry about tonight if I had anything to say about it.

There was another explosion behind where I was, and as I neared a cross between hallways, I made a split-second decision to go left, running at the far right corner and then launching off of it in the new direction I wanted to go.

My heart was hammering, adrenaline running through my veins, and I could honestly say that I'd never felt more alive than right then, a grin on my face despite knowing exactly what I was trying to do and what would happen if I made a single mistake.

Right!

I bounced off of another corner and turned right, and the entire hallway I'd been running through exploded in a burst of flame.

Behind me was a strange sound like a bubble popping, and I didn't even think as I tilted my head to the left, a glob of… something flying right by me and landing on the floor. It immediately ate its way through the surface like the strongest acid to ever exist.

Hot damn.

At the edge of my perception, I got the feeling of a person, but it was like they were… down. Second floor, then. Need to find a stairwell.

Or…

I saw a window at the end of the hallway I was running through and another building's wall seven or eight feet beyond it.

My grin widening, I accelerated, speeding up as much as I could. When I reached the end of the hallway I jumped through the window head-first, doing a forward flip and twisting in the air so I was facing the ground when my feet hit the other wall.

Absorbing the kinetic energy through my legs, I seemed to hang there for a heartbeat, just squatting on the side of the wall like it was nothing unusual. And then I pushed off as hard as I could, rocketing forward and crashing through the window that was below the one I'd come through, rolling forward to disperse some of the force and then running forward like I'd never stopped.

I heard both of the windows detonate with… something, changing directions to the left at another cross just as some huge projectile went rocketing past me and exploded when it hit a wall.

Notice that all throughout the quoted bit she is able to hear the explosions behind her. Were she actually moving at speeds in excess of the speed of sound she would, as a matter of course, be unable to hear the explosions because the propagation of the sound would be moving slower than she was.
 
Incidentally I have evidence that demonstrates she never was moving Mach 2, let alone Mach 22 for any length of time greater than a few microseconds.



Notice that all throughout the quoted bit she is able to hear the explosions behind her. Were she actually moving at speeds in excess of the speed of sound she would, as a matter of course, be unable to hear the explosions because the propagation of the sound would be moving slower than she was.


that seems more like an oversight than anything.

or magic
 
Moving away from this clusterfuck of a debate over speed (Servant Ryougi has A+ Agility in FGO by the way), if I'm not mistaken, cutting a tsunami wouldn't actually make the wave disappear or anything, it would just negate any damages it was about to cause. Somehow.
 
The Protectorate make assumptions based on what they know and then plan for the worst-case scenario; that's their job. Just because Taylor does not get hurt by the explosions does not make her necessarily faster than them, rather, it means she is able to avoid their effects---whether by speed or some other means is merely a detail of execution. The Protectorate know she survived the gauntlet, and that there were signs of some very high speed movement, thus it makes more sense for them to have a Mover rating that is over-estimated than a Brute or precognitive Thinker rating when there's been no evidence for it yet.

Lisa gives us a lower bound for Taylor's "bursts" in the last chapter. She can be considered a much more reliable source of information because a) how her power works is a known quantity and b) the information fed to her power to elaborate upon is first-hand rather than after-the-fact or reconstructed.

We also know that there are points in the gauntlet where Taylor dodges or maneuvers rather than being able to outrun an explosion. This tells us that she cannot maintain a high speed while altering her path and/or her speed cannot be sustained for any arbitrary duration---from Lisa, we know at least the latter is true.

This is all from the perspective of a reader.

Nasuverse physics is hard to sensibly quantify at best and impossible at worst. Rather, it works best by qualification via example (which is what feats are all about). As a writer, I attempt to keep actions within imaginable limit, and only push at those limits when there's evidence that the actions can be done (such as Shiki and point-blank explosions).

TLDR: Don't trust numbers extrapolated from second-hand knowledge (and Colin was using it as a shock-point in the discussion anyways---that is, to draw attention and impress upon people the severity of the threat. It's not really a new technique) .
 
TLDR: Don't trust numbers extrapolated from second-hand knowledge (and Colin was using it as a shock-point in the discussion anyways---that is, to draw attention and impress upon people the severity of the threat. It's not really a new technique) .
So Switchblade is fucking scary, pretty sure everyone in story understood that when she killed Lung. Everyone with background knowledge knew that since the title.
Hey, is the next chapter of this coming soon?
 
I don't think that's accurate. It probably said that 3 weeks ago.
More like a week ago. And I'll admit this next chapter is frustrating (and I haven't made much progress in a week) because it's character building and I want things to be just right so I'm probably going to end up being picky about it. I know what I want to achieve, but I'm unsure how to go about achieving it, much less the best way to do so, which is probably why this chapter's been on my metaphorical desk so long.

Also I've been working on Fog!Taylor because there were a bunch of discussion in-thread that got me thinking about how to go about the next major events in-story, and I didn't want to let those ideas slip.​
 
I swore all the Fate-type crossover writers were distracted by F/GO: Garden of Order... *insert despair at 300 quartz no Saber Shiki*

*insert further despair at phone cracking, resulting in loss of Tamamo, Drake, a grailed Alter version of my namesake, the Saber Shiki I finally pulled...*

Yeah, I'm quitting, I didn't have a backup and that's what I get...
 
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More like a week ago. And I'll admit this next chapter is frustrating (and I haven't made much progress in a week) because it's character building and I want things to be just right so I'm probably going to end up being picky about it. I know what I want to achieve, but I'm unsure how to go about achieving it, much less the best way to do so, which is probably why this chapter's been on my metaphorical desk so long.

Also I've been working on Fog!Taylor because there were a bunch of discussion in-thread that got me thinking about how to go about the next major events in-story, and I didn't want to let those ideas slip.​
Coincidentally and a bit off-topic, but are you playing the event going on right now on FGO?
 
Coincidentally and a bit off-topic, but are you playing the event going on right now on FGO?
I'll be flat out honest: I haven't even touched the English localization of F/GO.

I tried to download it, found out my phone didn't have enough storage space, and that was that. Haven't felt the need to bother with any other possible solutions. Too much other stuff to do.
 
Notice that all throughout the quoted bit she is able to hear the explosions behind her. Were she actually moving at speeds in excess of the speed of sound she would, as a matter of course, be unable to hear the explosions because the propagation of the sound would be moving slower than she was.


Sound moves quite more faster in metals, for example, so she could be noting the explosion trough her connection to the ground...
 
Sound moves quite more faster in metals, for example, so she could be noting the explosion trough her connection to the ground...

Humans really can't hear very well through their feet. Also, ensou's good enough that I think she would have said Taylor felt the explosions rather than hearing them if that was the case.
 
More like a week ago. And I'll admit this next chapter is frustrating (and I haven't made much progress in a week) because it's character building and I want things to be just right so I'm probably going to end up being picky about it. I know what I want to achieve, but I'm unsure how to go about achieving it, much less the best way to do so, which is probably why this chapter's been on my metaphorical desk so long.

Also I've been working on Fog!Taylor because there were a bunch of discussion in-thread that got me thinking about how to go about the next major events in-story, and I didn't want to let those ideas slip.​

Never try too hard to get perfection, as that usually just means you end up without it getting done, and good is plenty good enough!
 
Honestly if Taylor is to 'kill' Leviathan, one of the more believable ways is to have Leviathan be Clockblocker'd first, since Switchblade should be able to cut Leviathan to shreds while it is under a time lock. Endbringer fights does not always have to go in the direction of the main character soloing said Endbringer after all.

Wouldn't she have to know it existed to kill it, though? If not even Tattletale can be sure it's a real thing 70% through canon or whatever, I doubt she's gonna decide it's a thing here. :V

I don't believe Shiki has ever cut anything in canon that she is not aware of beforehand. So unless Tattletale brings up something that prompts her to look for a connection between Leviathan and Eidolon, she shouldn't be able to see its lines. We didn't see Taylor displaying otherwise either, since she is aware of Bakuda's dead man's switch before she saw and cut them.

Unless of course, Taylor turns out to have Shiki Tohno's Pure Eyes on top of Shiki Ryougi's MEoDP, but I highly doubt that is the case.

Just because Taylor does not get hurt by the explosions does not make her necessarily faster than them, rather, it means she is able to avoid their effects---whether by speed or some other means is merely a detail of execution.

This.

My money is on short range teleportation, seeing how in that scene Shiki was on the ground, in midstep, facing away from the explosion's center, had her dominant hand occupied with a phone and her blade sheathed even after the bomb had exploded, and somehow ended up untouched 10 or so meters in the air despite that.

Moving away from this clusterfuck of a debate over speed (Servant Ryougi has A+ Agility in FGO by the way), if I'm not mistaken, cutting a tsunami wouldn't actually make the wave disappear or anything, it would just negate any damages it was about to cause. Somehow.

Well, in KnK's canon Shiki cutting the future where she gets killed by a bomb somehow makes it so that the bombs in that parking lot would not explode until Shiki is clear of the danger zone. Dunno how it applies to Shiki Ryougi's power, but with Shiki Tohno stabbing the point of an object renders it no longer able to affect anything, while cutting it still leaves the main body alive.

If I'm not mistaken Taylor's MEoDP are the same as Ryougi Skiki's, and since Ryougi's eyes run on the idea of "if it exists I can kill it" then I believe Taylor can see Levi's connection. I mean Ryougi did say that with her eyes she'd be able to kill God if he existed, her (almost) exact words if I remember correctly.

She can kill the distance between them.

I'm not joking

'If it's alive, I can kill it', actually, the same as Shiki Tohno, but with the requirements of what qualifies as 'alive' being really, really loose (i.e ghosts qualifying as alive to her). The example given by WoG is that Shiki can cut a telephone pole because it counts as alive to her, but that she cannot see lines on a broken telephone pole because to her it qualifies as dead. It is also by WoG that Shiki cannot kill god even if it exists due to it in the Nasuverse being an existence that is neither alive nor dead.

Her being able to cut distance is most likely fanon, and if it isn't I have certainly not find proof otherwise. The only reason she is able to cut the 'future' in Mirai Fuukin is because said future was given form by Mitsuru, and that the future is normally invincible because it had no form. That same logic might apply to space, time, friendship, conflict, etc. since those two do not normally have a form unless if is given one (i.e. time bubbles and distorted space).

There is a claim on her being able to cut distance on the Versus Wiki, but it is naturally uncited, and even then attributed to only Void Shiki and not regular Shiki Ryougi. Void Shiki shouldn't apply to Taylor, at least for now, especially since Void Shiki's abilities is not so much her using the MEoDP so much as her using the thing that gave her the MEoDP.

Of course, Mystic Eyes in KnK and Tsukihime work based on how their user perceives things, so Taylor might still be able to cut distance if she is more suited to perceiving and killing those sort of concepts than Ryougi is.
 
The Mystic Eyes are by their nature based on Pure Eyes, and furthermore simply by their nature they reveal things that normal eyes cannot see. The most trivial example is that even if Shiki's eyes were removed, she would still be able to see by the lines of death - as God's Word demonstrates for her.

That being said, I don't think she usually bothers to "parse" what deaths the lines correspond to, and we have no real reason to believe it's automatic - so it's entirely possible she might see the death that corresponds to Eidolon's shard destroying the Endbringers but not know what she's seeing, for example.
 
That being said, I don't think she usually bothers to "parse" what deaths the lines correspond to, and we have no real reason to believe it's automatic - so it's entirely possible she might see the death that corresponds to Eidolon's shard destroying the Endbringers but not know what she's seeing, for example.

Even if it is automatic, according to her Assassin profile she can shift her focus so that she overlooks the lines instead of seeing them all the time like Taylor seems to be doing, hence why Ryougi can live her daily life where Tohno needs his glasses.
 
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