Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Well that went well, also for some reason the map isn't fully loading for me.
A Certain Scientific XCOM Project
Actually, riot voting is VERY popular....for votes where you aren't making tactical decisions. It means every voter is significant and contribute to effect. It's best where all options are beneficial and you want different focuses
It's terrible for tactics and strategy, because there are objectively bad actions, objectively bad sequences of actions, and other bad decisions.
Thus, using riot voting for strategy is basically killing the quest yourself, whether people vote and blow everything up after which everyone actually invested leaves, or people don't vote and the quest dies anyway.
Then we'll do plan voting. The GM already said they weren't that attached to RIOT.
Anyway, the map's borked. It loads, but its a thumbnail for me.
Anyway, the map's borked. It loads, but its a thumbnail for me.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
Well, so far so good. Better get 34 in cover, though.
I see, thanks for the info. so, maybe we should switch to traditional votes during tactical battles, and use riot voting between missions? Or something?
I see, thanks for the info. so, maybe we should switch to traditional votes during tactical battles, and use riot voting between missions? Or something?
Skarmory
Girl from the Black Lizard Planet
- Location
- Case Western Reserve University
Well, as I've said in the past, the main purpose of the riot voting was to encourage voting and participation. In other quests, both quests that I've run and quests that I've played in, there's one or two people who come up with 'the plan', and then everyone just bandwagons with them, without ever trying to come up with their own plan or contribute to the strategy. I wanted to try to create an environment where real discussion and eventually consensus would occur, not just people piling on the first vote they see.
It really does seem to have put a damper on activity though, so you're certainly right about that.
I'll see what I can do about the thumbnail.
EDIT: I think it's fixed now, if not, keep bothering me, but I won't be able to take another look at it for a few hours.
What do you think about Riot Voting?
[ ] Use riot voting for all options where it's applicable.
[ ] Use riot voting for combat voting only.
[ ] Use riot voting for strategic voting only (out of combat votes).
[ ] Don't use riot voting.
[ ] Use riot voting for combat voting only.
[ ] Use riot voting for strategic voting only (out of combat votes).
[ ] Don't use riot voting.
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[X] Don't use riot voting.
...Have you seen the amount of discussion in riot quests?
90% of it is unrelated to the actual voting, and the votes get no debate at all, people vote and leave.
...Have you seen the amount of discussion in riot quests?
90% of it is unrelated to the actual voting, and the votes get no debate at all, people vote and leave.
- Location
- USA
[X] Don't use riot voting.
theflyingbiscuit
"Titanic neechan"
I think the usual solution to this is the 'wait (x) time until voting'. Lets people discuss a bit before can they vote.
[X] Don't use riot voting.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
Oh yeah, that seemed to work rather well.
[X] Don't use riot voting.
Look to the Left
Back from the Void
- Location
- OH CANADA!!!
[X] Don't use riot voting.
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Y'know, I actually like the results we've gotten so far. It's made things closer to a Council Quest than a traditional... anything, I think, except possibly real combat.
There are good options, there are terrible options, there are good options that could become terrible options if combined with other good options, and it's combined tension that we could mess up with letting me, at least, feel individually powerful, because I can get my plan put through if I feel the need.
That said, erring on the side of caution might be good. What if we combined Riot and Approval voting? Make it so anyone can propose a plan, but they need one other person to vote for it before it goes through.
There are good options, there are terrible options, there are good options that could become terrible options if combined with other good options, and it's combined tension that we could mess up with letting me, at least, feel individually powerful, because I can get my plan put through if I feel the need.
That said, erring on the side of caution might be good. What if we combined Riot and Approval voting? Make it so anyone can propose a plan, but they need one other person to vote for it before it goes through.
- Location
- ...
[X] Don't use riot voting.
My lack of posting is a mixture of still reading through this, a lack of direct experience with XCOM, and a lack of tactics-based strategic ability. I'll probably edit in a vote later if others with better ability don't beat me to it.
My lack of posting is a mixture of still reading through this, a lack of direct experience with XCOM, and a lack of tactics-based strategic ability. I'll probably edit in a vote later if others with better ability don't beat me to it.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
I suppose we could begin to discuss what to do for next turn?
It's a bit tricky right now. Four hostiles down, one retreating, and one about to be surrounded, but there might still be an "untriggered" alien group (estimates gave us a range of 6-10 enemies. If it's 6, they're all accounted for. If it's 10, there's still a full group waiting to ambush us.
Right now, I guess 32 and 33 can take point and deal with S2, while 34 and 35 relocate and enter overwatch? Something like that?
Also, question : does the building have an extinguisher system that we could trigger with Spark? Having everyone inside wet would certainly make things even easier.
It's a bit tricky right now. Four hostiles down, one retreating, and one about to be surrounded, but there might still be an "untriggered" alien group (estimates gave us a range of 6-10 enemies. If it's 6, they're all accounted for. If it's 10, there's still a full group waiting to ambush us.
Right now, I guess 32 and 33 can take point and deal with S2, while 34 and 35 relocate and enter overwatch? Something like that?
Also, question : does the building have an extinguisher system that we could trigger with Spark? Having everyone inside wet would certainly make things even easier.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
S4 is not visible right now, his place on the map is simply the last time we saw him. Presumably he went up a floor (calling for backup?).
Also, 35 should try to pin S2 only if 32 fails her stunt attempt. Because if she succeed, that's a wasted action.
Also, 35 should try to pin S2 only if 32 fails her stunt attempt. Because if she succeed, that's a wasted action.
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Might want everyone inside then in case they start shooting from the roof/upper windows.
35 flank S2, 33/32 deal with him if that doesn't, and then 34 just get inside?
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
That should not be necessary, this one already blasted 34 with a healthy dose of plasma, so we can be sure he's not on overwatch.
Well, we definitely need those stairs secured, in case we get a full squad of angry aliens going through it.
So something like 35 moving in and making sure no-one is currently coming through the stairs, then overwatch to prevent a counterattack...
32 and 33 closing on S2 (32 attempt a stun, 33 flanks and gun him down if that fails, otherwise, joining 35 in overwatch)...
And 34 following inside (maybe hunkering down for now?)
Yeah, that's probably for the best.
We don't know which fired, which is why I was trying to pin it.
35 is already injured, shouldn't be scouting.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
Well, there's not many options. During the alien turn, we only saw one (the other was already outside our line of sight), and I suppose 34 would have warned us if a new one showed up to fire on her. It pretty much has to be S2.
Good point on 35, though. Using 33 to do it then?
Good point on 35, though. Using 33 to do it then?
HoratioVonBecker
Imperfectly Aligned
Hey, can we use a frag grenade as an improvised mine, if we trigger it with Spark instead of pulling the pin? I'm thinking that might be the way to secure the stairs.
(I love munchkining powers on the fly like this.)
(I love munchkining powers on the fly like this.)
35's not moving far though, just up to the hole in the wall. She can hit S2 a lot better than 33 or 32. Should probably put a sub-instruction to get to the opposite side of the hole before shooting if she sees anything in the stairwell though.
- Location
- Tarn-Vedra
[X] Don't riot vote!