Lung doesn't adapt. He get's really strong regen as he ramps up. Concept wise any new limbs crawler get's in response to doing her thing to his old one should be unrelated to the old ones at all.
Now I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that anything cut with the eyes "dies" in all sense of the word.
Which would mean that if Crawler's arm is cut off, the very concept of him having that arm is "dead", so he can't just grow a new one.
I don't know, that's how I see it at least.
 
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Yeah, Crawler can probably just make new limbs if Taylor kills his old ones. Completely unrelated new limbs.
 
Lung doesn't adapt. He get's really strong regen as he ramps up. Concept wise any new limbs crawler get's in response to doing her thing to his old one should be unrelated to the old ones at all.

Yes, there are situations in which stuff like this can happen. Aegis and Crawler are the two obvious ones. If Taylor killed, say... Crawler's eyes, he could adapt to have photosensitive tissues all over his body, granting vision (of a sort). However, the wounds are still there, and would never heal naturally.

Killing Crawler's "sight" (the concept), would make him blind. For good. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, do not attempt any adaptations because there are none. He could get hyper-sensitive hearing or something to get around the restriction, but his ability to see would be gone.
 
I completely get where Graves is coming from. Even if Taylor cuts your left arm and you lose the concept of having a left arm, there's nothing stopping, say, Panacea from manipulating your body into having a third arm that just happens to be where your left one was. Maybe. It'd have to deviate from "regeneration". In that sense, Crawler may be capable of maintaining the number of limbs he has.

If, that is, Crawler weren't at the bottom of the entire Taylor-relative food chain. He's bellow Lung. He's bellow Bakuda. Bellow Oni Lee. Bellow Emma. Bellow ABB minion #75 (yes, the wheelchair one). He's bellow everyone that's anyone, because unlike everyone else, he's literally asking to be hit. By Taylor. With MEoDP.

EDIT: Ninja'd
 
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Yes, there are situations in which stuff like this can happen. Aegis and Crawler are the two obvious ones. If Taylor killed, say... Crawler's eyes, he could adapt to have photosensitive tissues all over his body, granting vision (of a sort). However, the wounds are still there, and would never heal naturally.

Killing Crawler's "sight" (the concept), would make him blind. For good. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, do not attempt any adaptations because there are none. He could get hyper-sensitive hearing or something to get around the restriction, but his ability to see would be gone.
I wonder how that would actually manifest with his shard.
Taylor cuts sight which I am going to guess is a concept that lies with in the eyes so his eyes are permanently cut.
The shard detects the damage tries to heal, fails, adapts and grows new eyes in different places and the damaged part is either grown over or expelled from the body depending on how it works.
The new fully functional eyes aren't going to work, or rather they aren't going to grant sight to Crawler. How does the shard handle that?
Does it simply not compute the flaw and simply ignores that Crawler suddenly runs into a lot of thing, Is it going to try to make different kind of eyes until it finds a couple that works(it won't) until it tried everything it knows and Crawler is a giant mass of eyes or is it going to simply grant Crawler something different for perception first because it knows sight is forever out of its hosts reach?
 
I wonder how that would actually manifest with his shard.

Defining that would go some length about how Taylor's MEoDP really manifests itself, though it is already defined as more Ryougi in nature than Tohno.
Still, Taylor managed to interact with the Lines of Death by collecting and severing them (as was the case with Bakuda), which is different from both Ryougi and Tohno's MEoDPs, as their versions of MEoDP does not allow them to interact with the Lines and Dots beside 'killing' them.

So, perhaps Taylor's MEoDP is more lenient than the other two users of the MEoDP in the interaction department, which means 'Taylor being the avatar of Death' theory, as in Taylor is a means for Death to interact with the world in a new fashion than it could before, makes a tad bit of sense.

Tohno was a case where he got the Eyes but not the full Brain due to his traumatic experiences; Ryougi was a case where her Eyes and Brain were already a part of 「 」, just that it was unlocked due to her experiences.
In that paradigm, Taylor's MEoDP could be a combination of Shard and Death interacting with her at the same time, which might have allowed her to glimpse 「 」 in the process according to what we have seen so far; that Taylor could interact with the lines between Bakuda and her Bombs (more like the links between her equipment, but both are Tinker Tech, so there is that) before cutting them seems to point that Taylor is exceptionally good at interacting with the Shards.
So, while her Lines of Death can function like the Tohno and Ryougi, in a sense her true Death Perception might be connected with her Shard; it would also explain why it took the Lung fight for her to really see how terrifying her Perception could be... and her attitude towards the fight itself being fun, apparently.

It would also explain why Taylor could fight without the Physical Conditioning that both Tohno (Nanaya) Shiki (Human Husbandry to hunt Demons) and Ryougi Shiki (Human Husbandry to create the Ryougi in Human Form) had; Death is using aspects of the QA Shard to empower Taylor as it sees fit to interact with the Shard Hosts. Also explains why Taylor has little qualm in killing Parahumans (besides her own justifications, that is); it is the result of both the Conflict instinct from the Shard and Death being what it is, Death.
Taylor probably lacks the Murder Instinct of Ryougi and Tohno, though in that department she might be more Tohno than Ryougi; one can draw parallels to how Tohno reacted to Arcueid (turned her into sixteen pieces of meat in an instant) to how Taylor seems to be feeling about killing Parahumans so far. Yeah, Tattletale had good reason to fear her.

Though, yes, this is just a random, wild theory that just popped in my mind. @ensou how close was I to the mark?

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As a guess for what happened behind the scenes, Taylor might effectively be currently an avatar (Hindu meaning) of the concept of Death.

Forgot to give credit where it is due; this is the inspiration for my theory here.
 
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I wonder how that would actually manifest with his shard.
Taylor cuts sight which I am going to guess is a concept that lies with in the eyes so his eyes are permanently cut.
The shard detects the damage tries to heal, fails, adapts and grows new eyes in different places and the damaged part is either grown over or expelled from the body depending on how it works.
The new fully functional eyes aren't going to work, or rather they aren't going to grant sight to Crawler. How does the shard handle that?
Does it simply not compute the flaw and simply ignores that Crawler suddenly runs into a lot of thing, Is it going to try to make different kind of eyes until it finds a couple that works(it won't) until it tried everything it knows and Crawler is a giant mass of eyes or is it going to simply grant Crawler something different for perception first because it knows sight is forever out of its hosts reach?
It'd either be the eyes or the occipital lobe of his brain, representatively. Same way Shiki killed Fujino's appendicitis by stabbing her appendix.

Since Crawler's body is a direct expression of his shard (like Oni Lee's clones) and wouldn't exist without it, I'd say that his shard wouldn't be able to understand the concept of sight either. Or at least the concept of Crawler having vision. Receiving photons and interpreting information from them just wouldn't be a possibility to it anymore, so there's no reason to try and create anything to do that.


Still, Taylor managed to interact with the Lines of Death by collecting and severing them (as was the case with Bakuda), which is different from both Ryougi and Tohno's MEoDPs, as their versions of MEoDP does not allow them to interact with the Lines and Dots beside 'killing' them.

Ryougi interacts with them in various ways, too.
I was specifically visualizing a combination of that second scene and Ryougi's fight with Fujino.

So, perhaps Taylor's MEoDP is more lenient than the other two users of the MEoDP in the interaction department

Not particularly. She's got Ryougi's Eyes. Taylor definitely has more imagination though.

Taylor's eyes are not related in any way to QA. QA's getting interesting data, yeah, but it had nothing to do with Taylor's Origin or the Root.

Taylor seeing the connections between Bakuda and her bombs was more subconscious on her part than anything. She'd just accepted her Eyes completely, was fully devoted to killing Bakuda at any cost, and knew that any self-respecting bomber would use remote detonations. Similar to Ryougi learning how Fujino's power worked allowed her to see it. Also see previous statement about Taylor having an active imagination.

Taylor's bloodthirstiness and excitement is helped along by QA's conflict drive, but it's largely due to her Origin.

took the Lung fight for her to really see how terrifying her Perception could be
Um... 0.3 is chronologically before 1.1. Taylor freaked out quite a bit at the end of that chapter.

And Taylor's superhuman for the same reason Ryougi appears to be, which I said earlier:
However, it's still rooted in the Nasuverse's Functional Magic training and not inherent to the MEODP.
It's never really fully explained, even in the light novels. Her self-hypnosis is specifically for just her ridiculous swordfighting skills. It's a mental discipline. The Ryougi clan's characteristic split personality is present from birth.

But the thing is, Shiki has advanced healing and can't even explain it herself. This would imply (in my humble and possibly completely incorrect interpretation) that at least part of her superhuman properties are due to being connected to the source of life itself, and is what I'm going with for Taylor.

There's really nothing that fancy going on.
 
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Taylor's eyes are not related in any way to QA. QA's getting interesting data, yeah, but it had nothing to do with Taylor's Origin or the Root.
so what is QA doing? is it just there chilaxing while the weird voodoo eyes do their thing, or is she the one responsible for the enhanced coordination and strength?

would be funny it it ended with QA administrating the lines themselves in the epilogue.
 
Ryougi interacts with them in various ways, too.
Like a skein of thread, I pulled all of the strands together into one solid, thick rope, holding them together in my hand. It felt strange. Like I could feel them, but not with my skin. They were present, but ethereal.
Well, this sounds a bit beyond what Ryougi could do (which was one of the reasons of my wild theory), though at this point it gets into semantics, aye.

Um... 0.3 is chronologically before 1.1. Taylor freaked out quite a bit at the end of that chapter.
I didn't mean I don't understand that; what I meant that it seemed like the 'oh my god I see death' part only really hammered home into her when she got 'I just killed Lung with this?!', and the chapters were lined up like that to put emphasis to that image.
As in, the end of her Denial, I guess, which was juxtaposed with her initial Denial about the Eyes in 0.3 ("Humans shouldn't be seeing this!" thing).
It doesn't help the Second Chapter was about Taylor accepting the Death Perception as her own quality, a part of herself; Acceptance. Especially the Bakuda Arc was chilling in that sort of sense.

*Shrugs* I get a "take that" from reading too much into it, I guess.

And Taylor's superhuman for the same reason Ryougi appears to be, which I said earlier:

I get that; what I was trying to get at was an Idea about how Taylor has access to the "source of life" as you call it without the Fancy Body that Ryougi has, that is all. 「 Shiki 」 is, for all purposes, her Body having a Personality aside from Shiki and SHIKI, after all.
I couldn't fathom how Taylor got access when she has no Special History as far as I understand, or does she have access simply because she fell into the 「 」? Well, okay; leaves me a bit uncomfortable, but okay.
If the Answer is "Spoilers!", I'll roll with it. Just... I'd expects answers later, so...

Taylor's bloodthirstiness and excitement is helped along by QA's conflict drive, but it's largely due to her Origin.
Hm, interesting.
 
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If the Answer is "Spoilers!", I'll roll with it. Just... I'd expects answers later, so...
*coughs awkwardly* more like I'm still figuring the whole 「Taylor」 situation out. I won't try and handwave it as reasons, but really it just is right now and I'm still working on that. As of right now Taylor's got a connection to 「 」, and whether that's through herself, a personality her body itself has separate from her soul, or something else is still up in the air.

so what is QA doing? is it just there chilaxing while the weird voodoo eyes do their thing, or is she the one responsible for the enhanced coordination and strength?
Pretty much.
She's been helping Taylor make friends! And she's the reason Taylor's got her people radar, among other things.
QA's really happy with what's been happening lately. Was a bit frustrated before Lung happened. This week has been great, though. :V
would be funny it it ended with QA administrating the lines themselves in the epilogue.

... oh god. That's a scary thought.
QA: Here, let me help you! I can KILL things!

Welp, there goes that universe.
 
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I believe the negation of entropy would be classed as a type of Magic. Since that task currently is impossible to reach by mortal hands, whether human or inter-dimensional being. But then we'd be going deep into nasu-verse physics
 
I like this. I like this a great deal.

EDIT: I'm also just waiting for her to kill someone's power, or their connection to their Shard. Preferably someone like Jack Slash. :p
 
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I believe the negation of entropy would be classed as a type of Magic. Since that task currently is impossible to reach by mortal hands, whether human or inter-dimensional being. But then we'd be going deep into nasu-verse physics

Yeah, the 'Denial of Nothingness' is the First True Magic I believe.
 
Denial of Nothingness isn't the stopping of entropy, it's the act of creating something out of nothing. And to give an example of that, imagine willing into existence a planet because the sun was too bright and then Willing it back out of existence because it's night time. And all of this without using energy of any kind. No mana, no prana, no arbitrary, unknown energy lost to time. In fact, the only known 'user' of this magic was the biblical GOD. That is how strong it is. Don't need to bother with time travel or different dimensional shinanigans when you can just will your enemy to stop existing.
 
Void
Or more accurately: 「 」

Not likely. An Origin of Void involves being stillborn. Granted, F/SN shows us that extreme enough circumstances could change your Origin (Shirou with Avalon), and QA could serve the role the Ryougi family did of doing bullshit magic to make that not happen, but we see with Tohno that you don't need Void Origin to have the MEoDP, so it'd be complicating the story to do that. Plus, Taylor hasn't become a bored omnipotent being, so the major side-effect of a Void origin is missing.
 
Don't think so since Amy seems to have the other half of 「 」 power. 「Shiki Ryougi」 is considered the physical manifestation of where everything begins and ends.

I...don't think so? At least, there's nothing that hints at that to me.

Also, I think it's just easier to say that Death is Taylor's Origin. Or just the Root, if you wanna go full bar with the Ryougi comparisons.
 
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