Remove ads

“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

  • Total voters
    142
Reader mode
Nyarky said:
Though, I want to say, this is basically a confirmation of what I was saying about counting on the DoSaM not being a good idea, and making plans around her having the same problem, because everyone is in the blast radius as long as they are in the Emerald city (and maybe even father) if she happens if I am reading the comment correctly.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yeah, DoSaM coming out at this point is basically a loss condition. Not a story-ending loss, but it would replace the current problem with a different, significantly larger problem.
 
Nyarky said:
Well, there goes the chances of the vote for her to come out to win it seems. :V
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Breaching for superpowers isn't the answer? Say it isn't so...

If we are concerned about conserving X's strength, then let's do this:
[X] Plan: Preludio Duet
-[X] Retrieve Mami
--[X] Kyoko and Sayaka will take Leonie and Ashley for this, use Leonie to avoid direct fights until they catch their breath
-[X] Homura: X and Argalia begin the act, then everyone else joins in

The expectation is that remaining forces in the city are light enough for a retrieval party to slip through with teleportation. And presumably Mami will be moving to return as well so they can link up.
 
Last edited:
[X] Plan: Preludio Duet
-[X] Retrieve Mami
--[X] Kyoko and Sayaka will take Leonie and Ashley for this, use Leonie to avoid direct fights until they catch their breath
-[X] Homura: X and Argalia begin the act, then everyone else joins in

Well, it's not like direct fights are even a problem if they're in frozen time, but otherwise it makes sense.
 
I think we mustn't send Leonie to Mami, We need her a lot with us. She is a major advantage and Adult isn't an easy opponent.
UPD: And remember: Time is Ticking!
 
Last edited:
Adhoc vote count started by Lepidoptera on Jul 10, 2024 at 2:04 AM, finished with 55 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Preludio Duet
    -[X] Retrieve Mami
    --[X] Kyoko and Sayaka will take Leonie and Ashley for this, use Leonie to avoid direct fights until they catch their breath
    -[X] Homura: X and Argalia begin the act, then everyone else joins in
    [x] plan: gogogo!
    -[x] leave Mami for now
    -[x] bring everyone that is with you to fight.
    -[x] use twilight right away to hurt the adult as much as possible as fast ad possible.
    [x] Plan: Godzilla treshold.
    -[x] Go alone, as the Daughter of the sun and moon.
    -[x] Send everyone else to recover Mami, including Homura as soon as you see her.
    [X] Plan: A Split Up!
    -[X] Retrieve Mami first
    --[X] Have Argalia bring Ashley, Kyoko, and Sayaka along with him using Leonia for this task
    -[X] Homura: X shall join the fight first, Argalia and co can assist once they pick up Mami
Click to expand...


Well, that appears to be rather definitive. Let's see if this is the right choice, or a dreadfully wrong one.
 
Sorry this chapter's taken so long! I've been feeling... well, I don't really know how I've been feeling recently. Mixed up? That doesn't sound right, but I can't think of a word that does work. I am still making progress on the next chapter though, so don't worry! It'll just be a bit until I can get back in a productive spirit.
 
Lepidoptera said:
Sorry this chapter's taken so long! I've been feeling... well, I don't really know how I've been feeling recently. Mixed up? That doesn't sound right, but I can't think of a word that does work. I am still making progress on the next chapter though, so don't worry! It'll just be a bit until I can get back in a productive spirit.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Take your time! No need to rush. We'll be waiting!
 
There will be a Machine Learning update tomorrow, and then this story will be updating a few days after that. I again apologize for the wait and thank you for your patience sticking with me when I'm not keeping on schedule.
 
Lepidoptera said:
There will be a Machine Learning update tomorrow, and then this story will be updating a few days after that. I again apologize for the wait and thank you for your patience sticking with me when I'm not keeping on schedule.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Take your time! I'll always be waiting for everything you put out, but don't feel pressured to do anything, we'll understand.
 
Hmm. Something I just realized. I'm like aware that the Library can't help for obvious reasons- but couldn't we have brought Roland to like... come with us to help?

Like, the Librarians and Sephirah are obviously stuck inside- but Roland's still technically an outsider in the same sense as most of the other people invited in LOR, so couldn't we have theoretically brought him along as help?

I mean, the absolute catastrophe of a meeting between him and Argalia would've been something to witness, but I think that clown fiesta would've been worth it to have a second Color Fixer on our side.
 
Dantalion said:
Alas, not as of the start of LoR - Angela does not take kindly to uninvited guests. Had to give him a new everything after that, once she finally decided he could be of use.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Angela only really explicitly cleaved off most of his limbs in LOR, which means literally nothing in the City before she gave them to him back- and we canonically know that in the aftermath of the Roland Ending, he has to be able to walk out to get shanked as many times as he did in the aftermath so-

Y'know, don't really believe that.
 
The two biggest example supporting Roland being able to simply walk out.

1st, he was able to betray Angela at the climax without getting snapped by her.

The points against this however, is that the rest of the Librarians can also do that in Angela bad end.

2nd, and this is the main one.

Unlike everyone else in the Library, Roland didn't disappear alongside Angela when she died.

It's questionable how replicable that is however, as that was 100% Human Angela unlike the current Full Metal Angela.
 
questioningmeme said:
The two biggest example supporting Roland being able to simply walk out.

1st, he was able to betray Angela at the climax without getting snapped by her.

The points against this however, is that the rest of the Librarians can also do that in Angela bad end.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Actually in Angela's bad end she does kill him in a rather similar way, and even if she couldn't forcing him to be a book, she can simply kill him. That is part of the reason the the Head fight makes no sense unless you look at Angela gathering information. I mean there is no reason for Angela to being unable to just avoid the fight in the first place, and there is zero difference in making someone's head suddenly a few inches from their torso than teleporting somewhere in the library.
Also (a weak) point three, Angela and Roland were on the balcony of the Library in the ending which is questionably in the Library
As far as I understand it Roland is basically a guest that isn't allowed to leave by Angela's will, and because there is a body on some level unlike the Librarians he would be able to leave if Angela let him, theoretically any guest would be able to be like Roland, because their not actually dead and such. Technically Angela should be able to leave as well? Though her relationship with the Library is weird and apparently she's made out of light too, which is also kind of odd, I could have sworn the she was outside briefly before the Library was made which I'm possibly wrong about.

TLDR: If Angela lets him there is zero reason he can't leave, he's no different than say Philip, for the most part.
 
Shadowlord1003 said:
there is zero difference in making someone's head suddenly a few inches from their torso than teleporting somewhere in the library.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Maybe if you take the teleportation as something based in physics or conventional logic, but the Library doesn't work according to those rules. "Forcing people to take their starting positions for a Reception" is one of its regular functions, and so Angela can perform it in the Head Reception.

Abstract Ideas said:
Angela only really explicitly cleaved off most of his limbs in LOR, which means literally nothing in the City before she gave them to him back- and we canonically know that in the aftermath of the Roland Ending, he has to be able to walk out to get shanked as many times as he did in the aftermath so-
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
That was also after Roland experienced the most dramatic Synchronization with the Library that we've ever seen, and if that works like EGO manifestation/Distortion it might've repaired his body back to a neutral state. It would make sense, considering he goes through multiple transformations and is "killed" multiple times during that Reception.

As for Roland not being able to help, the justification I'm giving for that is that Angela just can't send him over. She can Invite people no matter where they are and then eject them to send them back, but she can't expel Roland like that since he isn't a Guest and even if she could she wouldn't be able to pick where he ends up.
 
Last edited:
Lepidoptera said:
Maybe if you take the teleportation as something based in physics or conventional logic, but the Library doesn't work according to those rules. "Forcing people to take their starting positions for a Reception" is one of its regular functions, and so Angela can perform it in the Head Reception.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

This is a good point however, very little if anything when Angela take Roland's limbs has any implications that she does it physically. Which in that circumstance means one of a few things like
1. That Angela is physically superior to Roland to the point that he could not defend himself in any meaningful way
2. That Angela can just remove limbs from people by unspecified ways
It's a running thing that the only reason (other than morals I guess) the guests to just die like Roland would have is for Light gathering and in full honestly there is fair amount of information that supports the fact that this kind of teleportation is a thing that can happen rather than against.
At any rate human (which in terms of "power" is quite possibly her at her weakest hilariously enough, depends on how much Light actually matters to her really) Angela can still fight all of the Sephirah and win. As far as I understand it they were properly alive, and thus she couldn't just book them (no more than anyone else anyway). Admittedly only two of the Sephirah are really combatants on a level that would matter in this situation.
My primary point is really that fighting Angela in the Library is like asking to die no matter who or what you are, and the Head reception only makes sense when you think of it at an angle of information gathering, because getting out of the City happens from the outside, and thus isn't going to be stopped and the Head literally can't kill Angela, or force a fight with her, even if logically speaking she would probably kick their ass.
 
Shadowlord1003 said:
This is a good point however, very little if anything when Angela take Roland's limbs has any implications that she does it physically. Which in that circumstance means one of a few things like
1. That Angela is physically superior to Roland to the point that he could not defend himself in any meaningful way
2. That Angela can just remove limbs from people by unspecified ways
It's a running thing that the only reason (other than morals I guess) the guests to just die like Roland would have is for Light gathering and in full honestly there is fair amount of information that supports the fact that this kind of teleportation is a thing that can happen rather than against.
At any rate human (which in terms of "power" is quite possibly her at her weakest hilariously enough, depends on how much Light actually matters to her really) Angela can still fight all of the Sephirah and win. As far as I understand it they were properly alive, and thus she couldn't just book them (no more than anyone else anyway). Admittedly only two of the Sephirah are really combatants on a level that would matter in this situation.
My primary point is really that fighting Angela in the Library is like asking to die no matter who or what you are, and the Head reception only makes sense when you think of it at an angle of information gathering, because getting out of the City happens from the outside, and thus isn't going to be stopped and the Head literally can't kill Angela, or force a fight with her, even if logically speaking she would probably kick their ass.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The Head only shows up after Angela's finished fully-distributing the Light. When the Library formed, she had the days' worth of Light that she had kept during the White Nights and Dark Days. By that point, the Library has been significantly weakened since it has no Light left in it. So she can only stall the Head and try and reactivate its functions long enough to survive.
 
Lepidoptera said:
The Head only shows up after Angela's finished fully-distributing the Light. When the Library formed, she had the days' worth of Light that she had kept during the White Nights and Dark Days. By that point, the Library has been significantly weakened since it has no Light left in it. So she can only stall the Head and try and reactivate its functions long enough to survive.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I wonder if Zena and Baral would be fucked if they fought the Library at full power.
 
chickenbouillon said:
I wonder if Zena and Baral would be fucked if they fought the Library at full power.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
100%

Full powered Library would've bodied the Head reception. Since Roland, BInah, and Gebura would all have their Abnormalities AND their minions.

The trio's fight was nearly enough to beat them. If we combine that with our souped-up nuggets and the Abnormalities, Zena and Baral would've been cooked.

Of course, they would've sent a stronger team to deal with us, but still.
 
I mean, I imagine they knew that one Claw Executioner and one Arbiter would not be enough for the fully powered Library. Even if they were not waiting to see what Angela does in the end, they would still have waited for her to be worn down by infighting to take her down.

Using enemies against each other before coming in with a steel chair is clearly not just a Garion-ism in that regard. It is the Head's entire MO.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top